Trump WAS the president

Sly

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I don't even like this electoral voting system. What the h*ll is this? 18th century? What is wrong with just counting people's votes and let the election be as democratic as possible? One thing they should change is this system IMO.
 

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I don't even like this electoral voting system. What the h*ll is this? 18th century? What is wrong with just counting people's votes and let the election be as democratic as possible? One thing they should change is this system IMO.
The electoral college and checks and balances is what makes the US the most fair and balanced Democracy in the world. It's designed to ensure all the states in the union have a say and contribute in their own way to the country. If it wasn't for the electoral college a liberal would be the president every election which will eventually lead to civil wars and succession issues with Republican states. The founding fathers knew this and that's why they created this system to make sure the union stays united. But Trump could ruin all of that with his childish tamper tantrum.
There are people who don't live in the United States and support Trump and they don't understand the inside and out of US politics to understand how much damage Trump is doing during this election to the integrity of the US election process/system. All they care about is how Trump deals with China or Iran. For those of us that live here this will have long term implication if this guy doesn't back off and just accept the results.
 
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Sly

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The electoral college and checks and balances is what makes the US the most fair and balanced Democracy in the world. It's designed to ensure all the states in the union have a say and contribute in their own way to the country. If it wasn't for the electoral college a liberal would be the president every election which will eventually lead to civil wars and succession issues with Republican states. The founding fathers knew this and that's why they created this system to make sure the union stays united. But Trump could ruin all of that with his childish tamper tantrum.
There are people who don't live in the United States and support Trump and they don't understand the inside and out of US politics to understand how much damage Trump is doing during this election to the integrity of the US election process. All they care about is how Trump deals with China or Iran. For those of us that live here this will have long term implication if this guy doesn't back off and just accept the results.
I'm sorry but the founding fathers lived in the 18th century. How is the democracy balanced if the majority of the people vote for a democratic candidate, yet a republican is elected? and why? Because otherwise the republican minority would get sad/angry?
 

maziar95

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I'm sorry but the founding fathers lived in the 18th century. How is the democracy balanced if the majority of the people vote for a democratic candidate, yet a republican is elected? and why? Because otherwise the republican minority would get sad/angry?
It's balanced because the United States has its fair share of Republican states and they deserve to be heard. The US is the most unique country in the world since each state is like its own country with its own laws and regulations so you can't have a popular vote system when electing the president for the United States , it just doesn't work. The popular vote system works for electing the governor of each state.
 

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The electoral college and checks and balances is what makes the US the most fair and balanced Democracy in the world. It's designed to ensure all the states in the union have a say and contribute in their own way to the country. If it wasn't for the electoral college a liberal would be the president every election which will eventually lead to civil wars and succession issues with Republican states. The founding fathers knew this and that's why they created this system to make sure the union stays united. But Trump could ruin all of that with his childish tamper tantrum.
There are people who don't live in the United States and support Trump and they don't understand the inside and out of US politics to understand how much damage Trump is doing during this election to the integrity of the US election process/system. All they care about is how Trump deals with China or Iran. For those of us that live here this will have long term implication if this guy doesn't back off and just accept the results.
Doesn't that mean that the law is not a full-proof and changes has to be made to make it better ?
 

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Doesn't that mean that the law is not a full-proof and changes has to be made to make it better ?
The hope is that the supreme court will protect the law of this country which they probably will. Trump is banking on the supreme court backing him since so many of the judges were picked by him and the Republicans control the supreme court but I don't think they will show any favoritism when it comes to protecting the law and order of this country.
 

ChaharMahal

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I don't even like this electoral voting system. What the h*ll is this? 18th century? What is wrong with just counting people's votes and let the election be as democratic as possible? One thing they should change is this system IMO.
It is nearly impossible to change the system. it requires a constitutional change which in some paths requires 2/3 of senate.
in some cases it requires 3/4 of states assemblies. it is basically impossible.

there has been discussions around state pacts affecting this issue instead of constitutional change. but there is a super slim chance of that as well.
 
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rahim

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ایرانی ها سومین کشور در دنیا که پیگیر انتخابات آمریکا هستند/ آمریکایی‌ها نهمین کشور

‏رتبه سرچ "انتخابات امریکا ۲۰۲۰" در کشورهای مختلف جهان به این صورت است که ایرانی‌ها رتبه ۳ قرار دارند و در خود امریکا هم رتبه ۹ قرار دارد.
 

ChaharMahal

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‏رتبه سرچ "انتخابات امریکا ۲۰۲۰" در کشورهای مختلف جهان به این صورت است که ایرانی‌ها رتبه ۳ قرار دارند و در خود امریکا هم رتبه ۹ قرار دارد.
Somebody needs to tamp down their expectations.

Even if iran decides to negotiate with Biden, they will negotiate for months (starting jan 20th) about negotiations.

Biden won't have a secretary of state for quite a while. so realistically you are looking at maybe beginning of next summer .

But then Khamenie might say oh let the next iranian administration handle the negotiations.

we are looking at august.

and then Biden will have significant demands that IRI might not be comfortable with. given that OBama and Trump good cop bad cop F**ked them last time.

People are way too optimistic about things.
 

ChaharMahal

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Khodayish che haali mide!!! Biden on track to finish 306 !!! destroying Orange !!! My faith in Americans is restored!!! Thank you for voting this moron out.
This was hardly a repudiation of him. 45% of the country will believe whatever he says.
 
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the jrs are mad at their 'fellow' republicans for not
standing up for their daddy in his day of need.
i hope they have enough conviction to continue in their
father's path and end the corrupt and outdated 2 party
dictatorship in american politcs.

Don Jr. and Eric Trump savaged leading Republicans for not defending their father, and got an immediate response

President Donald Trump's older sons, Eric and Donald Jr., slammed top Republicans on Twitter on Thursday, accusing them of not sufficiently defending their father as election results come in.
Donald Jr. accused "2024 GOP hopefuls" of a "total lack of action," while Eric suggested that those who did not stand up for Trump were "sheep." In response, several top Republicans appear to have stepped up to support the president.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/don-jr-eric-trump-savaged-121518072.html
 

rahim

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Looking at the election results beyond presidential, in a way it was an eye opener for both parties.
Perhaps it can be said a defeat for democrats and arrays of confusion for republicans.
Both parties could be in turmoil on how they want to move forward.
Democrats won the presidential elections by 5 million but that came with a big outside help, Donald Trump himself.

In many areas that congressional seats and senatorial positions were in contention, voters Particularly conservative suburbanites that had voted for Biden out of disgust for Donald, continued voting for their republican candidate.
Failure of Democrats to attract them, but also posing a question for republicans that had been afraid of Donald in the previous elections and opportunistically or with conviction We’re attaching themselves to him. Some are asking themselves, do we really need him as the glue and anchor of the party?
Some of republicans senators got upwards of more than 10 percent votes in their states than Donald did!
Chaotic days ahead of both establishment parties.
 

rahim

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This is hilarious, or sad???

Mary Spicuzza and Bruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Fri, November 6, 2020, 9:04 AM PST
President Donald Trump's campaign in Wisconsin has desperately sought volunteers to call Pennsylvanians and urge them to mail in absentee ballots by Friday, which is after the Keystone State's deadline – even as the president himself rails against late votes and the ongoing vote count.

Only votes cast by Nov. 3 are legal according to Pennsylvania and federal election laws. Trump himself has described any effort to vote after Tuesday as clear election fraud.
 

Sly

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Somebody needs to tamp down their expectations.

Even if iran decides to negotiate with Biden, they will negotiate for months (starting jan 20th) about negotiations.

Biden won't have a secretary of state for quite a while. so realistically you are looking at maybe beginning of next summer .

But then Khamenie might say oh let the next iranian administration handle the negotiations.

we are looking at august.

and then Biden will have significant demands that IRI might not be comfortable with. given that OBama and Trump good cop bad cop F**ked them last time.

People are way too optimistic about things.
That's the worst case scenario that you are bringing up though.

Anyways, I doubt Biden will have other demands than it was already set in the JCPOA. After all he was the vice president in the administration who set it. So I doubt there will be further negotiations about that.
 

ChaharMahal

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That's the worst case scenario that you are bringing up though.

Anyways, I doubt Biden will have other demands than it was already set in the JCPOA. After all he was the vice president in the administration who set it. So I doubt there will be further negotiations about that.

you are naive my friend. the JCPOA was royal a$$ f**K for IRI. everything IRI needed to do was frontloaded. and everything the international community needed to do was backloaded. IRI has no leverage. even in times of Obama. Obama signed that law which black listed iran. then refused to ease international banks and insurance companies fears about doing busienss with Iran. you bet you Biden is gone come and put new demands on the table.