Dear PN
A very interesting Irony - You are in the same position today as I was (and still am) with the war against terrorism. You are obviousl and (Thank God) part of the "you're either with us or against us" crowd now - this time on the war against IRI. I hope I am right.
Also - please don't let deceptions fool you - his mission is simple - to divert or disheartern the Green.
As for Zeerak - How bad were the Nazis? Or were they bad at all?
Agha Masoud,
My reference to the “you’re either with us or against us crowd” was meant as a derogatory reference to the reactionary policies of George W Bush and his neoconservative cohorts. This was a reference to how it is said Mr. Goering, Hitler’s propaganda minister, believed the masses could be dragged along into mobilizing even the worst fascist leaning ideologies and the subsequent wars.
Hence, I have never been a believer in that school of thought nor would I be any time soon.
In fact, if one pays attention, it is now the IRI thugs who are employing this very same tactic in Iran; the American ideologues are, for the time being, out of fashion. This is why we see all sides tying themselves into knots to prove that THEY are the true bearers of the torch of the cursed Khomeini and it’s the other guys who are leading the Islamic Revolution astray: i.e. clear reference to “you’re either with us or against us,” the “us” being the ideals of the Islamic Revolution.
This is also one big reason why all along I opposed any military attack on Iran. Other than the obvious destruction of Iran, then the “you’re either with us or against us” crowd would have the very excuse they need to crack down on ANY opposition in the name of national security, much more violently than we are seeing now, and with the excuse that the folks opposing them are fifth column enemy agents; Kinda like what Hitler did to his opposition using the burning of the Reichstag as his excuse and BushCo tried to do to their opposition using 9/11 as theirs.
zeerak said:
Dear PN,
I have added some reference markers to your points above:
(i) This is appearing to you as a sudden urge since, it appears, you have not (yet!?) viewed the clips. While not disconnected to the "you're either with us or against us" crowd, the material in the clips cover a very wide range of historical and planned episodes. The "crowd's" masters are in the twighlight zone, "invisible", progressing with their NWO agenda. When the time comes (Masonic symbolism and order....), the planned event will happen.
(ii) What has recently happened in the great land is part of the evolution of the 1979 revolution. The outcome of the stepwise progression depends on the stepwise resultant of the forces. If the "Greens" had the upper hand they would have prevailed. The way forward, I believe, is that as time goes on the younger generation will feed and grow the rise for the next mardomee revolution and with the right level of forces. At the same time the above rising tide is going to perhaps be limited to have room to grow considering the world wide tightenning of freedom and civil liberties in coming years under NWO. You already see a clear change in nature and level of militarism (and mass control) in the great land similar to what has been happening in the sidelines in other parts of the world.
So, I think, talking about the related topics to NWO and how that may directly or indirectly affect the progress in our keshvar is a fundamental matter not to be overlooked. It may appear to be a "diversion" to some who appear to be in a box (not meaning you) for the last 30 years or so.
Agha Zeerak,
While I have never had any exchanges with you, it seems the popular opinion on this site leans towards seeing you as one who is trying to divert attention from the crimes of the Islamic Republic to someone else’s crimes, what say you? Are you trying to divert attention? If so, why? Do you not care about the innocents who have been raped and killed, wanting nothing more than their god given rights as citizens of Iran?
In regards to your point (i), no I have not had time to see the clips, but have read enough non-conspiratorial books (e.g. Clarke’s Against All Enemies, Wilson’s The Plitics of Truth, etc.) as well as conspiratorial peices, such as Zeitgeist to surmise where the clips might go. Still, I will check them out as soon as I get a chance.
An evolution is a peaceful progression of events. Whereas the recent political events in Iran might have been a peaceful, as it turned out, they are not. The reactionary thugs made sure that it would become revolutionary instead. Whereas I agree that IF in fact there’s such a concerted, omnipresent world wide conspiracy to control the world then it will also affect Iran and Iranians, I disagree that we have to first deal with such a menace before we can deal with the cancer that is the Mullah menace. And, that goes to the heart of your last point, the Greens DO have the upper hand, they are simply dealing with brutal, subhuman thugs who’re willing to do anything to further their miserable choke hold on Iran for a few more months.
Mark my words, the “mardomee” movement you’re referring to is here and will bear fruit much sooner than you can imagine! We can worry about the NWO menace after we are done with the Mullah menace!
