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    Are Iranians really ready for Democracy? I don't think so.

    You do have a valid point, in that respect begets respect. There must be respect by the minority for the right of the majority to run the affairs of a state and respect by the majority for certain basic rights for the minority. The contours of the latter are not ones that can be drawn out...
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    Are Iranians really ready for Democracy? I don't think so.

    You do have a valid point, in that respect begets respect. There must be respect by the minority for the right of the majority to run the affairs of a state and respect by the majority for certain basic rights for the minority. The contours of the latter are not ones that can be drawn out...
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    I guess Rafsanjani was not so powerfull after all

    If I believed Ahmadinejad was himself really the extreme right of IRI, then I might feel the way you do. Even though, in general, I believe two things go hand in hand: the minority respecting the choice of the majority as far as who is to lead a nation, while the majority respecting some basic...
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    I guess Rafsanjani was not so powerfull after all

    What brought tears in my eyes was what I mentioned, which is not what you understood. I saw the faces of the troops being to the streets, and know the faces of the people who they might be confronting. And I hate the fact that we are where we have been taken. Where my countrymen may be put...
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    I guess Rafsanjani was not so powerfull after all

    1- I don't agree there was any "coup", but rather the reverse: there is an attempt underway to instigate such a coup.:) 2- The top commanders of the Sepah follow the directives of the Supreme Leader, who appoints them to their posts and serves as commander in chief of the armed forces. In...
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    I guess Rafsanjani was not so powerfull after all

    There are corrupt elements within the Sepah. I mentioned that Ahmadinejad is popular among the "less corrupt elements" in that organization. The Sepah "corruption", however, takes two different forms. One is personal corruption, which exists and those in that category are not going to be...
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    I guess Rafsanjani was not so powerfull after all

    esamani, Have no doubt about it: Rafsanjani is still (albeit depending on the outcome of this power struggle) a very powerful figure in Iran. Indeed, his power exceeds that of Ahmadinejad within the government bucreaucy. Most of the mid to upper management in the government are staunchly...
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    Poll predicted victory for Ahmadinejad

    Iranpaak jan, The important thing, in terms of accessing how people might vote, is not whether they are right or wrong in their beliefs. But that they do hold such beliefs in the first place. As for your question about whether Iranians are better off now or 4 years ago, let me just...
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    Poll predicted victory for Ahmadinejad

    Iranpaak jan, Emotions are running high here on ISP, while there have always been a sizable number of people who have never been interested in reasoned argument anyway. In this atmosphere, it does become difficult to carry on a civil discussion, even with people who I respect a lot. Such as...
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    Best outcome of the current events

    All the likely outcomes will be quite bad. The most likely outcome is that we will have a much closed society and we won't see the kind of election campaign we saw this time. That we will some repression again, something that belonged much more to IRI's past under the same figures now carrying...
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    Poll predicted victory for Ahmadinejad

    The editorial comments by a group that is on record as opposing the regime, and quite enjoying seeing the country go against one another, is less telling than an objective assessment of the numbers from their own poll. With regard to the 60% of the "undecided" being pro-reform, lets just...
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    Poll predicted victory for Ahmadinejad

    Based on the official results, Mousavi won the vote in Tehran proper, getting 2.1 million of the vote compared to Ahmadinejad won got 1.8 million. Mousavi also won W. Azerbaijan, as well as Sisan & Baluchistan, and came close in some other provinces.
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    ALL Updates on today's historic march here!!

    I like the proposition tested, by the best means available to test these things, namely a scientific poll of the population to see who they voted for in the elections. Many of you don't. Fair enough. Each side can instead take to streets and have the issue decided that way! I don't mind...
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    ALL Updates on today's historic march here!!

    Which part of my comments are hypocritical? The part where I suggest that I believe Ahmadinejad has more supporters than Mousavi? We can test that proposition, and if you don't accept the election results as the real test, then endorse a genuine scientific poll to determine the facts...
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    ALL Updates on today's historic march here!!

    Talk about "self-deception"! I am the only one that I see advocating a scientific poll from internationally respected polling institutions to determine the facts.
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    ALL Updates on today's historic march here!!

    You can yell has hard as you wish and try to create a society based on who yells loudest. (Your side would lose that contest anyway, as you will discover soon enough). But I like to see a society based on different criteria: where all of our people's votes (not just the 13+ million for Mousavi)...
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    ALL Updates on today's historic march here!!

    Mousavi's comments show that he realizes he lost the vote count, regardless of what he publicly says to the crowds who want to hear something else. The gist of these complaint is that the vote was supposedly not "fair" and the other side took actions which were inappropriate. The irony of it...
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    ALL Updates on today's historic march here!!

    These tactics only convince the converted. Otherwise, when someone has 13+ million votes, organizing demonstrations by tens of thousands even if the demonstrations are nationwide, doesn't prove anything. These demonstrations could be positive, if they were not being fueled by people who are...
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    ALL Updates on today's historic march here!!

    The official results show Mousavi with more than 13 million votes, winning among other places the vote count in Tehran. The fact that he had millions who voted for him is not in dispute. The real issue is who won the election and got the most votes? There are different ways to find the right...
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    Mousavi not accepting defeat it seems!

    1- The IRNA report was not a tally of votes, but a projection. The same as what reformers were doing, but in the context of Iran which does not have exist polls etc, I endorse neither side jumping the gun. Even if one side had a better view of the voting trend and could make a more educated...