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    it's amusing that Persian culture is used as her excuse because nothing could be more misrepresenting of Iranian/Persian culture or history.

    Historically nudity and nudism has been a part of Western "art" (including sculpture) and culture while it has never or rarely been part of the Persian/Iranian culture or art. There are perhaps many reasons for this but one of the main reasons has had to do with the philosophical and cultural differences of the two people and cultures.

    Whereas Humanism (i.e. the belief that ultimate truth and morality is to be sought in humans and thus rejecting the validity of transcendental justifications, such as a dependence on God or texts of allegedly divine origin) is a Western idea and philosophy the counter belief of Theism has been a core and fundamental part and mostly creation of the Eastern (including Persian) civilizations and cultures.

    That is why in Western history of art and culture one sees numerous instances of nude human sculptures and painting (and more recently photos and movies). Because the center of their culture revolves around materialism and the belief that Humans are the ultimate authority on truth and morality and thus the "worship" or celebrating the human body has been an accepted part of that culture.

    Eastern cultures in general and Persian culture in particular as original sources of Theism and especially monotheism have historically believed in a "supernatural", non-human and divine being (named God) as the ultimate source of truth, guidance, and divine texts as the source of morality. That is why in Persian art and sculpture almost all figures of humans are dressed and never in nude and almost always merely as carving on the walls instead of full sculpture as a sign of respect and humility in face of a greater being named God.

    Thus for an Iranian to come and pose nude in order to supposedly show a real Persian culture is laughable at best.







    note from from the following that the Persians were certainly fully capable of creating full figured sculptures but did not do so of that of a nude human:



    contrast the Persian sculptures to that of the Greeks and Romans of the time:




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    jende baazi has never been a part of the persian iranian or moslim culture. iranians have always prided themselves on GHEYRAT and mardoonegi... not jendegari.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post
    Well, At least I try to find out why greate scientists come from the other part
    of the world.
    In Iran we beat these people to death in west they are free. Still more developed.
    Do you have another explanation?
    Scientists come for other part of the world not because they had access to free sex dude!
    There are other reasons for that such as modernization, welfare of western states ( which happened because of colonization), breaking away from church and do independent scientific research etc..
    But it has nothing to do with free sex. There has actually never been free sex society in modern time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post
    No who said that? It can becomes "shal". It becomes "cholagh".
    Blive it or not free sex gives mental relaxation. Don't you think Edison,Eishtein,...
    have had free sex? How many mullah do you know that has discovered something?
    This is the conclussion:
    In free society people are more creative.
    ادم جه جوكهايي اينجا ميشنود يعني هر كه سكس بيشتر داشته باشه اكتشافات مهم تري ميكنه؟ حتما اينشتبن فيلم سكس بازي ميكرده يا خروس الان بايد تبديل شده باشه به بروفسور حيوانات يا مثلا هنربيشه هاي فيلم هاي سكسي را بكنن استاد دانشكاه

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    Quote Originally Posted by AliMR View Post
    jende baazi has never been a part of the persian iranian or moslim culture. iranians have always prided themselves on GHEYRAT and mardoonegi... not jendegari.
    Oh ya, What do you call this?
    خيام ا گر ز باده مستي خوش باش
    با ماه روخي اگر نشستي خوش باش
    چون عاغبته كار جهان نيستي است
    انگار كه نيستي چو هستي خوش باش

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    Our country is raped day-in/day-out and you guys are concerned about an Iranian girl posing naked on a no-name Spanish magazine, or for that sake Playboy?

    Gheyrat? It is nothing more than an empty word, just like Patriotism, flag waving and the ever-so-popular sloganism that we hear on a non-stop basis since the start of this so-called revolution.

    If Iranians had gheyrat, they wouldn't let their country be ruled with bunch of assholes who have no business in running a government, who have no qualifications other than reading a book over and over again for their entire misreable existence, who have no other interest than raping the poor and stealing the wealth of a nation, who have no conscious in ordering torture and execution of their own and who won't hesitate to prostitute a whole nation for a fistfull of dollars.

    Our girls are selling their bodies in the Arab world and yet we are concerned with a girl who poses naked on a cover of a magazine? Talking about hollow slogans and bull sh*t masochism. Let's wake up and smell the roses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by member of day View Post
    ادم جه جوكهايي اينجا ميشنود يعني هر كه سكس بيشتر داشته باشه اكتشافات مهم تري ميكنه؟ حتما اينشتبن فيلم سكس بازي ميكرده يا خروس الان بايد تبديل شده باشه به بروفسور حيوانات يا مثلا هنربيشه هاي فيلم هاي سكسي را بكنن استاد دانشكاه
    I am saying
    "In free society people are more creative"
    I am not saying you should have as much sex as possible. It is the concept of being
    free that matters. It is freedom that enables you to be creative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajrish View Post
    Our country is raped day-in/day-out and you guys are concerned about an Iranian girl posing naked on a no-name Spanish magazine, or for that sake Playboy?

    Gheyrat? It is nothing more than an empty word, just like Patriotism, flag waving and the ever-so-popular sloganism that we hear on a non-stop basis since the start of this so-called revolution.

    If Iranians had gheyrat, they wouldn't let their country be ruled with bunch of assholes who have no business in running a government, who have no qualifications other than reading a book over and over again for their entire misreable existence, who have no other interest than raping the poor and stealing the wealth of a nation, who have no conscious in ordering torture and execution of their own and who won't hesitate to prostitute a whole nation for a fistfull of dollars.

    Our girls are selling their bodies in the Arab world and yet we are concerned with a girl who poses naked on a cover of a magazine? Talking about hollow slogans and bull sh*t masochism. Let's wake up and smell the roses.
    به ايران هر روز تجاوز ميشه
    ايران بوسيله يك مشت ادم نامرد اداره ميشه
    بول مردم فقيرو ملت را ميدزدند
    دختران ما را به عربها ميفروشند
    همه خواب هستند
    منظورت جيست؟
    تو ما رو ك.. خل ميدوني يا خودت ك.. خلي؟
    اين حرفها جيه ميزني جرت و برت ميكي اين حرفا مال سال هزار و سيصدو صفره اومدي فكر ميكني همه مثل خودت خوابن دخترا رو ميفروشن
    به ايران تجاوز ميكنن ك. خلي هم حدي داره
    كورش
    اريايي
    عربها
    ملت فقير
    مي دزدند
    تجاوز به دختران
    تجاوز به فقيران
    بلند شويد و تاير ماشين ها را بنجر كنيد
    توي قفل دكانها جسب بريزيد
    تخت جمشيد را اب برد
    هخامنش
    بهرام كور
    نادر شاه
    هخا مي ايد
    رضا شاه ميرسد
    امريكا ناوكان اورده حمله كند
    تاريخ
    جغرافيا
    دوباره ميسازمت وطن
    اي ابر مرد مشرقي
    كمهشس
    بينيية ن ي
    ني ثةول
    ا يناي لث ث
    ثطنلاث نا




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    Quote Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post
    I am saying
    "In free society people are more creative"
    I am not saying you should have as much sex as possible. It is the concept of being
    free that matters. It is freedom that enables you to be creative.
    حالا اين يه حرفي اقلا ميشه در موردش جر و بحث كرد

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    Quote Originally Posted by member of day View Post
    به ايران هر روز تجاوز ميشه
    ايران بوسيله يك مشت ادم نامرد اداره ميشه
    بول مردم فقيرو ملت را ميدزدند
    دختران ما را به عربها ميفروشند
    همه خواب هستند
    منظورت جيست؟
    تو ما رو ك.. خل ميدوني يا خودت ك.. خلي؟
    اين حرفها جيه ميزني جرت و برت ميكي اين حرفا مال سال هزار و سيصدو صفره اومدي فكر ميكني همه مثل خودت خوابن دخترا رو ميفروشن
    به ايران تجاوز ميكنن ك. خلي هم حدي داره
    كورش
    اريايي
    عربها
    ملت فقير
    مي دزدند
    تجاوز به دختران
    تجاوز به فقيران
    بلند شويد و تاير ماشين ها را بنجر كنيد
    توي قفل دكانها جسب بريزيد
    تخت جمشيد را اب برد
    هخامنش
    بهرام كور
    نادر شاه
    هخا مي ايد
    رضا شاه ميرسد
    امريكا ناوكان اورده حمله كند
    تاريخ
    جغرافيا
    دوباره ميسازمت وطن
    اي ابر مرد مشرقي
    كمهشس
    بينيية ن ي
    ني ثةول
    ا يناي لث ث
    ثطنلاث نا


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    Quote Originally Posted by member of day View Post
    حالا اين يه حرفي اقلا ميشه در موردش جر و بحث كرد
    That is all I am saying. We(in Iran) punish people who have sex. In west gays are
    also free.
    This the complet post that everyone is discussing about
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    Originally Posted by DireStraits
    No who said that? It can becomes "shal". It becomes "cholagh".
    Blive it or not free sex gives mental relaxation. Don't you think Edison,Eishtein,...
    have had free sex? How many mullah do you know that has discovered something?
    This is the conclussion:
    In free society people are more creative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by footballeirani View Post
    There would not be controversy on her pictures as long as she left the Iranian culture bs out of it.

    You just have to leave culture and ideals out of this business.
    But that's the point. She can do that if she wants in a free society. It's not upto you or I to tell her what 'Iranian culture' is really about. The fact that you have the right to disagree is another part of individual freedom. However, you cannot cage her with your beliefs, that would be the exact opposite of a free society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eshghi View Post
    While no one is going to arrest you either for farting in a meeting at work or belching loudly at the dinner table, you'd only be an idiot for doing so because those actions, while within your "rights", are offensive to most others. She can pose nude. That is HER right. When she claims that this is the "Iranian culture", however, even if within her "rights", she is offending millions of women in Iran most of whom would vomit at that suggestion. This is HER culture. It's HER personal preference. It's HER! And that's fine and dandy. More power to her. She has no right, however, to project her own preferences as those of a few millions others. That's just dumb!
    Yes she does. That is the whole point to freedom of speech. To be able to say things most people won't like. She has every right to say it, but is she right (in terms of right and wrong) in doing it? You can have whatever opinion you want, and that in itself is a freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliMR View Post
    YES YES...
    but why would you be upset if your mother or sister does something if this act is ok?? you must know, in your heart of hearts that this is not a desireable act and there is something wrong. otherwise you would not have a problem with your mother, sister or your daughter posing naked for others view.
    However you feel about it is absolutely irrelevant. It is her right. Go cry about it if it's your mother of your sister. Would you rather we stone her to death to set an example? Would you rather we made a law restricting people from doing it?
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    Here the link again. Please have a look at this. It is about sexism in the sport:

    http://www.tv3.co.nz/VideoBrowseAll/...ult.aspx#video

 

 

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