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    THIS..... this one is a good reading, spot on!

    Welcome to Tehran International Airport.

    Could Iran Become the Next Dubai, an Aviation Superpower?
    While the country was an international pariah, an Arab state saw and seized a prize that could have been theirs for the taking: crossroads of international aviation.
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    For Dubai itself the airport and its airline have been rainmakers—bringing in nearly $27 billion a year, representing 27 percent of the GDP.
    Looking at this, the Iranians can only dream “what if?” If they had not become international pariahs, could Tehran have been to airline routes what Dubai now is?
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    Moreover, Tehran had always been an optimal location on the air routes linking Europe, the Middle East and Asia. On Pan Am’s route maps from the first post-war expansion of air travel the favored cities, because they aligned with the most efficient network were London, Frankfurt, Rome, Istanbul, Tehran, Delhi, Bangkok, Hong Kong and Tokyo.

    It is not late for that, I truly hope these towelheads just take it easy and not start climbing another embassy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by maziar95 View Post
    I wont believe all these report until I see one new Airbus or Boeing in Iran but if these report do come out to be true and Iran does buy a lot of new planes then you wont see me complaining. We've complained for years about Iran not having new planes so if it does actually happen we should just be happy that they actually spent money to make ordinary citizens lives better. But besides new planes Iran desperately needs a good airport to compete.
    The era spending money on National Carriers is over. it was over in the 80s when the U.S deregulated the entire industry.

    if you are country. your priority should be building better Airports and facilities and remove restrictions (Hejab) and private carriers domestic or foreign will come in.

    The issue is not whether Iran needs to replace those old 70s boeings or the 80s Airbuses or MDs or the fokers.

    The issue is to compete where you have a competitive advantage (with Market prices).

    Iranian Airlines because lack of restrictions (Hejab, VISA, alcohol, political uncertainty,facilities, not part of CodeShares, CreditCard Processing.) won't be able to complete in the international long-haul or medium haul market.

    so in my view. It is wiser to buy small planes that can serve all of iran. wouldn't a Shirazi want a flight from Shiraz to Amol or Rasht
    on a small 50 man or 100 plane. instead of flying to Tehran and then from there getting somewhere.

    unfortunately the IranAir, Mahan. all still think in really old ways. the new game in town is direct flights on small planes to anywhere.
    “It is better to be roughly right than precisely wrong”


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    or just invest in camels for it's great fuel economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaharMahal View Post
    The era spending money on National Carriers is over. it was over in the 80s when the U.S deregulated the entire industry.

    if you are country. your priority should be building better Airports and facilities and remove restrictions (Hejab) and private carriers domestic or foreign will come in.

    The issue is not whether Iran needs to replace those old 70s boeings or the 80s Airbuses or MDs or the fokers.

    The issue is to compete where you have a competitive advantage (with Market prices).

    Iranian Airlines because lack of restrictions (Hejab, VISA, alcohol, political uncertainty,facilities, not part of CodeShares, CreditCard Processing.) won't be able to complete in the international long-haul or medium haul market.

    so in my view. It is wiser to buy small planes that can serve all of iran. wouldn't a Shirazi want a flight from Shiraz to Amol or Rasht
    on a small 50 man or 100 plane. instead of flying to Tehran and then from there getting somewhere.

    unfortunately the IranAir, Mahan. all still think in really old ways. the new game in town is direct flights on small planes to anywhere.
    According to these report they are also buying bunch of regional planes but like I said we have to wait and see if these planes end up in Iran. You are right about some of those restrictions but I honestly don’t think alcohol would be an issue, I drink but I wouldn’t consider having access to alcohol a major factor when purchasing a plane ticket. They do need to upgrade their facilities , join alliances with other airlines and more. Another factor is that these new planes are going to have entertainment consoles , what are they doing to show ? Iranian movies? Western movies that are censored?
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    I read in BBC persian, that no Boeing or Airbus authority have confirmed this. In fact, it takes years to build the planes and you have to order them in advance. No official contract between Iran and these companies.

    Most probably, Iran is going to lease the planes from another airline, which means they won't be brand new planes.

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    Now, even Bombardier eyeing significant opportunities in Iran as Canadian new lefty government starting to show THE big smiles to towelheads.
    Bombardier, the Montreal-based manufacturer of planes and trains, is exploring how to get in on that market, despite facing challenges that confront all Canadian businesses looking to deal in Iran.

    The Bombardier C-Series are twin-engine, medium-range jet airliners currently under development by Canadian manufacturer Bombardier Aerospace.
    The C-Series models are the 110-seat CS100 and the 135-seat CS300.

    As known before, the Bombardier Transportation Signal has been involved in Tehran Metro through chinese CRCC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaharMahal View Post
    Yet another stupid investment by the Iranian Government.

    so long as these Visa Issues Remain, alcohol issue remains; Iran is not gonna be competitive in long haul or medium haul game.
    so why waste the country's money on it.

    but even if it was. we are well past the era of flag carrier Era.

    What Iran needs is whole bunch of short range planes for serving the needs of the country internally. not a whole of of A320 or A320 neos.
    What a ridiculous argument. People who use IranAir to travel deserve to feel safe. Secondly, how do you know this is not part of a grander plan to change things? You can not lift visa issues alone without providing other attractive means. I have heard that one mission of Sepah is to turn IKA into a major transit hub and looking at the constructions around the airport I don't think they are being built for show.

    Anyway, all air fleet need upgrading from time to time and Iran's has not been upgraded for many many years.
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    By the way, the era of flag carrying airlines is not over by a stretch. You only need to look at the investments made by the likes of British Airways, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Emirates, Qatar, Malaysian Airlines, and many more to realise this. Many people still prefer to travel with mainstream major airlines than budget airlines.
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    The Latest: Iran signs deal to buy 118 Airbus plans. More than 300 are expected to be signed.

    I do not like the way they keep Boeing out of this!

    PARIS — The Latest on Iranian President Hassan Rouhani's visit to Europe (all times local):

    5:45 p.m.
    Iran Air has signed a deal to buy 118 aircraft from Airbus in the first of an expected host of commercial deals expected to be announced during the visit of Iranian President Hassan Rouhani to Paris.
    Rouhani and French President Francois Hollande are expected to oversee the signing of about 20 bilateral agreements.
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    3:55 p.m.
    The Iranian president is meeting with his French counterpart at the Elysee palace.
    Hassan Rouhani, smiling, walked across the Elysee courtyard in front of the Republican Guards to be formally welcomed by Francois Hollande.
    The two heads of state are to discuss Iran's role in peacemaking in the region, notably in Syria and Yemen, as well as other issues.
    The meeting is scheduled to last for about two hours. Then Rouhani and Hollande are expected to oversee the signing of about 20 bilateral agreements.
    They will give a joint news conference following their meeting.
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    nobody else is buying A380s.
    but some genius in Iran decided that we need A380s probably to fly to Beijing or LA. or Canada.


    this is while the only airport in Iran that has even tested A380 (one landing) is the Emam Airport.
    apparently the second runway is not operational yet.

    There is no metro connectivity to southern Tehran (or MehrAbad).

    There are still no connection flights say form Mashahd to Emam AirPort or shiraz or Ahavaz.
    Talk about misplaced priorities.


    one thing in common between Shah government and IRI government is bailing out western companies with sweet heart deal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Behrooz_C View Post
    What a ridiculous argument. People who use IranAir to travel deserve to feel safe. Secondly, how do you know this is not part of a grander plan to change things? You can not lift visa issues alone without providing other attractive means. I have heard that one mission of Sepah is to turn IKA into a major transit hub and looking at the constructions around the airport I don't think they are being built for show.

    Anyway, all air fleet need upgrading from time to time and Iran's has not been upgraded for many many years.
    What you don't understand is running an airline is a very intense business.

    the very emirates you mentioned is run a by a British guy that does not allow his planes to idle a single day (or even few hours)
    have you ever seen how emriates flies into SFO or IAH or IAD. and then two hours laters it is on its back to Dubai.

    IranAir will not be running its planes like that. But even if it did. It will not be charging market prices. it will be in essence subsidizing
    the life style of upper middle class iranians. that's while people in Abadan still do not have a Centralized Waste Water System.

    I rather any Iranian government to spend money rail infrastructure.
    spend it on a better electric grid.
    spent on a proper highway connecting Bandar Abbas all the way to Tehran or Mashahd.
    Spend money on a proper highway connecting Ahvaz to Kurdistand and then to Tabriz and Astara.
    A Proper highway to From Chahabahr to Mashhad.

    than planes with cheap tickets for a bunch of brats to fly to Antalyia or Thialand.
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    What you don't understand is running an airline is a very intense business.
    lol not as long as you running it in Iran, fella you obviously need to learn one or two!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaharMahal View Post
    What you don't understand is running an airline is a very intense business.

    the very emirates you mentioned is run a by a British guy that does not allow his planes to idle a single day (or even few hours)
    have you ever seen how emriates flies into SFO or IAH or IAD. and then two hours laters it is on its back to Dubai.

    IranAir will not be running its planes like that. But even if it did. It will not be charging market prices. it will be in essence subsidizing
    the life style of upper middle class iranians. that's while people in Abadan still do not have a Centralized Waste Water System.

    I rather any Iranian government to spend money rail infrastructure.
    spend it on a better electric grid.
    spent on a proper highway connecting Bandar Abbas all the way to Tehran or Mashahd.
    Spend money on a proper highway connecting Ahvaz to Kurdistand and then to Tabriz and Astara.
    A Proper highway to From Chahabahr to Mashhad.

    than planes with cheap tickets for a bunch of brats to fly to Antalyia or Thialand.
    All that is valid. But for god's sake, the Iranian regime doesn't do this kind of thing for profit. Iran Air is heavily subsidised by the government because it does not make a profit. You are comparing Iranian government run business with a properly run private business which the wrong comparison. Making a profit is not in their mind and they will subsidise the operations of these airlines from oil money.

    The issue is some of the current planes are so old that many countries would not allow them in their air space. Look what happened to the Mahan flight that was landing at Birmingham airport in the UK. Mahan was banned from UK airspace after that and has not been allowed back in since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Behrooz_C View Post
    All that is valid. But for god's sake, the Iranian regime doesn't do this kind of thing for profit. Iran Air is heavily subsidised by the government because it does not make a profit. You are comparing Iranian government run business with a properly run private business which the wrong comparison. Making a profit is not in their mind and they will subsidise the operations of these airlines from oil money.
    It is precisely my point to challenge the view in Iranian affluent society
    that spending so much money on buying planes is a good idea.

    It is policy that benefits very few in the society. a Government not Just IRI, not just Shah, any government's
    first priority should not subsidizing the lifestyle of a country upper percentiles who can afford to fly to foreign places.

    unfortunately In Iran. Whether we are talking about Shah's Era or IRI era. anytime the government does something
    that only benefits the upper percentiles. nobody challenges it.
    “It is better to be roughly right than precisely wrong”


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaharMahal View Post
    It is precisely my point to challenge the view in Iranian affluent society
    that spending so much money on buying planes is a good idea.

    It is policy that benefits very few in the society. a Government not Just IRI, not just Shah, any government's
    first priority should not subsidizing the lifestyle of a country upper percentiles who can afford to fly to foreign places.

    unfortunately In Iran. Whether we are talking about Shah's Era or IRI era. anytime the government does something
    that only benefits the upper percentiles. nobody challenges it.
    What you said is true but Iran is not the only country with this problem. Some would argue that the upper class or 1% in the US receive benefits that the rest do not. Of course it is not as bad as Iran or some other countries like Iran. Sadly both governments had this problem cater to the upper echelon of society and good luck to everybody else. There is some of that in the USA but it is not nearly as bad as Iran or other countries as bad.

 

 

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