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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaharMahal View Post
    nobody else is buying A380s.
    but some genius in Iran decided that we need A380s probably to fly to Beijing or LA. or Canada.


    this is while the only airport in Iran that has even tested A380 (one landing) is the Emam Airport.
    apparently the second runway is not operational yet.

    There is no metro connectivity to southern Tehran (or MehrAbad).

    There are still no connection flights say form Mashahd to Emam AirPort or shiraz or Ahavaz.
    Talk about misplaced priorities.


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    Renewing 40 year old aircrafts must be and is a priority ,millions of Iranians live abroad and millions in Iran travel by air every year ,surely their safety is a priority and urgency .

    I should think A380 flying from LA or Toronto to Tehran will be a full house on almost every flight ,do you not think so ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaharMahal View Post
    nobody else is buying A380s.
    but some genius in Iran decided that we need A380s probably to fly to Beijing or LA. or Canada.


    this is while the only airport in Iran that has even tested A380 (one landing) is the Emam Airport.
    apparently the second runway is not operational yet.

    There is no metro connectivity to southern Tehran (or MehrAbad).

    There are still no connection flights say form Mashahd to Emam AirPort or shiraz or Ahavaz.
    Talk about misplaced priorities.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oghabealborz View Post
    Renewing 40 year old aircrafts must be and is a priority ,millions of Iranians live abroad and millions in Iran travel by air every year ,surely their safety is a priority and urgency .

    I should think A380 flying from LA or Toronto to Tehran will be a full house on almost every flight ,do you not think so ?
    I don't have a problem if those folks are charged market prices. but I really highly doubt that they will be.

    as for a380 to Toronto. it is not simple you first have to buy a gate. landing rights all that.

    and even then I would much rather see a flight everyday say like Emirates. with 777 or 787.

    than have a once per week flight.

    I really do not see as making sense for IranAir to operate A380 when virtually no other Iranian airport can receive it.
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    Probably makes more sense to get Boeng as Iranians are already familiar with those planes.

    Boeing are probably more trustful than European's Airbus.

    They should have had Boeing and Airbug fight each other for the pricing. Perhaps, this was a way to force Boeing to push US gov to allow them to make a deal faster.

    Either way, there will be alot of money eaten up by the fat Akhoonds, sepah etc in the deal. That is given.
    It is doomed a country whose creator declared the first laws of Human right, yet, its people worship the history of those who invaded them .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaharMahal View Post
    I don't have a problem if those folks are charged market prices. but I really highly doubt that they will be.

    as for a380 to Toronto. it is not simple you first have to buy a gate. landing rights all that.

    and even then I would much rather see a flight everyday say like Emirates. with 777 or 787.

    than have a once per week flight.

    I really do not see as making sense for IranAir to operate A380 when virtually no other Iranian airport can receive it.
    I don't think getting a gate and landing rights would be a problem with hundreds of thousands of Iranians living in Canada and california and with 12 A380 they could probably do a lot more flights than once a week .

    Boeing will be there too ,don't forget Iran needs to buy or ease about 500 planes so Boeing will definitely be there ,personally I like the 777 very much .

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    Quote Originally Posted by oghabealborz View Post

    Boeing will be there too ,don't forget Iran needs to buy or ease about 500 planes so Boeing will definitely be there ,personally I like the 777 very much .
    That's precisely the line of thinking i don't get!. With the worst kind of Sanctions Iran has managed to stay connected to the world by relying on international careers.
    what is the strategic value of operating an airline and with state money!!!

    just build the conducive environment have foreign Carriers come and use Iran as hub. Operating an Airline has been such unprofitable operation in the past 30 years that Warren Buffet famously said I will never again invest in an airline.

    It is true in the more recent years because of consolidation, airlines have become more profitable. But it still remains a very low-margin business.

    if one is is thinking long-term and strategically it makes far more sense for Iran to invest its cargo rail network.

    I don't get the love affair with buying planes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaharMahal View Post
    That's precisely the line of thinking i don't get!. With the worst kind of Sanctions Iran has managed to stay connected to the world by relying on international careers.
    what is the strategic value of operating an airline and with state money!!!

    just build the conducive environment have foreign Carriers come and use Iran as hub. Operating an Airline has been such unprofitable operation in the past 30 years that Warren Buffet famously said I will never again invest in an airline.

    It is true in the more recent years because of consolidation, airlines have become more profitable. But it still remains a very low-margin business.

    if one is is thinking long-term and strategically it makes far more sense for Iran to invest its cargo rail network.

    I don't get the love affair with buying planes.
    A country such as ours with almost 100M people and standing needs it's own national airline for it's prestige ,even if at times it needs to be bail out and supported ,Iran Air used to be one of the best airlines in the world and has the potential to get it's place back .

    I felt uncomfortable and a bit sad at Istanbul airport watching the number of Turkish airlines planes parked along side each other , a country with a tiny fraction of the wealth of ours where 30 years ago didn't have a pot to piss on ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playboy View Post
    or just invest in camels for it's great fuel economy.
    a350 landing at merabad this week.beats a camel any day.


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    Now this is very good news, Boeing Co. is finally open for business in Iran.

    Boeing Cleared for Iran Talks After $27 Billion Airbus Haul
    The U.S. government cleared the manufacturer to begin talking with approved Iranian carriers about their fleet needs, a first step toward entering the country’s resurgent aircraft market, Boeing said Friday. The planemaker will still need a separate license to complete any commercial jetliner sales.


    Ardavan Amir-Aslani, a French-Iranian lawyer who is negotiating deals with Tehran for French companies says the Airbus deal isn't set in stone.
    "The agreements that have been signed are not definite, final documents," he says.

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    Interesting...for some people in this thread, its clearly more important that the american Boeing earns a few milliards of their own rather than the needs and problems of Iran and Iran Air. Its like hey, if Iran is about to get milked, why shouldnt our american Boeing have a share? Its really sad to see people with dubious loyalties and preferences roam on an iranian site and gang up true iranians.

    Regarding the issue, well Iran Air needs new planes. However in this deal, once again milliards of iranian peoples money will be redirected on privat bank accounts of agha zadeh haa, many people will take bribes to favor Airbus vs. Boeing and vice versa....business as usual. Iranians have given up tracking those huge losses of financial resources or stopping the bleeding. They steal and people dont care. Every single of those Airbuses or Boeings will cost iranian people 1000 times of its actual cost but we dong care
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehol Beddict View Post
    Interesting...for some people in this thread, its clearly more important that the american Boeing earns a few milliards of their own rather than the needs and problems of Iran and Iran Air. Its like hey, if Iran is about to get milked, why shouldnt our american Boeing have a share? Its really sad to see people with dubious loyalties and preferences roam on an iranian site and gang up true iranians.

    Regarding the issue, well Iran Air needs new planes. However in this deal, once again milliards of iranian peoples money will be redirected on privat bank accounts of agha zadeh haa, many people will take bribes to favor Airbus vs. Boeing and vice versa....business as usual. Iranians have given up tracking those huge losses of financial resources or stopping the bleeding. They steal and people dont care. Every single of those Airbuses or Boeings will cost iranian people 1000 times of its actual cost but we dong care
    Those dodgy dealing happen anyway. If they don't buy planes they buy something else that diverts money for agha zaadeh ha. We already know this.

    But at the very least let's our people feel some safety when they fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Behrooz_C View Post
    Those dodgy dealing happen anyway. If they don't buy planes they buy something else that diverts money for agha zaadeh ha. We already know this.

    But at the very least let's our people feel some safety when they fly.
    I agree with that safety part but not with the first part of your post. Those dodgy dealings do not happen everywhere, they do happen in countries like Iran and only because it also happens in Pakistan, it doesnt mean we have to accept it. I for my one, wont fly with IranAir anyway, not even with these new planes because i know where that money will go to. However for those iranians who have to take national flies within Iran, i absolutely support the idea to completely change the fleet. Those people dont have any other choice than to make use of IranAir and they do deserve better than 45 years old Tupolevs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehol Beddict View Post
    I agree with that safety part but not with the first part of your post. Those dodgy dealings do not happen everywhere, they do happen in countries like Iran and only because it also happens in Pakistan, it doesnt mean we have to accept it. I for my one, wont fly with IranAir anyway, not even with these new planes because i know where that money will go to. However for those iranians who have to take national flies within Iran, i absolutely support the idea to completely change the fleet. Those people dont have any other choice than to make use of IranAir and they do deserve better than 45 years old Tupolevs.
    You misunderstood. I never said they happen everywhere. I said they happen anyway. and I meant in Iran. The regime's dogs have been milking the business deals mafia style for years now.
    In fact during the sanctions some of these parasites made millions from ghachagh.
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    You are right, my bad. However its still hard to swallow. To know they will steal milliards of dollars in process and to not be able to do anything against it. The only thing i can do is to be true to my own standards and principals and not fly IranAir when i have other options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehol Beddict View Post
    Interesting...for some people in this thread, its clearly more important that the american Boeing earns a few milliards of their own rather than the needs and problems of Iran and Iran Air. Its like hey, if Iran is about to get milked, why shouldnt our american Boeing have a share? Its really sad to see people with dubious loyalties and preferences roam on an iranian site and gang up true iranians.

    Regarding the issue, well Iran Air needs new planes. However in this deal, once again milliards of iranian peoples money will be redirected on privat bank accounts of agha zadeh haa, many people will take bribes to favor Airbus vs. Boeing and vice versa....business as usual. Iranians have given up tracking those huge losses of financial resources or stopping the bleeding. They steal and people dont care. Every single of those Airbuses or Boeings will cost iranian people 1000 times of its actual cost but we dong care
    What exactly do you propose we should do? I live in the States. If I want to travel to Iran in the next few years and have the option of travelling with Iran Air or Turkish, which airline should I choose?
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