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    The pressure is specifically on these plane purchases because once the financing is in place, different industries will use the same route to invest in Iran.

    Simple as that.
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    Well...just as we thought selling the airplanes to Iran is out of the question, breaking news:



    دولت آمریکا 'مجوز فروش بیش از صد ایرباس به ایران را صادر کرد'




    وزارت خزانه***داری آمریکا مجوز فروش ۱۰۶ هواپیمای مسافربری به شرکت هواپیمایی ملی ایران (هما) را برای شرکت ایرباس فرانسه صادر کرده است.

    یک "منبع مطلع" که نامش فاش نشده به خبرگزاری رویترز گفته است این مجوز دیروز دوشنبه ۲۱ نوامبر، توسط وزارت خزانه داری آمریکا صادر شده است.

    دو مقام دولتی آمریکا هم در گفت و گو با آسوشیتدپرس این خبر را تأیید کرده***اند.

    این در حالی است که مجلس نمایندگان آمریکا هفته پیش با تصویب طرحی، فروش هواپیمای مسافربری به ایران را منع کرده بود.

    شرکت ایرباس فرانسوی است، ولی بدلیل تامین بعضی قطعات ایرباس توسط شرکتهای آمریکایی باید برای فروش از آمریکا مجوز بگیرد.

    گفته می***شود که دست***کم***ده درصد قطعات ایرباس ساخت آمریکا هستند.

    این در حالی است که اصغر فخریه کاشان، معاون وزیر راه و شهرسازی از تأمین اعتبار خرید بخشی از ناوگان ایرباس از طریق یک شرکت لیزینگ بین***المللی خبر داده است.

    آقای فخریه کاشان گفته است: "طبق قرارداد اولیه، روش خرید هواپیماها به صورت اجاره به شرط تملیک بلندمدت است و درهمین زمینه موفق شدیم با یک شرکت لیزینگ بین***المللی برای تأمین مالی خرید ۷۷ فروند ایرباس به توافق نهایی برسیم."

    معاون وزیر راه ایران البته نام این شرکت را ذکر نکرده است.

    در جریان توافق جامع اتمی (برجام) میان ایران و گروه ۱+۵، ایالات متحده آمریکا با رفع تحریم فروش هواپیماهای مسافربری به ایران بدلیل فرسودگی ناوگان هوایی این کشور موافقت کرد و این موضوع در متن توافق گنجانده شد.

    ایران در ابتدای سال جاری میلادی اعلام کرد که قصد دارد ۱۱۸ هواپیمای مسافربری به ارزش تقریبی ۲۷ میلیارد دلار از شرکت ایرباس خریداری کند، اما بدلیل نیاز به مجوز آمریکا برای فروش این هواپیماها، این خرید به تأخیر افتاد.


    Source: http://www.bbc.com/persian/iran-38071460

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaharMahal View Post
    the whole weapons transport $hit is a farce. it is being pushed by these necon foundations like the ones khalaji and other Iranian sell-outs work for.
    If Iran wants to transport weapons. they would use the military's c-130 or illyushins or Antanovs.

    banning plane sales is just way to exert pressure on the Iranian regime. There is no terrorism reason behind it. They are just trying to have the regime succumb to their demands based on pressure from the public.

    so far though Iran has got away by letting foreign carriers serving Iran.
    Charmahal jan whatever the real reason is, is not the point! Their "official" reason is transporting weapons, which means if they let Iran lease the airplanes, they have contradicted themselves in front of the world! Do you know what I mean?

    In anyways, it seems Obama administration hurried up and sent the license before Trump comes to power and stops the deal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playboy View Post
    looks like iran did some creative financing to get the airbus
    deal done before the new u.s. president takes office.

    Iran has reached a deal with a foreign leasing company to finance the first 17 jets it plans to buy from Airbus (AIR.PA), breaking a logjam in efforts to import aircraft following the lifting of sanctions, people familiar with the move said.

    The deal removes a significant hurdle to securing the first tranche of jets, following uncertainty over financing and political opposition in the United States and Iran, though the sources caution months of talking have thrown up new potential hurdles.
    Iranian officials declined to name the lessor involved, but industry sources said in September that Iran was in advanced talks with the United Arab Emirates' Dubai Aerospace about helping to finance the purchase.
    "We have a deal to finance the first 17 aircraft," a senior Iranian official told Reuters, without elaborating.
    Dubai Aerospace and Airbus both declined to comment.

    Under the deal, the leasing company would take over part of Iran's order for dozens of new jetliners and then lease them to the country's flag carrier.
    Exclusive: U.S. grants Airbus license to sell 106 planes to Iran

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ir...KBN13H1W0?il=0

    and you can bet your bottom $ that iran will also get to buy the planes
    it wants from boeing.trump's whole campaign was about creating jobs
    and improving the economy.he will look like an utter fool if he tells 1500
    boeing workers they are going to be laid off since he does not want to
    sell planes to iran.that's jt not trump who has been a business man and
    a deal maker all his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playboy View Post
    Exclusive: U.S. grants Airbus license to sell 106 planes to Iran

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ir...KBN13H1W0?il=0

    and you can bet your bottom $ that iran will also get to buy the planes
    it wants from boeing.trump's whole campaign was about creating jobs
    and improving the economy.he will look like an utter fool if he tells 1500
    boeing workers they are going to be laid off since he does not want to
    sell planes to iran.that's jt not trump who has been a business man and
    a deal maker all his life.
    There were US senators from the same county where Boeing is located, arguing against Iran buying from Boeing. Kaseye daghtar az ash. They were literally willing to lose jobs for their own constituents and corporate sponsors in order to have a sleazy lobbying job afterward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatso View Post
    There were US senators from the same county where Boeing is located, arguing against Iran buying from Boeing. Kaseye daghtar az ash. They were literally willing to lose jobs for their own constituents and corporate sponsors in order to have a sleazy lobbying job afterward.
    yes but they were all against trump.
    trump will spit directly in the face of all congress
    and allow boeing to sell planes to iran.remember even
    the vast majority of republicans in the congress refused
    to endorse him and were actually against him.so he does
    not owe them a thing.but he does owe the american workers
    who voted for him and his promise about jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playboy View Post
    yes but they were all against trump.
    trump will spit directly in the face of all congress
    and allow boeing to sell planes to iran.remember even
    the vast majority of republicans in the congress refused
    to endorse him and were actually against him.so he does
    not owe them a thing.but he does owe the american workers
    who voted for him and his promise about jobs.
    boeing and iran signed a deal for 80 planes worth $16b today.
    trump is sending the right signals to iran.from nominating an
    oil man as secretary of state to this deal the message is clear.
    the pivot towards iran started under obama will continue under
    the new trump administration.the aiapc and saudi lobby and their
    slaves in the congress can go suck an egg as far as trump is
    concerned.

    Iran and Boeing Sign $16.6 Billion Deal on Sale of 80 Aircraft

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/wo...lane-deal.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Playboy View Post
    boeing and iran signed a deal for 80 planes worth $16b today.
    trump is sending the right signals to iran.from nominating an
    oil man as secretary of state to this deal the message is clear.
    the pivot towards iran started under obama will continue under
    the new trump administration.the aiapc and saudi lobby and their
    slaves in the congress can go suck an egg as far as trump is
    concerned.

    Iran and Boeing Sign $16.6 Billion Deal on Sale of 80 Aircraft

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/wo...lane-deal.html

    You forgot the "oil man" will have John Bolton managing the day to day affairs. Don't be too happy for your beloved IR.

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    This Whole plane acquisition story has turned into one great boone doggle.

    Iran should have focused on super small planes (RJs) for domestic use. a few (10-40) leased single isle aircraft like A320 or 737 for flights to neighboring countries like Dubai, Baghdad, Ankara, Istanbul, Baku, Kabul, New Dehli, Malysia, Beirut.

    They should focus on building up the airports. (decoupling military bases from airports). if they do that foreign airlines will just like today fly into Iran. a plane is simply a liability to operate. you should be in the business of operating reliable airports. not buying planes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaharMahal View Post
    This Whole plane acquisition story has turned into one great boone doggle.

    Iran should have focused on super small planes (RJs) for domestic use. a few (10-40) leased single isle aircraft like A320 or 737 for flights to neighboring countries like Dubai, Baghdad, Ankara, Istanbul, Baku, Kabul, New Dehli, Malysia, Beirut.

    They should focus on building up the airports. (decoupling military bases from airports). if they do that foreign airlines will just like today fly into Iran. a plane is simply a liability to operate. you should be in the business of operating reliable airports. not buying planes.

    ولی کو گوش شنوا
    I rather ride on new planes and arrive at shitty airports than ride on shitty planes and and arrive at the state of the art airport ,makes sense ,no ?

    But I do agree with having decent airports too but flying with a safe and sound planes is much more sensible than having top notch airports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oghabealborz View Post
    I rather ride on new planes and arrive at shitty airports than ride on shitty planes and and arrive at the state of the art airport ,makes sense ,no ?

    But I do agree with having decent airports too but flying with a safe and sound planes is much more sensible than having top notch airports.
    you do ride on new planes! you fly turkish, Qatar, Azarbayejan, Emirates, Austrian, Luftansa, BA into Iran. There is no strategic value in owning airlines.

    Think about it!!! what is the strategic value? building good roads? or owning am massive taxi operating company?
    What is more valuable? owning the rail lines? or owning the locomotives that run on top of it?

    It is about of chicken and egg. but Iran already has all these airlines flying into Iran. there is no reason to lock so much capital around a acquiring planes.

    some people say oh well yes airlines are just a glorified tax but they do create jobs. well then create the environment such that foreign company would use iran as their repair facility.
    or for their cargo. rather than spending all these $ to buy so many planes.

    think about it between 2008- and 2013 Iran suffered from the highest point of isolation. and even then there was plenty of foreign airlines flying into iran. so what is the whole deal about insisting about owning your own airline?
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    The idea of Iran (a broke country with serious money issues) spending upwards of $100 Billion to acquire a bunch of airplanes is the most ridiculous scandal in recent history of that country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bache Tehroon View Post
    The idea of Iran (a broke country with serious money issues) spending upwards of $100 Billion to acquire a bunch of airplanes is the most ridiculous scandal in recent history of that country.
    I don't think the IRI will ever buy 100+ planes even if they had the money which they don't. They signed these deals with Boeing And Airbus knowing it would fail. If these bastards cared about improving the qualify of transportation than Iranians wouldn't be riding old unsafe trains and cars. Iran's rail and auto sector have not been sanctioned like its aviation industry and yet Iran has some of the worlds most dangerous roads, cars and trains.
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    the self hating 3rd world mentality exhibited by most iranians
    in exile is not abnormal.it is actually normal for new refugees and
    immigrants to show the deep scars,more like ptsd,that life as a second
    class citizen leaves on their psychological health after their initial stay
    in th ehost country runs off.this becomes acute when the newly arrived
    folks are of means and education and were in positions of power in their
    homeland.it takes a generation or two for a healthy outlook to emerge
    withing these communities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaharMahal View Post
    you do ride on new planes! you fly turkish, Qatar, Azarbayejan, Emirates, Austrian, Luftansa, BA into Iran. There is no strategic value in owning airlines.

    Think about it!!! what is the strategic value? building good roads? or owning am massive taxi operating company?
    What is more valuable? owning the rail lines? or owning the locomotives that run on top of it?

    It is about of chicken and egg. but Iran already has all these airlines flying into Iran. there is no reason to lock so much capital around a acquiring planes.

    some people say oh well yes airlines are just a glorified tax but they do create jobs. well then create the environment such that foreign company would use iran as their repair facility.
    or for their cargo. rather than spending all these $ to buy so many planes.

    think about it between 2008- and 2013 Iran suffered from the highest point of isolation. and even then there was plenty of foreign airlines flying into iran. so what is the whole deal about insisting about owning your own airline?
    You make sense and maybe in this day and age it won't make good business sense to invest so much money buying planes but our situation is kind of unique for being one of the very few if not the only one with such an old fleet of planes that soon if this deals don't go through they should call Iran air "so long suckers air " ....

    Lets face it if they don't spend the money buying thses planes that money will end up where those 800 billion ended up during A.N period .

 

 

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