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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahdi View Post
    I made a joke about Dawkins, you took the joke seriously and started an argument based on a joke.

    Nothing left to say about intelligence and conclusions.
    That's why I started by saying I don't know if you are joking or not. Now you say you were joking, that's fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Strangemoosh View Post
    No shit.



    Because I don't care about scales or quantification about how much one believes in fairytales, that's what makes me 5-6 and Dawkins at 6.5. I prefer Science and Research, be it quantitative or qualitative.

    So my lack of caring takes a point off me.
    You may be a doctor or a scientist, and a smart guy, but your writing does not attest to that. What you wrote above makes no sense. Also, I am not here to win arguments, because the point is to convey a message and not to convert. I also don't want to deal with childish behavior of some who think about winning arguments rather than learning from discussions. So, "no shit" describes that sort of childish attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardesheer View Post
    You may be a doctor or a scientist, and a smart guy, but your writing does not attest to that. What you wrote above makes no sense. Also, I am not here to win arguments, because the point is to convey a message and not to convert. I also don't want to deal with childish behavior of some who think about winning arguments rather than learning from discussions. So, "no shit" describes that sort of childish attitude.
    lol, i re read his comment due to your reply.

    i think, i might be wrong here, but i think, he is only in the comment above kind of 'vicious circling' himself.

    he says i don't care about scales .... i prefer science and research, be it qualitative or quantitative.
    well, I know enough about research to say the point of research is to shed some light on the unknown and how do you do that by 'trying' to somehow make it known or at least go towards some methods to see if it is possible to make it known.
    isn't that a direct attempt to scale things???
    holiness is in the right action not in god .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamMeli View Post
    Ardesheer, let's be fair for a minute. Perhaps the Dr was not born in the west. You seem to have a good grasp of the English language so I am going to say you were born in the west or spent time here. English is one of the toughest languages for foreigners to learn and not everyone was a sports journalism major. As for Dr, I studied Mechanical Engineering and have a STEM background. It is not necessary to be a great writer in order to be successful, in that field. You need to be able to think critically and analytically. As long as you have that, you are golden, even if you speak like
    ve live in Los Ange-les estop it haha.I do not have these issues because of my diverse European ethnic background, I was born in the USA so I speak with no accent and society views me as an American Hero, a vet. I have a strong command of the Russian language and even Ger-man, and can fully understand, same with Farsi but less. If you ask me to formulate a sentence in Russian, I can do it but it will be probably piss poor grammar. Someone will think I a dumb but I was just not born in Russia or Iran. When I go to my Bayern Munchen fan club of LV and my friends talk to me in Ger-man I answer then ja or nein but ask me to formulate a sentence and we have problems. Plus, Spanish has about 100,000 words, where as English has 1,000,000 words so it is a very difficult language to learn top 5
    Mandarian, Arabi, German, English, Russian, according to the Navy/USMC. They will give you $500 a month extra, I am fluent in Farsi but not writing so I could not apss that test. You have to get a 2/3 in reading comprehension, writing and listening YA RIGHT, I get where foreigners have problems, I struggle when I visit fam in DE or Russ. I was born in BH 90210 so English, no problem. BTW I am better at forming sentences in Russian somehow that language is easy for me and I have no idea why.
    we are all here, equal no matter where we were born or how we were raised.

    as it is in real life, you are responsible for what comes out of your mouth (or in this case what comes out of your keyboard)

    being raised here and there or taught this and that is not an excuse in the age of internet. even shacks in sri lanka have some sort of internet connection.

    you are not sure about something you go read on them
    holiness is in the right action not in god .

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    and here i will come full circle in where this post started:

    dawkins suggested to his daughter:

    instead of relying on:
    - tradition
    - authority
    - inner voices

    ask for proof and evidence.


    i thought of an example: (instead of babbling about imaginary bullshit scenarios)

    if jesus, allah, bahaollah, zeus, amon Ra has an answer for everything (obviously in the bible or apostles), can you guys suggest a way they would have helped this man:

    - by helping him with his illness
    - allowing him to enjoy life like other 'creations' of god
    - experience joy in life instead of constant pain and misery

    and secondly, whey did god create this man prone to such suffering? what kind of god does this?

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windso...-ill-1.3829839

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windso...cacy-1.4080553
    holiness is in the right action not in god .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamMeli View Post
    Well I agree with you on that and I do not know the history of this forum like you guys. I have only been here for a couple of years but I respect your open mindedness, your tolerance and bruderliche danke komrade, you are a true friend! We are responsible for the words that come out of our mouths or keyboard. Somehow, I noticed people act very brave to me on a keyboard but when they bump into me face to face, they are not as brave, they are respectful(just an observation). It does not matter if you were born here or there, you mom was born in Iran or Munchen that is jut za zuft lahm ist nicht gut. There are good and bad people everywhere but I suggest If you are NOT the best orator or writer, perhaps keep the posts to one sentence. Lincoln stole this from the Bible Proverbs 17:28(I had to be the religious petty officer in boot camp you can't say no). Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt.
    silence in some cases is the most intelligent thing to be or to do. I have seen in many cross sections of my life that silent people are thought of by normal people to be the most intelligent.

    Personally I see Islam Judaism or Christianty as more or less the same but with a different twist.
    totally. different versions of the same babble.
    great business practice though.
    it is like you watch commercials the lady with the nice firm tits and colgate smile tells you such and such juice does not have any added sugar (as if it is a plus). as if the manufacturer of the product is doing us a favor not putting added sugar in their juice.
    it is like a thug telling me don't worry i won't knife you as if he is doing me a favor.
    fucking babble to bend minds towards collection boxes (curtained off boxes in mecca, collection boxes in Mississippi, b brith in new york etc etc ), i see these religions as important of telemarketing scams there were going on a few years ago ...
    now the question is we have to think and read up on how they became so successful starting with Assyrians, Persians and the the semites. once we do a root cause analysis of that we can rid humanity of this as we did with Syphillis and polio

    Islam-Bend your knees and pray on Friday, Judiasm-Bend your knees and pray on Saturday and Christian-Bend your and pray on Sunday(Minus Sad Day Advantages). I was trying to say English is tough for foreigners to master, especially the accent.
    I do not believe in people: KILLING in the name of GOD,hear voices in a cave, the earth is 5,000 years old, virgin births, praying to the WALL or any of that nonsense, I do not have time for those childish things. I respect other people's opinions but if you are one of those three above then I must respectfully disagree. War is different, you follow orders or they will convict you of treason, if you kill because someone prays to a different God or hate someone because of that, you have ROCKS FOR BRAINS!
    that is where i differ with you.

    i only respect opinions that deserve my respect. however, i don't go out of my way to shit on people unless if they start to share their opinion with the world, then i fuck them up to the best of my ability. (by fuck them up i mean the people of god and not normal human beings)

    someone tells me it is ok in my opinion or belief to fuck a 9 year old girl just because she has had her period, not only i don't respect that opinion, if it is in my power i will go out my way to hurt that mother fucker. the only difference is in the past hurt was physical, now you call the police or a lawyer and sue the mother fucker.

    and please note i am not even saying this is a guy who has done this, he is a guy who says it is OK to believe in this. to me they are one and the same. how can i respect his opinion.

    liberals say, it is our human rights to disagree with someone peacefully. yeah well tell that to the population of fucking paris.
    or the firemen that died in the world trade center as they were burning to the cinder i am sure they thought of the liberal saying that it is ok to agree to disagree.

    not in my fucking backyard. that is what i say.

    you want to exercise child bride, slave trade, group worship of darth vader or tooth fairy do it in your fuckng home.
    holiness is in the right action not in god .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardesheer View Post
    That's why I started by saying I don't know if you are joking or not. Now you say you were joking, that's fine.
    fair enough. next time I will make a smiley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamMeli View Post
    Ardesheer, let's be fair for a minute. Perhaps the Dr was not born in the west. You seem to have a good grasp of the English language so I am going to say you were born in the west or spent time here. English is one of the toughest languages for foreigners to learn and not everyone was a sports journalism major. As for Dr, I studied Mechanical Engineering and have a STEM background. It is not necessary to be a great writer in order to be successful, in that field. You need to be able to think critically and analytically. As long as you have that, you are golden, even if you speak like
    ve live in Los Ange-les estop it haha.I do not have these issues because of my diverse European ethnic background, I was born in the USA so I speak with no accent and society views me as an American Hero, a vet. I have a strong command of the Russian language and even Ger-man, and can fully understand, same with Farsi but less. If you ask me to formulate a sentence in Russian, I can do it but it will be probably piss poor grammar. Someone will think I a dumb but I was just not born in Russia or Iran. When I go to my Bayern Munchen fan club of LV and my friends talk to me in Ger-man I answer then ja or nein but ask me to formulate a sentence and we have problems. Plus, Spanish has about 100,000 words, where as English has 1,000,000 words so it is a very difficult language to learn top 5
    Mandarian, Arabi, German, English, Russian, according to the Navy/USMC. They will give you $500 a month extra, I am fluent in Farsi but not writing so I could not apss that test. You have to get a 2/3 in reading comprehension, writing and listening YA RIGHT, I get where foreigners have problems, I struggle when I visit fam in DE or Russ. I was born in BH 90210 so English, no problem. BTW I am better at forming sentences in Russian somehow that language is easy for me and I have no idea why.
    a) Doctor is a Cambridge graduate.
    b) English is the simplest language in the world to learn for many reasons. Even easier than Mandarian and Tangarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyvan_pars View Post
    i know you are used to be told what to do ... the 'what' instead of 'how',
    he is trying to open a new door for his daughter.

    by quoting him, i am trying to share my interest with the forum. that is all.
    if you are questioning dawkins go on his website and question him. i am sure he will promptly reply. good luck !
    I wasn't questioning Dawkins. I was questioning your approach to his ideas and your post about them in the forum. But I got my answer in your reply and your replies to other people in this thread! "NOW" your statements make more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Chinaski View Post
    About the subject i have to say, people like Dawkins are nothing special or new to this world. These poor souls have always been the powerless try of the very little minority who were able to free themselves from this overwhelmingly devastating idea of god and religion. There have been people before and there will be people after Dawkins who will try to tell us to stay away from this shit but the thing is the majority of humans are just a brown bag full of horse shit and they act accordingly. That brainless, weak, and kharkosse majority -as always- will easily suppress and if necessary even kill and mute that little minority who will try to get their gods and their sharlatans (aka prophets) aways from them. Heck this majority is such a rotten crowd, they even made people to prophets and religious leaders who actually never intended to be one like Jesus or Zarathustra. I always have to think about the book of Nietzsche "thus spoke zarathustra" and his protagonist an "overman" (‹bermensch). As long as this low profile and haghir human race is not able to produce more "overmen", as long as subhumans are the absolute majority, people like Dawkins will always be like a drop in the sea of a very threatening and harmful dumbness.
    my father, on his annual visits to Germany, purchased the newly printed version of Mein kampf and he mentioned something a little similar, i don't know if you are familiar with it ...

    the creators of culture
    the carriers of culture
    the destroyers of culture
    holiness is in the right action not in god .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Chinaski View Post
    Enghdr zer nazan. You are the same low life who once said "if truth is said by ben laden, i dont care about that truth". How can such a piece of shit with this kind of a rotten approach even dare to talk in a thread about Dawkins? Har pofyoozi injaa har ghalati delesh mikhaad mikone
    Whereas you are a bastion of integrity aren't you, Mr 1000 user-names?

    LOL, getting critiqued by psychological case studies like you and General (who you seem to relish engaging with as I guess he's on your wavelength) is like Iniesta getting criticism about his playmaking from Ali Dia, it's a source of amusement.

    Anyway, you might respect Bin Laden's sayings but I don't particularly care for them. Horses for courses.
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    I look forward to your proposed Overmen, Mr Bukowski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Chinaski View Post
    Well Hitler was a subhuman himself. You dont create the overman by killing millions of innocent people. Many of the people who got killed or expelled by hitler had a much higher IQ than he and his gang combined. The Overman can only be created by education and therefor we need this small minority like Dawkins to exist and to be heard. Albeight through a very tuned down voice, but once this little voice of reason and common sense disappear too, then the last straw of hope will probably die out. You know, there is a saying that the most beautiful lotus flowers grow in the dirtiest and worst smelling mordaab o lajanzaar and i always hoped to see this apply to humans aswell but i fear it could be a waste of time.
    i never thought of him as an overman myself. but the idea does sound interesting though.

    in the old world most ideas came out of Greece, Rome and Persia. however, China had a huge civilization that falls outside his naive classification.

    having said that i cannot argue that semites, so far, have been the destroyers of culture.
    holiness is in the right action not in god .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Chinaski View Post
    لجن بیسواد. همیشه در حد و حدود همون یه جوک بودی . یک شخصیت کاملا حقیر
    That's better, I can read this single line. Even though I've told you many times that I was born and raised in the West so it takes a long time for me to read and write you still persist in writing long tracts of Farsi which will take me an aeon to read and then respond to. What does Hagheer mean?

    What have you contributed to humanity by the way, apart from throwing insults to anyone and everyone and making a hundred user-names out of popular fictional anti-heroes? All you do is swear at people, never any rational debate.

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    I've got Richard Dawkins' New College email address, I might send him this thread so that he can appreciate the proposed link between his "little voice of reason and common sense" and ‹bermen, at least give him a bit of a chuckle on a Saturday night.

 

 

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