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    Baba jan, why is it not possible to discuss anything with Iranians without someone making a link to the 1979 revolution? I was 6 years old the. Is it because you can't distinguish the differences? I mean are you so intellectually inept that this is your best argument? gooz v shaghigheh and all that.

    Immigrants from outside the EU are for Brexit because unlike the the Easter Europeans, I came here and worked hard and earned my rights as a citizen. Now I see the Slovenian and the Poles walk in and have the same rights from day one.

    I see the EU as a discriminatory club. I want to live in a Britain where merits are awarded, not based on where you are from, which is what the EU club is all about. Britain will bring in talent from all over the world based on merit, rather than it be based on someone belonging to an exclusive white club, called Europe.

    As for evidence that the banks will pack off and go to Frankfurt, that is not going to happen. It is all scare mongering. Just wait.
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    My point is that you are basing nothing on evidence. It is all fairytales and "faith" and "hope". It is a very simple point and you have ignored it completely, concentrating on my simile instead of the content of my post (i.e. deflecting the argument). You haven't answered a single point with proper evidence and then you concentrate on my simile and have the chutzpah to call my argument "intellectually inept"....!?

    Bankers are already leaving and banks are already moving, what do you mean " that is not going to happen." It is ALREADY HAPPENING. Where is your evidence to the contrary? I don't want vague comments, I don't want "believe in this". What is this fairytale Britain that you're describing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Behrooz_C View Post
    Baba jan, why is it not possible to discuss anything with Iranians without someone making a link to the 1979 revolution? I was 6 years old the. Is it because you can't distinguish the differences? I mean are you so intellectually inept that this is your best argument? gooz v shaghigheh and all that.
    i am going to connect your gooz to your shaghighe here.

    you mentioned iranians and pakis are against it. I said so what does that mean?
    and now you clarified what you meant which you should have done in the first place.

    I am assuming that you are trying to imply that the Brexit is not a racially motivated anti immigration move since immigrants voted for it too. Which brings your gooz back to the shaghighe, which is, so what they voted for it?
    so fucking what?
    Since people from all backgrounds voted for it does that make it a move or does it mean that people with limited intellectual capacity (which exist in all walks of life) fell for it ?

    Immigrants from outside the EU are for Brexit because unlike the the Easter Europeans, I came here and worked hard and earned my rights as a citizen. Now I see the Slovenian and the Poles walk in and have the same rights from day one.
    as i said, i think in this thread or macron's thread, you are right about that and Germans, the French and Swedes are not happy about that too, hence, the requested changes to the rules that are currently being discussed in the German parliament.

    cut a long story short they are proposing for people from other european countries to be entitled to the same rights they have to have had full employment for a number of years. (i am not being exact here you can find out the exact details for yourself)

    I see the EU as a discriminatory club. I want to live in a Britain where merits are awarded, not based on where you are from, which is what the EU club is all about. Britain will bring in talent from all over the world based on merit, rather than it be based on someone belonging to an exclusive white club, called Europe.

    As for evidence that the banks will pack off and go to Frankfurt, that is not going to happen. It is all scare mongering. Just wait.
    I see britons (i am generalizing here no personal disrespect intended) as lazy. So are southern Europeans and what Germans are trying to do is to tell them, to keep up with the North American, Chinese, the Japanese and Arab money you guys need to get with the times and work harder.

    going back to your point on slovenia and poland, that is a two way street. A friend of mine invested 140k pounds in a business in West London when he was told by hired business and marketing analyst there was no chance of failure. His business was failing badly, really badly. He was recommended by his hired help to look into opening the same venture in Poland.

    three years and a couple of million Euros later he has 20 something employees and he visits England only to see his family.

    I lived in England when Euro consisted of only Germany, France, Italy and Spain. There was rampant poverty, riots, strikes, child abuse. Maybe this is to be blamed on british people themselves and how lazy they are rather than blaming it on europe.

    Either way as you said, you are out and i guess we ll be in this forum in a few years when London will become a Utopia as you say. I will, at that stage, tell you that you were right and i was wrong.

    For now, get ready for riots and council flat crime to go through the roof.
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    Couple of things:

    1) The UK could have decided on who comes in and who goes out with or without the EU. Same way Austria and Germany decide who comes into the country from outside of the EU, the UK could have done the same and was actually doing the same. Bright talents were never hindered to come to the UK from anywhere, and if anything, the UK will become now less attractive due to not being part of Europe.

    The fact that Polish and Romanian workers came to the UK and had rights like other EU citizens, is something you might complain about as a Pakistani or Iranian, but then again, there was a reason they came to the UK in the first place, which is that the UK had a demand for these workers. And frankly, Polish workers for construction, carpenters, truck drivers are simply better educated than say Pakistani ones.
    Same way, lots of Eastern German citizens are currently working in Switzerland as they get paid much more than in Germany. It's a give and take. The only thing Polish workers did to the UK was pay taxes. It was a non-zero-sum-game.

    2) The main reason UK was attractive over the past 20-30 years for big banks was being part of the EU. Whether you like it or not, the UK will lose some banks as they will not be able to trade and clear Euro denominated bonds in the UK anymore. No one knows how many will leave, but there will be people leaving. Brexit will have a toll on the UK housing market, which has been a big part of the wealth for British citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Strangemoosh View Post
    My point is that you are basing nothing on evidence. It is all fairytales and "faith" and "hope". It is a very simple point and you have ignored it completely, concentrating on my simile instead of the content of my post (i.e. deflecting the argument). You haven't answered a single point with proper evidence and then you concentrate on my simile and have the chutzpah to call my argument "intellectually inept"....!?

    Bankers are already leaving and banks are already moving, what do you mean " that is not going to happen." It is ALREADY HAPPENING. Where is your evidence to the contrary? I don't want vague comments, I don't want "believe in this". What is this fairytale Britain that you're describing?
    Let me flip this around. What evidence do you have that in the long run the EU will not be a disaster? Why are you any more knowledgable about the future than I am? I often hear arrogant Remoaners say: "Brexiteers didn't know what they were voting for". What a load of shlt. I ask the opposite question, did the Remoaners know what they were voting for? Do they know what the EU has in store for them in the future? What makes you less ignorant than me?

    Sure there might be some short-term pain of Brexit, but in the long term I am sure my children will be much better off.
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    Keyvan.
    You tried but did a terrible job of connecting gooz and shaghigheh.

    Why should someone from Slovenia or Poland walk in here and have an advantage over someone from Iran or India or Australia, simply because he/she belongs to an arbitrary political and economic Union? Whatever happened to merit? Contrary to how they like to advertise the EU, is not an open market. It's a restrictive market, limited to citizens of member states.

    The EU reminds me of the line in George Orwell's Animal Farm: "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".
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    well bruv,
    i guess we are at a little bit of a deadlock here.

    lets wait a few years and see how you guys fare now that you are free of the shackles of Euro.

    selling weapons to bullshit middle eastern camels does not count as exports. i am saying that ahead of time.

    as well as, licking trumps balls to throw a half eaten bone.

    i guess we ll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keyvan_pars View Post
    well bruv,

    as well as, licking trumps balls to throw a half eaten bone.

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    Absolutely correct on the middle east part, that's the only way forward now for this country to have relevance.


    From speaking to American bankers on both sides of the political spectrum, they don't give a shit about the UK any more. UK's geopolitical strength has been powered by America's general view of UK as the rational, pragmatic Europeans they want to do business with.

    Losing banks, bankers and industries as a direct consequence of UK leaving the EU doesn't give them the best sign. Now they see us as backward, regressive, not the "open for trade" pipedream that the Brexiters thought they would see us as. Trump is keeping up appearances at the moment because he wants to have the UK's military power available in case of a war, but beyond that I think they are getting their french and german phrasebooks out, and learning a bit of gaelic too perhaps.

    It's like England deciding to leave FIFA because of it's corruption and backwardness. Outstanding, you are free from Fifa's shackles! But who the fuck would want to play you now?

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    To say Britain is "not open for trade" because of Brexit is stupid and irrelevant. If anything, Britain will no longer be restricted by the EU and can go out and make its own deals with everyone.

    Don't forget, there are plenty of European companies that have a lot at stake here too. They want a good deal because they don't want their trade with Britain to be damaged.

    I guess we just have to wait and see. But I am confident Britain will come out of this better than most people think.
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    Today's banking news:

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/35480957...-brexit/#page1


    The largest global banks in London plan to move about 9,000 jobs to the continent in the next two years, public statements and information from sources show, as the exodus of finance jobs starts to take shape.

    Last week Standard Chartered and JPMorgan were the latest global banks to outline plans for their European operations after Brexit. They are among a growing number of lenders pushing ahead with plans to move operations from London. Goldman Sachs chief executive Lloyd Blankfein said in an interview on Friday that London's growth as a financial centre could "stall" as a result of the upheaval caused by Brexit.

    Thirteen major banks including Goldman Sachs, UBS, and Citigroup have indicated of how they would bulk up their operations in Europe to secure market access to the European Union's single market when Britain leaves the bloc. Talks with financial authorities in Europe have been underway for several months, but banks are increasingly firming up plans to move staff and operations.

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    Bank of America this week:
    https://www.americanbanker.com/artic...e-after-brexit

    "B of A views Dublin as its default destination for a new hub inside the European Union if Brexit means the U.K. loses easy access to the single market, according to one of the firm's top executives in Germany. The bank will likely move some jobs to other cities across the EU, including Frankfurt, Madrid, Luxembourg and Amsterdam

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    Frankfurt lays claims to banks fleeing the UK post-Brexit:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-br...-idUSKBN1811GA

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    Mostly scare tactics to make Brexit look like a mistake (to prevent others from going their own way).

    UK will not lose its significance. No sane American or Chinese bank is going to put its eggs in a French, German or Italian basket. Sure, a few reorgs and personnel moves will happen, but major capital will not flow out of England to go to EU.

    Having more bank buildings is not a sign of economical prosperity. The 100,000 or so people employed by these banks and their related ventures are pretty much irrelevant. England is still a far superior immigration destination for most investors and workers than places like France, Germany or Italy. Culture, language and history play a part too. There's more to desirability of a place than tall bank buildings and finance operations, otherwise, Panama would be the #1 destination for immigration.

    England will be fine. EU won't be.


 

 
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