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    mosalmoon haaye maadar ghahbe performed slavery in iraq, Izadi women

    @ sly and other mates ;
    The next generation of Muslims in western countries don't have to become extremists or terrorists to rule . In then name of democracy they will take over by becoming a majority . I think the rules of starting a political party here in Sweden is to register 100 members. Then you are in title to receive financial assistance for running your agenda . When such a party got started then it's too late to stop them from taking over . The clearest example is our country . You gave an akhond a finger they took the whole arm .

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyvan_pars View Post
    those are not few examples. those are TWO examples. that is first.
    Those two examples were about 2 non-muslims (Christians). If you read my response a little more carefully, you see that I said I know of many people that have gone back.


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    secondly muslims didn't run away from middle east to live in Assyria. that empire has been gone for many centuries. Neither do i know many iranians or arabs or pakistanis that immigrated to live in Armenia. that was second.
    These are Assyrian/Iranians. Of course, they will go back to Iran because that's were they were born and raised.

    Quote Originally Posted by keyvan_pars View Post
    and third and lastly, when a rag head can practice wearing a hejab in london and attending mosque and eating halal meat .

    a Swede or a scottish person should be able to eat pork, drink beer and wear bikinis in IR, pakistan and camel land. can they ?
    do you have example of 'folks' who are doing that ?
    Religious minorities are given more freedom in regards to Alcohol consumption. In fact, if they pull you over and find Alcohol in your car, they will let you go if you are not a muslim. They are also allowed to take Alcohol to their gatherings in their clubs.



    Quote Originally Posted by keyvan_pars View Post
    sorry if i come across a little harsh but we really need to stick to the point here and not try to muddy the water with peripheral information that, however maybe true, has nothing to do with the discussion.

    your examples here, as valid as they might be, have nothing to do with the topic.
    No reason to apologize, we are just discussing and exchanging information. As for staying on the topic, I was merely responding to your own post.

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    No reason to apologize, we are just discussing and exchanging information. As for staying on the topic, I was merely responding to your own post.[/QUOTE]



    Very true,we exchange thoughts and experiences here which is very valuable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finally View Post
    Those two examples were about 2 non-muslims (Christians). If you read my response a little more carefully, you see that I said I know of many people that have gone back.



    These are Assyrian/Iranians. Of course, they will go back to Iran because that's were they were born and raised.



    Religious minorities are given more freedom in regards to Alcohol consumption. In fact, if they pull you over and find Alcohol in your car, they will let you go if you are not a muslim. They are also allowed to take Alcohol to their gatherings in their clubs.





    No reason to apologize, we are just discussing and exchanging information. As for staying on the topic, I was merely responding to your own post.
    interesting about christians in Iran.
    here is another story:

    http://www.iranpressnews.com/source/207519.htm
    holiness is in the right action not in god .

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyvan_pars View Post
    interesting about christians in Iran.
    here is another story:

    http://www.iranpressnews.com/source/207519.htm
    This's surly true but I don't want to believe it . You don't see it in yourself to treat people like this , do you?
    Majority of people at home are just like you n me . We didn't and don't care what beliefs anyone had , did we? I grew up together with a Jewish friend who followed us everywhere even those places they served Nazry . People of this Nezam in power are committing these crimes. We should not blame and include Iranian people at home for it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadersan View Post
    This's surly true but I don't want to believe it . You don't see it in yourself to treat people like this , do you?
    Majority of people at home are just like you n me . We didn't and don't care what beliefs anyone had , did we? I grew up Jewish friend who followed us everywhere even those places they served Nazry . People of this Nezam in power are committing these crimes. We should not blame and include Iranian people at home for it .
    i don't see myself treating anyone like this, not even ape muslims.

    but the monkeys that allow their government to get away with this are just as guilty. I have said the same things when the population of US allowed Bush to invade Iraq. same scenario different governments.

    i include the iranian people at home for it. it is the government they elected. I blame the Canadian people for electing a celebrity as their prime minister. but it is all relative. at least our prime minister does not endorse torture and terrorism. He is just allowing a lot of people enter the country based on their race.
    holiness is in the right action not in god .

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    Mate , you are being unfair , people disappear permanently for writing an opinion in internet .
    The only protest they could do is not to vote for leader's choice . They don't gamble with their lives.
    You cannot compare the Nezam with democratic elected governments abroad .
    We are dealing with a dictatorship which is very rich not like any African poor dictator . That make them more brutal ,
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    Quote Originally Posted by keyvan_pars View Post
    interesting about christians in Iran.
    here is another story:

    http://www.iranpressnews.com/source/207519.htm
    IR might do and stand for a lot of international negative actions but one thing they can never take away from Iran and the Iranians (which is deeply rooted in our culture), and that is treating minorities differently. Counting out Bahais (who've received the biggest injustice), all other religious and ethnic minorities are treated exactly the same way as the Persian/Muslim majority. Only the Separatists use the discrimination excuse to justify their ideas/plans.

    This is something we Iranians have lived with through history until now and should be proud of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sly View Post
    IR might do and stand for a lot of international negative actions but one thing they can never take away from Iran and the Iranians (which is deeply rooted in our culture), and that is treating minorities differently. Counting out Bahais (who've received the biggest injustice), all other religious and ethnic minorities are treated exactly the same way as the Persian/Muslim majority. Only the Separatists use the discrimination excuse to justify their ideas/plans.

    This is something we Iranians have lived with through history until now and should be proud of.
    have you heard or read about afghans in concentration camps in khorasan and golestan provinces ?

    thousands of deportations of people who had lived in IR since pre islamic revolution ?

    you being a religious person, have not appreciated the religious discrimination and supression against kurds, turkmens, baluchistanis ????

    are you for real bro?

    i am not even going into specifics of hundreds of thousands of summary executions, rapes, assualts of communists, socialists, writers, monarchists ?

    really Sly jaan you need to get me some of the stuff you are on. looks like good weekend fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadersan View Post
    Mate , you are being unfair , people disappear permanently for writing an opinion in internet .
    The only protest they could do is not to vote for leader's choice . They don't gamble with their lives.
    You cannot compare the Nezam with democratic elected governments abroad .
    We are dealing with a dictatorship which is very rich not like any African poor dictator . That make them more brutal ,
    you can have it both ways.

    either you don't compare 'democratic' regimes with scum like KSA or IR or you do ?

    if you are rejecting those regimes and saying there are no comparisons then there is no thread here. on the other hand if you are saying 'it is pretty much the same' all over the world with minor tweaks here and there, there you need address the sheep or cow attitude of millions of citizens of IR.

    one way or the other.
    holiness is in the right action not in god .

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyvan_pars View Post
    i am not even going into specifics of hundreds of thousands of summary executions, rapes, assualts of communists, socialists, writers, monarchists ?
    Dude, let's not mix different things here. Yes, politically, even Muslims who've been working against IR have been executed. Not the least many journalists. So no difference between ethnic groups and Persians there. Compared to other nations where Kurds live, the Iranian Kurds have much more normal lives. There is nothing wrong with them unless they have been working politically against IR. No one (again with exception of Bahais) have been treated differently (let alone been prosecuted) only because they were peacefully practicing a certain religion or been from a certain ethnic group.

    As for Afghanis, Iran has been a shelter for them for decades! How many have been living and working there? How many Afghan children go to school in Iran?

    Let's not mix the facts here just to make a point. Because that will only complicate the discussion. Let's stick to the facts so we can learn something from each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyvan_pars View Post
    you can have it both ways.

    either you don't compare 'democratic' regimes with scum like KSA or IR or you do ?

    if you are rejecting those regimes and saying there are no comparisons then there is no thread here. on the other hand if you are saying 'it is pretty much the same' all over the world with minor tweaks here and there, there you need address the sheep or cow attitude of millions of citizens of IR.

    one way or the other.
    I really want to agree with you but have hard time condemning the entire nation


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sly View Post
    Dude, let's not mix different things here. Yes, politically, even Muslims who've been working against IR have been executed. Not the least many journalists. So no difference between ethnic groups and Persians there. Compared to other nations where Kurds live, the Iranian Kurds have much more normal lives. There is nothing wrong with them unless they have been working politically against IR. No one (again with exception of Bahais) have been treated differently (let alone been prosecuted) only because they were peacefully practicing a certain religion or been from a certain ethnic group.

    As for Afghanis, Iran has been a shelter for them for decades! How many have been living and working there? How many Afghan children go to school in Iran?

    Let's not mix the facts here just to make a point. Because that will only complicate the discussion. Let's stick to the facts so we can learn something from each other.
    again i quote your exact words so you don't say i am putting words in your mouth or misunderstand etc etc ...



    IR might do and stand for a lot of international negative actions but one thing they can never take away from Iran and the Iranians (which is deeply rooted in our culture), and that is treating minorities differently. Counting out Bahais (who've received the biggest injustice), all other religious and ethnic minorities are treated exactly the same way as the Persian/Muslim majority. Only the Separatists use the discrimination excuse to justify their ideas/plans.

    This is something we Iranians have lived with through history until now and should be proud of.
    what do you mean 'politically' ?

    you can politically suppress an ethnic community but 'socially' be proud of them ???? i am going to politically leave baluchestan in poverty but socially ??? support them

    Iranian kurds have been in constant turmoil since the 70s, there were huge massacres after the islamic revolution in kurdistan.

    sly jaan please understand history did not start when you started reading books and the news. I know in your religion 'you' are the center of the universe but reality is quite different.

    i really think you should really do more research in the topic above.
    holiness is in the right action not in god .

 

 

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