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Finally

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In case you have not seen this on CNN
[video=youtube;24R_hbts434]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=24R_hbts434[/video]
 
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If there are any brains in the intelligence world, that drone is not the real thing and who ever is taking info from it are getting false data.
بله
چنین چیزی هم امکان دارد که مثلا امریکاییها یک هواپیما با مشخصاتی که غیر از ان هواپیمای ارکیو 170 اصلی است را عمدا در ایران نشانده باشند
یا به شکلی هدایت کرده باشند که ایران انرا تسخیر کند
و معلومات غلط به چینی ها و ایرانی ها و روسها برسد
و لی چون مشخصات ار کیو 170 سری است نمی توان در مورد ان با قاطعیت این سناریو را قبول کرد
من در اولین پست هایم در همین ترید اشاره به این کردم
فکر کنم ایرانی ها همه این احتمالات را در نظر می گیرند
 

Natural

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wow the amount of time some people here spend just going back and forth like 5 year olds is amazing... hope you are comfortable in your under wares sitting in your parents basement... dont forget to take a shower once in a month.
 

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http://www.npr.org/2011/12/13/143595594/captured-drone-may-have-limited-benefit-for-iran

December 13, 2011
Iranian officials have crowed they are mining "priceless technological information" from a CIA spy drone that went down days ago inside Iran's borders, broadcasting triumphant images of what they said was the craft on state TV.

But many experts say the loss of the RQ-170 Sentinel drone — like the U-2 spy plane shot down over the Soviet Union in 1960 — may have more value as propaganda than as a treasure trove of technological secrets.

"Even if the Iranians have possession of a drone, that doesn't mean they will be able to exploit its technology," says Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute, a Virginia-based military and security think tank.

Iran says its technicians will use "reverse engineering" to produce an Iranian version, and that Russia and China are both vying to inspect the so-called unmanned aerial vehicle, or UAV. The U.S. says the drone went down because of a malfunction and has urged Iran to return it, which Iran has refused to do.

"It's not clear that they or any other adversaries we might face in the future will be materially advantaged in terms of being able to counter the stealth," Thompson says. "It's just intrinsically hard to track using radar."

Not So Cutting Edge?

The Sentinel also might not necessarily represent the most cutting-edge technology because such systems can take years from inception until they are operationally viable, says Thomas Donnelly, director of the Center for Defense Studies at the American Enterprise Institute.

In addition, defense planners likely took into account that the Sentinel would be operating in hostile territory and might fall into enemy hands, Donnelly says.

He says that's the same reason why U.S. military planners are careful about using more sophisticated military hardware, such as the F-22 Raptor, which also has stealth capabilities, for combat patrols over Afghanistan.

"It's a capability that is excessive for the mission," Donnelly says. "You save the crown jewels for when you really need them. The RQ-170 probably falls someplace in the middle of our technological capabilities."

When an F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter was shot down over Serbia in 1999, it was feared to be an "unmitigated disaster," says Jonathan Reed Winkler, a professor at Wright State University who specializes in foreign relations and military history.

But Winkler points out that the U.S. military had already been flying the craft for nearly two decades.

"These particular military technologies are not the most cutting edge. They are simply the ones that are operationally useful, and so are out in the field," he says.

Even so, suspicion persists that Beijing either temporarily acquired or at least got to study the F-117 wreckage and then used the information to help build a prototype stealth fighter, the Chengdu J-20. More recently, pieces of a U.S. stealth helicopter used in the May raid that killed Osama bin Laden were left behind in Pakistan despite attempts to blow up the wreckage. China has denied reports that Pakistan allowed it to examine the wreckage.

The Propaganda Payoff

Donnelly says there's no doubt that the Chinese and the Russians will be interested in getting a good look at the Sentinel, but "there's no single element to the technology that is the silver bullet."

"It's the software interfacing with control surfaces of the aircraft, which are made out of increasingly exotic materials, which require special manufacturing techniques and engineering skills — all of these things are the result of decades and decades of effort and a heck of a lot of money," he says.

The propaganda payoff, however, is immediate.

When the Soviets downed the U-2 spy plane and paraded its pilot, Francis Gary Powers, before the TV cameras, it was seen as a major propaganda victory. The Eisenhower administration had consistently denied that it had been conducting high-altitude missions to get a handle on the USSR's missile capabilities, and the U-2 incident proved that it had been lying.

The plane itself was little of little real value, being merely "a glider with cameras," says Dik Daso, a curator and aviation historian at the Smithsonian's Air and Space Museum.

"The real value in shooting down something like the U-2 or the F-117 is in showing that something that had been untouchable isn't," Daso says.

The Pueblo Crisis

By contrast, the 1968 capture of the American surveillance ship USS Pueblo by North Korea was a true intelligence and diplomatic disaster.

The lightly armed Pueblo was on a mission to listen in on North Korean communications when it was boarded and commandeered, says Mitch Lerner, author of The Pueblo Incident: A Spy Ship and the Failure of American Foreign Policy.

"The sophisticated radio gear and the cryptology that got into Soviet hands via the North Koreans was a significant loss," he says

The propaganda coup was even greater. North Korea held the entire crew — more than 80 Americans — for nearly a year before they were forced to sign confessions of espionage and released, Lerner says. To this day, North Korea is still mining the Pueblo for propaganda purposes, having turned the ship into a sort of floating museum outside Wonsan Harbor that was later moved to Pyongyang.

Unlike the U-2 and Pueblo incidents, the pilotless Sentinel had no crew to detain. But much like with the U-2, Tehran may find that the captured drone's greatest value is as evidence to bolster its claims that the CIA is conducting surveillance flights over Iran, the AEI's Donnelly says.

"In these days of YouTube, the Iranians have already probably gotten the maximum propaganda value out of showing this off on TV to the world," he says.
 
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http://www.npr.org/2011/12/13/143595594/captured-drone-may-have-limited-benefit-for-iran

December 13, 2011
Iranian officials have crowed they are mining "priceless technological information" from a CIA spy drone that went down days ago inside Iran's borders, broadcasting triumphant images of what they said was the craft on state TV.

But many experts say the loss of the RQ-170 Sentinel drone — like the U-2 spy plane shot down over the Soviet Union in 1960 — may have more value as propaganda than as a treasure trove of technological secrets.

"Even if the Iranians have possession of a drone, that doesn't mean they will be able to exploit its technology," says Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute, a Virginia-based military and security think tank.

Iran says its technicians will use "reverse engineering" to produce an Iranian version, and that Russia and China are both vying to inspect the so-called unmanned aerial vehicle, or UAV. The U.S. says the drone went down because of a malfunction and has urged Iran to return it, which Iran has refused to do.

"It's not clear that they or any other adversaries we might face in the future will be materially advantaged in terms of being able to counter the stealth," Thompson says. "It's just intrinsically hard to track using radar."

Not So Cutting Edge?

The Sentinel also might not necessarily represent the most cutting-edge technology because such systems can take years from inception until they are operationally viable, says Thomas Donnelly, director of the Center for Defense Studies at the American Enterprise Institute.

In addition, defense planners likely took into account that the Sentinel would be operating in hostile territory and might fall into enemy hands, Donnelly says.

He says that's the same reason why U.S. military planners are careful about using more sophisticated military hardware, such as the F-22 Raptor, which also has stealth capabilities, for combat patrols over Afghanistan.

"It's a capability that is excessive for the mission," Donnelly says. "You save the crown jewels for when you really need them. The RQ-170 probably falls someplace in the middle of our technological capabilities."

When an F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter was shot down over Serbia in 1999, it was feared to be an "unmitigated disaster," says Jonathan Reed Winkler, a professor at Wright State University who specializes in foreign relations and military history.

But Winkler points out that the U.S. military had already been flying the craft for nearly two decades.

"These particular military technologies are not the most cutting edge. They are simply the ones that are operationally useful, and so are out in the field," he says.

Even so, suspicion persists that Beijing either temporarily acquired or at least got to study the F-117 wreckage and then used the information to help build a prototype stealth fighter, the Chengdu J-20. More recently, pieces of a U.S. stealth helicopter used in the May raid that killed Osama bin Laden were left behind in Pakistan despite attempts to blow up the wreckage. China has denied reports that Pakistan allowed it to examine the wreckage.

The Propaganda Payoff

Donnelly says there's no doubt that the Chinese and the Russians will be interested in getting a good look at the Sentinel, but "there's no single element to the technology that is the silver bullet."

"It's the software interfacing with control surfaces of the aircraft, which are made out of increasingly exotic materials, which require special manufacturing techniques and engineering skills — all of these things are the result of decades and decades of effort and a heck of a lot of money," he says.

The propaganda payoff, however, is immediate.

When the Soviets downed the U-2 spy plane and paraded its pilot, Francis Gary Powers, before the TV cameras, it was seen as a major propaganda victory. The Eisenhower administration had consistently denied that it had been conducting high-altitude missions to get a handle on the USSR's missile capabilities, and the U-2 incident proved that it had been lying.

The plane itself was little of little real value, being merely "a glider with cameras," says Dik Daso, a curator and aviation historian at the Smithsonian's Air and Space Museum.

"The real value in shooting down something like the U-2 or the F-117 is in showing that something that had been untouchable isn't," Daso says.

The Pueblo Crisis

By contrast, the 1968 capture of the American surveillance ship USS Pueblo by North Korea was a true intelligence and diplomatic disaster.

The lightly armed Pueblo was on a mission to listen in on North Korean communications when it was boarded and commandeered, says Mitch Lerner, author of The Pueblo Incident: A Spy Ship and the Failure of American Foreign Policy.

"The sophisticated radio gear and the cryptology that got into Soviet hands via the North Koreans was a significant loss," he says

The propaganda coup was even greater. North Korea held the entire crew — more than 80 Americans — for nearly a year before they were forced to sign confessions of espionage and released, Lerner says. To this day, North Korea is still mining the Pueblo for propaganda purposes, having turned the ship into a sort of floating museum outside Wonsan Harbor that was later moved to Pyongyang.

Unlike the U-2 and Pueblo incidents, the pilotless Sentinel had no crew to detain. But much like with the U-2, Tehran may find that the captured drone's greatest value is as evidence to bolster its claims that the CIA is conducting surveillance flights over Iran, the AEI's Donnelly says.

"In these days of YouTube, the Iranians have already probably gotten the maximum propaganda value out of showing this off on TV to the world," he says.
از اینها بعید نیست که چند ماه دیگه بیان بگن ما مشابهش رو ساختیم
:work-hard:
 

Zob Ahan

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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...-Iran-hijacked-US-drone-says-Iranian-engineer


In an exclusive interview, an engineer working to unlock the secrets of the captured RQ-170 Sentinel says they exploited a known vulnerability and tricked the US drone into landing in Iran.

By Scott Peterson, Staff writer, Payam Faramarzi*, Correspondent / December 15, 2011



















Istanbul, Turkey


Iran guided the CIA's "lost" stealth drone to an intact landing inside hostile territory by exploiting a navigational weakness long-known to the US military, according to an Iranian engineer now working on the captured drone's systems inside Iran.








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Iranian electronic warfare specialists were able to cut off communications links of the American bat-wing RQ-170 Sentinel, says the engineer, who works for one of many Iranian military and civilian teams currently trying to unravel the drone’s stealth and intelligence secrets, and who could not be named for his safety.

Using knowledge gleaned from previous downed American drones and a technique proudly claimed by Iranian commanders in September, the Iranian specialists then reconfigured the drone's GPS coordinates to make it land in Iran at what the drone thought was its actual home base in Afghanistan.


IN PICTURES: America's Predator drones

"The GPS navigation is the weakest point," the Iranian engineer told the Monitor, giving the most detailed description yet published of Iran's "electronic ambush" of the highly classified US drone. "By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain."

The “spoofing” technique that the Iranians used – which took into account precise landing altitudes, as well as latitudinal and longitudinal data – made the drone “land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications” from the US control center, says the engineer.

The revelations about Iran's apparent electronic prowess come as the US, Israel, and some European nations appear to be engaged in an ever-widening covert war with Iran, which has seen assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists, explosions at Iran's missile and industrial facilities, and the Stuxnet computer virus that set back Iran’s nuclear program.

Now this engineer’s account of how Iran took over one of America’s most sophisticated drones suggests Tehran has found a way to hit back. The techniques were developed from reverse-engineering several less sophisticated American drones captured or shot down in recent years, the engineer says, and by taking advantage of weak, easily manipulated GPS signals, which calculate location and speed from multiple satellites.


RECOMMENDED: Downed US drone: How Iran caught the 'beast'

Western military experts and a number of published papers on GPS spoofing indicate that the scenario described by the Iranian engineer is plausible.

"Even modern combat-grade GPS [is] very susceptible” to manipulation, says former US Navy electronic warfare specialist Robert Densmore, adding that it is “certainly possible” to recalibrate the GPS on a drone so that it flies on a different course. “I wouldn't say it's easy, but the technology is there.”

In 2009, Iran-backed Shiite militants in Iraq were found to have downloaded live, unencrypted video streams from American Predator drones with inexpensive, off-the-shelf software. But Iran’s apparent ability now to actually take control of a drone is far more significant.

Iran asserted its ability to do this in September, as pressure mounted over its nuclear program.

Gen. Moharam Gholizadeh, the deputy for electronic warfare at the air defense headquarters of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), described to Fars News how Iran could alter the path of a GPS-guided missile – a tactic more easily applied to a slower-moving drone.



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shahinc

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Very Interesting but I have few questions and can not figure how they did.
First Saying replicating GPS signal is quite outrages :) because US military is not using CA code in GPS which anyone can duplicate. They are using the P-Code which is modulated for this same reason:

"To prevent unauthorized users from using or potentially interfering with the military signal through a process called spoofing, it was decided to encrypt the P-code. To that end the P-code was modulated with the W-code, a special encryption sequence, to generate the Y-code. The Y-code is what the satellites have been transmitting since the anti-spoofing module was set to the "on" state. The encrypted signal is referred to as the P(Y)-code."

Now, I know for a fact that no CIVILIAN company has been able to crack this and believe me, everyone and their dogs have been trying to do that because this is the Holy Grail of the high accuracy GPS navigation. There has been a constant effort by engineers and researches over past 35 years to do this. The closet anyone has come is to ignore the code all together and use various code less technique integrated by CA code and carrier phase measurements.

Now, jamming the GPA signal, I can see that and mentioned it earlier which then as the article said, puts the auto-piolet and navigation on the INS module.
But then my question is how did they manage to change the home coordinate in the INS software. In order to do that, they have to establish a link, send the right command , over ride any software security on those INS software ( there will be ton because we used to put ton for automated tractors and ...) and ...

As I said, earlier, nothing s impossible.
 
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Very Interesting but I
As I said, earlier, nothing s impossible.
جناب این پست هایی که پایین زدم پست های قبلی شما بود وقتی که من گفتم ایران هواپیما سیستم هواپیما را هک کرده چون صحیح و سالم نشسته

Motori Jan

In baba asslan nemifahmeh ke jaryan chi hast :) vaghean feker mikoni ke remote control mesleh in asbab bazi hast , migeh Irani ha code to hack kardan :) Ajab :)
اینجا جوابت به پرفسورت جناب موتوری است

Originally Posted by Motori

But people with a tad of basic radar jamming knowledge know that jamming apparatus can not be used to fool GPS/INS encrypted signals and bring home a UAV. If they could, then why not bring a Global Hawk or Reaper down which has far more strategic intelligence value than RQ-170 which nothing but a tactical intelligence UM aerial platform?
Nicely Said. The problem here is that Capitan Sogoli has to spend hours on google to understand what INS means before he can begin to understand what you are talking about
اینجا گفتی این چیزی که من میگم بسیار غیر ممکن است
:hau:



اشتر جان میشه برای این گی پی اک توضیح بیشتر بدی !! ما که زبان این جاندار رو نمیفهمیم شاید شما بهتر بتونی حالیش کنی که چرا این یک چیز بسیار غیر ممکنی هست .
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اینجا من را مسخره کردی و گفتی هک کردن ممکن نیست و حرف من را مسخره و خنده دار می دانی
:motor:


گی پی اک ، سوگلی

LOOOOOL, Is this the best evidence you can bring ??
Yes, I am convinced that this plane was hacked because Fareed in CNN said, "There is a possibility" that this happened and "Bob" from CNN also thinks there is possibility !!
How can that NOT be true ?
It is from CNN and they are always right? How can it be wrong if it is in CNN ??یا حسین ، در این ماه مباطبق آخرین اخبار از دفتر مرکزی سپاه ، بعد از هک موافقیت آمیز درون آمریکایی با عنایات امام حسین ، دلیران سپاه پاسداران روی برناهه هک کردن
حالا بیا یک کو*** دیگه هم بگو که ما قبل از این که بریم بخوابیم یک کمی دیگه هم بخندیم
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بقیه پست هایت هم به همین منوال در اخر که دیدی حتی خود امریکاییها اعتراف کرده اند که هک شده امده ای و می گویی

Very Interesting but I
As I said, earlier, nothing s impossible.
Yes you said LOOOOOOOOOOOOL :shocked:
 
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[video=youtube;tGpby6z0NWY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGpby6z0NWY&feature=related[/video]
GP,
1-It says it e.v.t. ran out of fuel like I said.
2-It also says it is not clear that the drown was operating in Iran or Afganestan.
Read your post again
جناب
این حرف شما از نظر تاریخی و جغرافیای هم منطقی نیست
چرا در عرض این پنج شش سال یکی از اینها راهش را گم نکرد برود طرف چین یا تاجیکستان یا ازبکستان یا ترکمنستان یا پاکستان همینطوری امدو صحیح و سالم راه را گم کرد و رفت تو بغل پاسداران ؟
چرا در عرض این چند سال بنزین تمام نکرد و بیافتد روی سر طالبان ؟
بعد از ان اگر امریکاییها تا این اندازه احمق بودند که نداند چه اندازه سوخت برای گشت از پیش تعیین شده هواپیمایشان احتیاج است
که امریکا نمی شد
باز چطور راه را گم کرد همانوقتی که بنزین تمام کرد و رفت نشت جایی که رتش ایران قبل از اینکه امریکا بتواند عکس العملی نشان دهد انرا قاپیدند ؟
ان هم به این دست نخوردگی
به نظر من این نظریه اصلا منطقی نیست
 
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[video=youtube;tGpby6z0NWY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGpby6z0NWY&feature=related[/video]
GP,
1-It says it e.v.t. ran out of fuel like I said.
2-It also says it is not clear that the drown was operating in Iran or Afganestan.
Read your post again
جناب
این حرف شما از نظر تاریخی و جغرافیای هم منطقی نیست
چرا در عرض این پنج شش سال یکی از اینها راهش را گم نکرد برود طرف چین یا تاجیکستان یا ازبکستان یا ترکمنستان یا پاکستان همینطوری امدو صحیح و سالم راه را گم کرد و رفت تو بغل پاسداران ؟
چرا در عرض این چند سال بنزین تمام نکرد و بیافتد روی سر طالبان ؟
بعد از ان اگر امریکاییها تا این اندازه احمق بودند که نداند چه اندازه سوخت برای گشت از پیش تعیین شده هواپیمایشان احتیاج است
که امریکا نمی شد
باز چطور راه را گم کرد همانوقتی که بنزین تمام کرد و رفت نشت جایی که رتش ایران قبل از اینکه امریکا بتواند عکس العملی نشان دهد انرا قاپیدند ؟
ان هم به این دست نخوردگی
به نظر من این نظریه اصلا منطقی نیست
جناب
این مال زمانی است که هنوز ایران هواپیما را نشان نداده بود و خیلی ها فکر میکردند هواپیما نابود شده
و می توان اگر سناریو بنزین و سقوط کردند و تکه تکه شدن در مرز را به مردم قبولاند ولی بعد از اینکه ایران هواپیما را به معرض تماشای جهانیان گذاشت
به نظز می رسد سناریو سقوط کردن در مرز یا بنزین عاقلانه نیست
بنزین تمام کرده یکراست امده نشسته جایی که نمی بایستی می نشسته
خوب اگر بنزین تمام کرده که بقیه دستگاهای ایمنی از بین نرفته که کورکورانه بیاید و در فرودگاه ایران بنشیند
همچنین هواپیما متعلق به سی ای ایه است نه ارتش امریکا و باز عاقلانه نیست که چنین هواپیمایی با این امکانات در اختیار سیا قرار گرفته که در مرزهای شمال غرب افغانستان جاسوسی کند
 

The_Referee

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جناب
این مال زمانی است که هنوز ایران هواپیما را نشان نداده بود و خیلی ها فکر میکردند هواپیما نابود شده
و می توان اگر سناریو بنزین و سقوط کردند و تکه تکه شدن در مرز را به مردم قبولاند ولی بعد از اینکه ایران هواپیما را به معرض تماشای جهانیان گذاشت
به نظز می رسد سناریو سقوط کردن در مرز یا بنزین عاقلانه نیست
بنزین تمام کرده یکراست امده نشسته جایی که نمی بایستی می نشسته
خوب اگر بنزین تمام کرده که بقیه دستگاهای ایمنی از بین نرفته که کورکورانه بیاید و در فرودگاه ایران بنشیند
همچنین هواپیما متعلق به سی ای ایه است نه ارتش امریکا و باز عاقلانه نیست که چنین هواپیمایی با این امکانات در اختیار سیا قرار گرفته که در مرزهای شمال غرب افغانستان جاسوسی کند



سردار

میگی مخالف رژیمی و آزادیخواه و از این چرت و پرت ها.
گیریم که یه موفقیتی مثل این برای ارتش و سپاه نصیب شده. حالا اینکه این به اعتبار رژیم می افزاید یا نه بماند. اما میبینی که برای چیزهائی از این قبیل که یک اپسیلون اعتبار برای رژیم ایجاد میکنه چنان حشری میشی و بالا و پائین میپری و به وجد می آئی که آدم بعضی وقتها خیال میکنه کار پسرخاله خودته. اما وقتی بحث جنایتهای رژیمه ساکت میشی و لام تا کام خفه ای. بعد فکر میکنی همه پپه و بیمارند:


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گیریم که یه موفقیتی مثل این برای ارتش و سپاه نصیب شده. حالا اینکه این به اعتبار رژیم می افزاید یا نه بماند. اما میبینی که برای چیزهائی از این قبیل که یک اپسیلون اعتبار برای رژیم ایجاد میکنه چنان حشری میشی و بالا و پائین میپری و به وجد می آئی که آدم بعضی وقتها خیال میکنه کار پسرخاله خودته. اما وقتی بحث جنایتهای رژیمه ساکت میشی و لام تا کام خفه ای. بعد فکر میکنی همه پپه و بیمارند:







جناب
این افتخاری برای ایرانی است کاری به رژیم هم ندارد
زمان هیتلر المانها اکتشافات و اختراعات زیادی داشتند هیتلر و نازی ها رفتند ولی هنوز اختراعات دوران نازی را مردم جهان افتخارات المان می دانند نه هیتلر و گوبلز و گورینگ
این کار یعنی نشاندن پیشرفته ترین هواپیمای جهان بوسیله ایرانی ها به نظر من یک افتخار بزرگ برای عقل و هوش ایرانی است
خوب من بیایم و بخاطر اینکه ضد رژیم هستم اب در اسیاب عربها و غربی ها بریزم و از کله پوکی ایرانیان و احمقی اخوند و کارها زشت و ناهنجار برخی از ایرانیان ویدئو بزنم و به قول شما حشری بشوم ؟
نه من هیچوقت این کار را نمیکنم
من می رروم در فورمهای عربی و می بینم در مورد ایرانیان چه می گویند
و بعد از این پایین اوردن هواپیما هم رفتم ودیدم چه می گویند
از مراکش گرفته تا عربستان و همه در فورمهای خود در این مورد صحبت میکنند
وقتی میبینم یک الجزائری به یک عربستانی که از غصه دق کرده می گوید : اینها فارس هستند اینها نیمی از جهان را زیر سلطه خود داشتند فکر میکنی مثل ما اعراب تنها غمشان بالا و پایین نافشان است
یا ان یکی که افتخار میکند که پدر پدر بزرگش ایرانی بوده
و دها پست دیگر
البته حشری می شوم
وقتی می بینم اگر یک ایرانی کار احمقانه ای کرد اینها خوشحال می شوند و جارچی در میکنند
البته من از چنین حادثه ای یعنی تسخیر این هواپیما به خودم می بالم
اینها برایشان فرقی نمیکند که خمینی باشد شاه باشد یا رجوی و یا فلان سکولار و ناسیونالیست
من این را به پای نبوغ ایرانی میگذارم نه رژیم اگر رژیم دیگری هم بود سکولار سلطنتی و یا هرچه دیگر و در تنگناه قرار گرفته بود باز ایرانی نبوغ خودش را نشان میداد
ما خودمان یک زمانی دها قوم و ملل گوناگون را اجیر کرده بودیم و امر و نهی میکردیم
حالا امریکا از ان طرف دنیا بیاید و برای ما تکلیف تعیین کند
من این را قبول ندارم و هر ایرانی ازاده هم می بایستی انرا قبول نکند
امریکا چکار دارد که ما نیروگاه اتمی داشته باشیم یا نداشته باشیم
از پیشرفت های ایران در هر صنعت و هنری هم به قول جنابعالی حشری می شوم


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این همه خذعبل گفتی که از زیر جواب به این شر و ورت فرارکنی:

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این نه تنها در بین ما ایرانی ها وجود دارد بلکه یک مرض انسانی است که بیش از 99 درصد از مردم ازان رنج می برند

خودتی عزیز.

تو اگه به ایران و ایرانی بودن افتخار میکردی که به انسانیت چنین توهینی رو نمیکردی​
 
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این همه خذعبل گفتی که از زیر جواب به این شر و ورت فرارکنی:



خودتی عزیز.

تو اگه به ایران و ایرانی بودن افتخار میکردی که به انسانیت چنین توهینی رو نمیکردی​
جناب ریفری
این جمله من چه ربطی به توهین به ایرانی و غیر ایرانی دارد
منظور از جمله را نمیفهمی بگو تا برایت شرح بدهم
منظور این است که نود و نو در صد از مردم پیرو هستند
و از افکار دیگران استفاده میکنند و در مورد چیزی که می خوانند یا می بینند مستقل نمی اندیشند
اندیشه هایشان را از باورهایشان یا از باورهای انهایی که همفکرشان هستند سرچشمه میگیرند
تازه نود و نو درصد هم خیلی زیاد است می بایستی میگفتم هزار نفری یک نفر
اگر اینطور نبود می دیدید در هر گوچه و برزن یک رهبر بود و یک فیلسوف و دو تا نویسنده و چهار تا شاعر و بیست تا متفکر وجود دارد
 
نه جناب، معنی جمله رو فهمیدیم. فقط میخاستیم بدونیم شما خودترو جزو ۹۹% میشماری یا ۱%؟ باز خودت رو زدی به کوچه علی چپ، و با کمال بی شرفی از جواب دادن فرار میکنی.

ای بزدل

البته ما خودمون میدونیم شما خودتو جزو ۱% میبینی فقط میخاستم بار دیگه روتو اندازه بگیریم
:)
بیخیال، از تو چیز دیگری انتظار نمیرفت
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نه جناب، معنی جمله رو فهمیدیم. فقط میخاستیم بدونیم شما خودترو جزو ۹۹% میشماری یا ۱%؟ باز خودت رو زدی به کوچه علی چپ، و با کمال بی شرفی از جواب دادن فرار میکنی.

ای بزدل

البته ما خودمون میدونیم شما خودتو جزو ۱% میبینی فقط میخاستم بار دیگه روتو اندازه بگیریم
:)
بیخیال، از تو چیز دیگری انتظار نمیرفت
.
جناب
این برداشت شما بوده که فکر میکنید من خودم را جزو یک درصد می دانم
و چرا توهین میکنی ؟
مگر نمی توانی بدون توهین سئوال کنی ؟