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May 9, 2004
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What is the argument here? How the uav was lost, if Iran has possession or the military significance of the loss? The loss of sensitive military hardware is a common occurrence and they plan for it. An F-117, the pinnacle of stealth technology, was shut down in Yugoslavia in 1999 with very little damage. The serbs invited the Russians to come and take a look. It is now 12 years. Do Russians have stealth? If an intact F-117 didn't help Russians, this little RC plane is not going to protect the akhunds.

Yes
بله جناب
نه تنها روسیه بلکه چین هم الان از تکنولوژی که در هواپیماهای استلث امریکایی استفاده می شد برخوردار هستند
البته ایران هم چنین ادعای را کرده که باورکردنش مشکل است ولی روسها به این تکنولوژی دست یافته اند
وشاید به خاطر همان هدیه صربها بوده که روسها به این تکنولوزی دست یافته اند
 
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به نظر می رسد ایران در خود افغانستان و یا حتی پاکستان دستگاهایی نصب کرده باشد که بتوانند برای این نوع هواپیماها اشکال بوجود بیاورند
شاید به این خاطر بوده که در ان بیانیه تهدید به حمله برون مرزی به انها کرده است
همچنین وقتی گفته ان را فرود اورده ایم و از کنترل خارج کرده ایم حتما بوسیله دستگاهای ضد این نوع هواپیماهای کنترل از راه دور بوده است
یعنی کد نشست و برخاست این نوع هواپیما ها را به شکلی باز کرده باشند
این برای امریکا خیلی خطرناک است
فکر کنم حداقل امریکا سعی میکند این هواپیما را در ایران رد یابی کند و انرا منهدم کند
شاید به همین خاطر ایران یک هفته بعد از اینکه این هواپیما را گرفت اعلام کرد تا انرا مجزا کنند دستگاهایی رد یاب انرا خنثی تا امریکایی ها نتوانند رد انرا بیابند
 

Flint

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#23
Russians make jetliners too. You wanna fly on them? They are lousy copiers. Just read about TU-144, the Concorde wannabe. I am not denying that CIA would rather have that uav back but fact is this is not a game changer. What uavs have done is that you can now routinely violate national air spaces with impunity even if found out. Back in the 60s, the world came close to a world war over the U2 incident.
 
Jun 18, 2005
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Well fox news is quoting US military sources that Iran indeed has possession of the drone. Now by missing they did not specify the actual drone or shattered pieces.
 
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Actually Fox News says Iranians have the intact drone because when the thing loses contact its programmed to fly level and find a safe place to land. Well thats a very stupid design...military sources saying its a huge catch for Iran
 
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Apparently the thing is so secret the USAF has not published any photos of it. There are some leaked pictures. It sorta looks like a B2 stealth bomber.
 
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Russians make jetliners too. You wanna fly on them? They are lousy copiers. Just read about TU-144, the Concorde wannabe. I am not denying that CIA would rather have that uav back but fact is this is not a game changer. What uavs have done is that you can now routinely violate national air spaces with impunity even if found out. Back in the 60s, the world came close to a world war over the U2 incident.
جناب
شما فرمودید در سال 1999 استلت سقوط کرد صربها دادن به روسها از این روسها چه نتیجه گرفتند
من گفتم تقریبا ده سال بعد هواپیمای استلث مخصوص خودشان را ساختند
حالا این هواپیما در سطح نوع امریکایی اش نباشد به تکنولوژی خود روسها بستگی دارد ولی نتیجه ان است که از تکنولوژی ان استفاده کرده اند
 
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Actually Fox News says Iranians have the intact drone because when the thing loses contact its programmed to fly level and find a safe place to land. Well thats a very stupid design...military sources saying its a huge catch for Iran
من فکر نکنم چنین چیزی باشد
چون اگر اینطور بود تا الان دها نوع از این هواپیما به این شکل یک جایی نشسته بود
من فکر میکنم ایران توانسته کد نشست این نوع هواپیماها را به شکلی باز کند
یا شاید به شکلی روی موتور انها تاثیر بگذارد که باعث سقوط یا فرود انها شود و همانطور که من گفتم الان فوکس نیوز هم گفت که این برای امریکا بسیار گران تمام خواهد شد
این درست مثل یافتن یک معدن طلا برای کسی است که دنبال اهن خورده می گردد
و فکر کنم الان روسها و چینی ها صف کرفته اند تا از این طعمه نصیبی ببرند
 
Jun 18, 2005
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I dont understand your reasoning. They are pretty much saying it is pretty rare for one of these to lose contact. I do not believe in coincidences so Iranians probably jammed the signals and the craft landed as it was programmed too.

Either way a missile base by Iran was blown up in return the get a nice toy to play with.
 
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I dont understand your reasoning. They are pretty much saying it is pretty rare for one of these to lose contact. I do not believe in coincidences so Iranians probably jammed the signals and the craft landed as it was programmed too.

Either way a missile base by Iran was blown up in return the get a nice toy to play with.
جناب
این هواپیما اتصالش را با مقر هدایت از دست نداده
همان سیگنالهایی را که می بایستی از مقراصلی دریافت کند را از داخل ایران گرفته و به ان طرف حرکت کرده!!!ا
درمورد موشک امکان پذیر نیست که با موشک هدف قرار گرفته باشد حداقل تا انجا که من خبر دارم ایران چنین موشکهایی را ندارد

 
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یک چیز دیگر هم من به ذهنم رسید
بعید نیست خود امریکاییها انرا به طرف ایران هدایت کرده باشند و خواسته خود انها بوده که ایران ان را شکار کند !!!!آ
حالا چرا ؟
انرا


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shahinc

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I am really surprised that these planes don't have self destruct mode build in them. I know for fact that most US army loves redundancy in place for many of their navigation units and ... so this comes as a shock to me.
 

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Some update"Update Dec. 5, 7:20 p.m. Even if the Iranians did capture an intact RQ-170 — 50-percent likely, according to some experts — there’s little to learn from reverse-engineering it, as the drone’s sensors are already outdated, according to Sweetman and Dave Fulghum, writing in Aviation Week. “Systems now moving into an operational role [that] are scores of times more effective than the [RQ-170] Sentinel’s full-motion video,” they wrote. “Now, the single-sensor capability is being multiplied by 65 times, resulting in an exponential increase in data.”http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/did-iran-capture-a-u-s-stealth-drone-intact/AndThe US Air Force has never released an official picture of the RQ-170, but we can be sure the the UAV in the IRNA article is not it. The IRNA photo instead is a stock image of the BAE Systems Raven delta wing demonstrator, an aircraft that was retired more than seven years ago. http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/12/breaking-iran-claims-rq-170-ki.html
 
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A stealth US drone that crashed in Iran last week was part of a Central Intelligence Agency reconnaissance mission which involved both intelligence community and military personnel stationed in Afghanistan, two U.S. officials tell CNN. The officials said they did not believe the mission involved flying the drone directly over Iran because the reconnaissance capability of the-RQ 170 drone allows it to gather information from inside Iran while remaining on the Afghanistan side of the border. The officials also for the first time acknowledged to CNN it was an RQ-170 drone that was lost.When the drone crashed in Iran late last week, the U.S. briefly considered all potential options for retrieving the drone or bombing the wreckage, according to a third official. But those ideas were relatively quickly discarded as impractical, the official said. There was also satellite surveillance over the site which helped confirm the location of the wreckage before the Iranians retrieved it.All of the officials have direct knowledge of the events, but spoke on the condition of anonymity because of sensitive intelligence matters. CIA officials have declined to comment.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/06/downed-drone-was-on-cia-mission/?hpt=hp_t2
 
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این امریکاییها سالها زحمت می کشند شبانه روز دانشمندانشان کار میکننند تا چنین تکنولوژی هایی را مثل ستلت و این هواپیما راا بدست بیاورند
روسیه و چین منتظر هستند یکی از اینها را ایران یا صربیا بگیره و تحویل انها بدهد
حتما ایران چند مدت دیگر می اید و می گوید ما شبیهه این را ساختیم و به حزب الله تحویل دادیم