توصیف فردوسی*** در مورد محمد و دزدان مدینه

Jun 9, 2004
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Seyyed vaagheyat ine ke to harfi vaase goftan nadaari. Behet migam Mani, zood miri bebini too google chi dar moredesh peydaa mikoni, migam shariati, miri google, migam kooft, google, migam zahre maar, google...
The audacity of anyone to check the teachings of the great filsooph Chinaski against published and generally accepted information. :hau:

From this day forth, we shall make the use of google, wiki and any books haram and let only Chinaski's words and teachings reverberate in our minds and touch our souls. :pray:
 
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Harki ke ye dotaa selloole saalem too maghzesh vojood daashte baashe mibine che avaam faribe maar sefati hasti to, va man chaghadr daaram say mikonam toye bisavaado aadam hesaab konam, vaasat tozih bedam, ketaab vaasat scan konam...be har haal dide mishe, ooni ke vaaghean fekr mikone to baa oon do khati haaye jafanget komaki be has kardi, baa oon bahsi nist, chon zehniatesh nemitoone saalem o manteghi baashe, vali ooni ke vaaghean edaalat o sedaaghat daare, mibine ke to dar vaagheh harfi vaase goftan nadaari seyyed :)
 
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LOL. Azeez in source to keh 1700 saal bad az marge Mani neveshteh shodeh va taghriban 1000 saal bad az Shahnameh. Taa footnote 4 ham keh ziad bahsi toosh nist. What's doktor Zarrinkoob's source for the rest of his information? Where's the footnote for that next section? Nevermind the usual criticisms of his work as being historically inaccurate and tainted by ultra nationalist tendencies. Oh, yeah I forgot, if it doesn't agree with your e-skan collection it's rubbish said by some biasavad idiot and should be haram! Be ghole khodet anyone with half a brain would check multiple sources for their information before developing such a wide ranging perspective on Ferdowsi.

Here's account of Mani from Socrates and Sozomenus Ecclesiastical Histories written less than two centuries after Mani's death and readily available online (i.e. for those with half a brain who like to refer to something other than your e-skans for their information). The account is very similar to Ferdowsi's which was written centuries later (although he only mentions that he was "bought" and doesn't get into his ethnic origin, which Ferdowsi does - on the other hand, Ferdowsi doesn't mention the specific reason he was called in front of the king, whereas SoC does):

"A certain woman at whose house he [Terebinthus (if interested in who this character was, read the previous section] had lodged buried him, and taking possession of his property, bought a boy about seven years old whose name was Cubricus: this lad she enfranchised, and having given him a liberal education, she soon after died, leaving him all that belonged to Terebinthus, including the books he had written on the principles inculcated by Scythian. Cubricus, the freedman, taking these things with him and having withdrawn into the regions of Persia, changed his name, calling himself Manes; and disseminated the books of Buddas or Terebinthus among his deluded followers as his own... Now the contents of these treatises apparently agree with Christianity in expression, but are pagan in sentiment: for Manichæus being an atheist, incited his disciples to acknowledge a plurality of gods, and taught them to worship the sun. He also introduced the doctrine of Fate, denying human free-will; and affirmed a transmutation230 of bodies, clearly following the opinions of Empedocles, Pythagoras, and the Egyptians. He 26denied that Christ existed in the flesh, asserting that he was an apparition; and rejected moreover the law and the prophets, calling himself the ‘Comforter,’—all of which dogmas are totally at variance with the orthodox faith of the church. In his epistles he even dared to call himself an apostle; but for a pretension so unfounded he brought upon himself merited retribution in the following manner.

The son of the Persian monarch having been attacked with disease, his father became anxious for his recovery, and left no means untried in order to effect it; and as he had heard of the wonder-working of Manichæus, and thinking that these miracles were real, he sent for him as an apostle, trusting that through him his son might be restored. He accordingly presented himself at court, and with his assumed manner undertook the treatment of the young prince. But the king seeing that the child died in his hands shut up the deceiver in prison, with the intention of putting him to death. However, he contrived to escape, and fled into Mesopotamia; but the king of Persia having discovered that he was dwelling there, caused him to be brought thence by force, and after having flayed him alive, he stuffed his skin with chaff, and suspended it in front of the gate of the city. These things we state not having manufactured them ourselves, but collected from a book entitled The disputation of Archelaus bishop of Caschara (one of the cities of Mesopotamia). For Archelaus himself states that he disputed with Manichæus face to face, and mentions the circumstances connected with his life to which we have now alluded."
 
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looool, footenote? seyyed khejaalat bekesh, mage oon footnote ke masalan neveshte "tabari, jelde 10, safe 548" be che darde to khorde ke baghiash bokhore? loool. Dige kafgir be tahe dig khorde be pet pet oftaadi? Baashe haalaa sare forsat,shaayad fardaa yaa pasfardaa oon footnote ro ham behet bedam ke dige bahoone vaase jafang gooi nadaashte baashi....looooool footnote hehe. Engaar haalaa age foot note haaro hamaro daashte baashe, na inke hameye oon source haaro khoonde, mitoone jaryaan ro behtar befahme... vaaghean ke vaghigh seyyed :)

zemnan, in quote ke az socrates aavordi, aslan gharaare chiro be man neshoon bede? Socrates ye movarrekhe kelisaai bood, kheyli kootaah o mokhtasar ye seri mozakhraf dar morede Mani gofteh ziaadam toolesh nadaade. Khob, mozakhraf mage kam gofteh mishe? Shariati ham be gofteye baziaa yek motefakker ke na, yek filsoof boode. Kelissaaye masihi az Mani mitarside chon mazhabesh yeki az bozorgtarin mazaahebe jahaan shode boode, az Marraakesh taa Chin mellionhaa be Mani roo aavorde boodan chon mazhabesh yek haalate international daasht, chekidei az zartoshti, masihiat, mazhabe boodaa va aain o rosoome baabeli boode. Vaghti migam bisavaadi hamchin az baabel harf mizani o migi ketaab be syriac neveshte bood ke engaar oonam ye loolookhor khore boode, na seyyed chenin naboode. Be modate sad haa saal ketaab haaye sarzamine maa be zabaane baabeli neveshte mishode, shah haaye maa baabeli o syrica ham balad boodan, che dar zamaane hakhaamaneshi, che dar zamaane ashkaanian va che dar zamaane saasanian. Zabaan va khate baabel o aashoor too iran hamishe ravaaj daashteh. Aslan che rabti daare? Yeki oon footnote haaye birabtet haalaa ham in? :)

Bebin Seyyed az doraane Mani va az doraani ke tarafdaaraanesh maanande Mazdakian o Khoramdinan (ke albateh khodeshoon ham Mazdaki boodan) baa araab mobaarezeye physiki, mazhabi o farhangi mikardan, khode taarikh daanaane arab o irooni oon zamoon be andaazeye kaafi neveshtan (masalan Tabari). Haalaa to rafti yek keshishe masihi ro peydaa kardi ke oomade ye jafangi dar morede Mani neveshte ke betooni ye joori in jaryaano maast maali koni? Seyyed too internet age vaght bezaari, hatman yekiram peydaa mikoni ke miaad mige khomeini yek filsoof boode, hitler ham hich yahoodi ro nakoshte, Stalin ham kheyli khosh zogh o ensaan doost boode...

Bahs ro nemizaaram eyne in bache mosalmoonaa avaz koni seyyed, Mani harche boode, kessi boode ke be farhang o honar o zabaane in mamlekat khedmat karde va be khosoos sorood haaye zibaaye mani va tarafdaaraanesh baaes shode ke mano to hanooz ghaader baashim farsi sohbat konim, na ye ketaabe gholombe solombeye Ferdosi ke hamin emrooz ham kamtar kessi mishine bekhoonatesh che berese oon zamaan ke iran zire solteye arab boode o hichki dastresi be in ketaab nadaashte. Aakhe shomaahaa seyyedaa aghletoono az kojaa aavordid? Kodoom mantegh be shomaa haa gofte ketaabi ke aslan dar dastrese aksariate mardom nist, mitoone zabooneshoono nejaat bede?!

To quote a christian biblic historian shows how illiterate you are in this regard. Mani was hated by the Christian churche of rome because he was becoming a real threat. From what i have read here and there, there are people who say his religion could easily become the world leading religion instead of christianity. St. Augustine, one of the most important and highest christian priests in north africa was a Mani follower for 10 years. After he -under pressure of catholic churche- abbondened Mani, he all of a sudden started to fight Mani and Manichaeism. Christian churche was afraid of Manichaeism because it was more reasonable, written by a intellectualy absolute superor man to Jesus. A religion which was dangerous because it had merged so many other aspects of other religions like Zartoshti o Buddism that people started to follow him in bunches. As i said from North Africa to China. Its once again ironical that in no country, he himself and his followers were attacked and killed like his home country persia. Hamoon baraa dar koshiye dirine ke hanoozam too iran dide mishe. Hamoon khiaanti ke be Babak o Maziar ham shod...
Man kollan va serfan aslan be mazhabesham kaari nadaaram, chon kollan refighe mazaaheb nistam, chon hamashoon ye jaa sooti midan ke aadam betoone angosht roosh bezaare o bol begire, hattaa mazhabe Zartosht, hattaa mazhabe Mani.

Seyyed, faghat mikhaam behet begam dar morede Mani o Manichaeism too hamoon Internet ham ziaad neveshteh shode, injaa vaase man az doshmanaane bozorgesh ke azash mitarsidan quote nayaar. :)

Az mani faghat va faghat araabe mosalmoon, keshish haaye kelissaaye masih va mobedine zartoshti mitarsidan chon manaafeshoon ro dar khatar mididan. Age be Mardom bood o Mani ro vel mikardan, alaan az europa, shomaale africa taa Chin mellat Maanavi miboodan. Haalaa be har haal, to ke bisavaadi, inaaro daaram be daro divaar migam, vali aslan mazhab o raahe mazhabiye Mani mohem nist. Mohem dar in bahs Kaariye ke Mani az nazare farhangi baraaye Iran karde va oon ketaab haash hast va be khosoos sher haa va sorood haash ke hamoontor ke goftam engahdr zibaa bood ke araab ro shegeft angiz mikard va kaari karde bood ke inaa rafte rafte az khosoomat baa zaboone farsi taa hodoode besyaari dast bardaashtan. Bale, Jenaabe Ferdosi faghat be khaatere vojoode amsaale Mani o Zandigh o nakisaa ghaader be sokhan goftan be zaboone Parsi bood, vagarna khodesham baayad arabi harf mizad seyyed :)
 
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Dear General,

I think due to your favoritism towards Islam and what it holds in regards and against poets and works such as Ferdosi you seem to have a bias view towards his work. When indicating about him becoming more mature you have to keep in mind that someone even at later ages and experience can become more mature and knowledgeable in a certain field or change their ideology. Now if Ferdosi liked Islam so much and praised it he could of written thousands of lines for Ali and Rasool and all other figures of those times. As where we see what he refers to the Islamic invasion and the results of it at the end of his book!!! You also have to keep in mind he is such a capable poet that by far can write books for the Islamic figures but chooses to only give them a few lines because he merely does not care and has to do this to get his work out. You have to agree with the rulers and their beliefs in appearance to be able to show your work. When you read his passion and love towards Iranian characters its obvious on how he felt about them and how he felt about the invading forces. Do you really think he liked the invading forces and the attack of the Muslims? If it was something good and liked by him then it would have been mentioned as something good. But yet its only seen as a bad event that has brought nothing but misery. Please see the first clip on this post again to get his true sentiments when it comes to the Arabic invaders. If Ferdosi was such a Muslim (Shiite) he could of definitely written about Ali and his atrocities in Persia and what he did. But no he does not go to any of that and decides to end the story at a certain point. That to any reader is mere proof of his stance on this subject. This is not something that he comes out and clearly says but various factors have to be looked upon to realize where he is coming from and what his take and stance on this whole matter is. I also have to note that because of your stance of Islam and how you view it you tend to give favoritism to portraying Ferdosi as a Muslim (Shiite) which is not true. You are doing exactly what you are saying that should not be done. Because you do not agree with some of his works you are showing or attempting to show him as something which he was not.
Ferdosi is a writer of Epic and Pahlevani and having honor. You think he gives respect and would follow the likes of Muhammad and Ali when all he stands for is "Marame Pahlevani" and helping those in need and being a good clean person. The Islamic prophet and the follower and the invader lack all these characteristics. You cannot come and say Ferdosi shared their beliefs and had their religion when the makeup of what he stands for and worked his whole life for is totally against what they are.
 
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blah, blah, blah...
Honestly dude, I don't have time or energy to read your long bi-saro-tah posts. You didn't even have an argument to lose it, but you're right... Mammad went to the cave and came back an idiot making all those who follow him or write about him idiots, Mani went to the cave and came back a prophet making you a philosopher writing about him and Ferdowsi and Socrates (of C) liars and idiots to say otherwise. This has indeed been another educational exchange. :rolleyes:

Although, like I said I do appreciate the entertainment and comic value, so roll another fat one, go sit by Jet D'Eau and see what other material you can come up with. :p
 
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Na seyyed, moshkele to az jaaye dige aab mikhore. Moshkele to ine ke to taghriban moratab dar bahs haai sherkat mikoni ke hich etelaaye ghabli ar morede mozoo nadaari, va be khaatere hamin ham be koso sher gooi miofti. Khob in alaan baraa man roshan shode ke kessei ke Shariati baraash at least " yek maghze motefakker boode (yani almost a philosopher), keshesh o gonjaayeshe maghzesh kheyli mahdoode. Iraadi ham nadaare, vali khob seyyed, agar chenin ast, boro ye do taa pelle paain tar, too oon forume relaxation, thread haai hast ke be kesheshe maghzet mikhore, oonvaght kheyli raaht tari, mitooni koso sher baare mardom koni bedoone inke kessi ziaad kaari be kaaret daashteh baashe :)
 
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Na seyyed, moshkele to az jaaye dige aab mikhore. Moshkele to ine ke to taghriban moratab dar bahs haai sherkat mikoni ke hich etelaaye ghabli ar morede mozoo nadaari, va be khaatere hamin ham be koso sher gooi miofti. Khob in alaan baraa man roshan shode ke kessei ke Shariati baraash at least " yek maghze motefakker boode (yani almost a philosopher), keshesh o gonjaayeshe maghzesh kheyli mahdoode. Iraadi ham nadaare, vali khob seyyed, agar chenin ast, boro ye do taa pelle paain tar, too oon forume relaxation, thread haai hast ke be kesheshe maghzet mikhore, oonvaght kheyli raaht tari, mitooni koso sher baare mardom koni bedoone inke kessi ziaad kaari be kaaret daashteh baashe :)
Na azeez, the problem isn't me. You completely lack objectivity and a big picture outlook on topics and the world around you. You've obviously read a few books granted, but unfortunately your entire understanding of the world around you has to fit in with those few chapters and paragraphs. If you read your own signature, you'll notice what the root of the problem is. Once you understand that the details have to fit in with some sort of a big picture perspective on issues, your views on various topics won't look like the type of flip flopping that you'd see a compass needle do at the North Pole and it would take a little more than a 30 second Google or Wiki search to shoot down your entire argument.

Suggesting that Mani was a "peighambar" (that would validate his whole back from the cave with a divine book handed to him from God) and Ferdowsi a liar for presenting his perspective on this issue obviously doesn't fit into most people's big picture outlook that God doesn't hand out divine books to people in caves and if you had a big picture outlook, you wouldn't agree with that in one thread and then disagree with it in another thread. The only reason you're struggling to understand such a simple concept is because you're gong ho about one paragraph from one book, written by a writer that has been criticized as being historically inaccurate, but nonetheless a book that you have read which automatically makes it the source for the truth and invalidates all other perspectives and sources for information. I bet you didn't even read that passage from SoC which is why you just keep repeating yourself like a broken record, as if repeating the same invalid argument over and over again, without acknowledging any portion of what someone else said, somehow validates your argument.

And as such, it's no surprise that after a few posts you just get frustrated and resort to grade-school name calling as if that's the best you can do in discrediting other perspectives and again hammering your point in. The only difference between what Arash did a few days ago and what you did in this thread is that he used the phrase vatan-foroosh to describe you because you didn't agree with his point and you used the phrase Iran-foroosh to describe me for the same reason. At least he's much more humble and was being very civilized about the discussion until you started being rude to him, which is much more than I can say about you. So perhaps, instead of being so outwardly critical about other people's views, it's time for some soul searching and being a little more critical of yourself.
 
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Seyyed, bla blaye birabtet engaar tamoomi nadaare. Goftam ke, az roo bisavaadi alaan 6 taa masire bikhod be in bahse saade daadi, chon mikhaay rad gom koni, chon bisavaadi vali dar eyne haal vaghigh. Eyne shiayaane mosalmaan va oon shariati "maghze motefakker" e shomaa.

Be khaatere hamin ham bedoone khoondaane post haa javaab midi va hamin dobaare baaes mishe ke khodeto maskhare mikoni. I do not suggest ke Mani peyghambare. Man mikhaam sar be tane hich peyghambari nabaashe, vali age kessi be Zartosht mige peyghambar, Mani ham peyghambare. Jaryaan be hamin raahatiye va hich rabti ham be in nadaare ke man kessi ro peyghambar midoonam yaa na.

Seyyed, doost daari mikeshamet dobaare too jaryaane bahse asli: Ferdosi dar morede Mani doroogh goft. Doroogh ro ham fargh nemikone, ki bege, Arab bege, Ajam bege, khomeini bege yaa khode khodaa bege. Man migam dooorgh bade, amsaale to o bisavaadaai ke beghole khodeshoon daaran az "identitiye" iran defaa mikonan, migid, na dorooghe Ferdosi fargh mikone, aadam baayad felaan faktor ro dar nazar begire, bessaar mogheyat ro besanje...bla bla...Doroogh dorooghe. In yek vaagheyate. Ferdosi (eyne bessyaari az amsaale to) az eshghe bi paayaan be shaho darbaare saasaani betore koll cheshmesh ro az vaagheyaate jaameye iran bad az Shapur baste. Inke hamoon saasaaniaa taa zamaane Shapoor nesbat be hameye mazaaheb liberal boodan va moshkeli ham nadaashtan, in vaagheyat na vaase Ferdosi jaalebe, na vaase amsaale to. Inke moshkel haaye Sassanian az zamaani shoroo shod ke mobedine zartoshti too darbaar ghodrateshoon ziaad shod (eyne mollahaaye shiieye emrooz) va in baaese koshto koshtaare degar andishaan oonam faghat be esme defaa az dine zartosht shod, in vaagheyat na vaase Ferdosi jaaleb bood, na vaase amsaael to. Seyyed, khoob goosh kon, chiz yaad begir engahd mohmalaate bi daro peykar baare mardom nakon. Tamaame raftaare toye seyyed va amsaale Ferdosi hich faghti yani vaaghean HICH farghi baa oon shiie haa o sonni haa nadaare. Oonaa oomadan jenaayat kaar haaye khodeshoon ro be onvaane mazhare bozorgi o mardoonegi o edaalat be khorde maa daadan. Amsaale Ferdosi o amsaale to, miaan doroogh haa o kosso sheraaye jenaayat kaar haaye Saasani ro ke galle galle irooni ro chon mazdaki o manavi o masihi boodan ro mikoshtan o faraari midaadan. In jaryaane emrooz ro faghat baayad ye 1500 saal bebare aghab, hich farghi baa ham nadaaran. To sedaaghat too vojoodet nist seyyed. Baa dobaar post zedde IRI kardan o injaa oonjaa vaase ye poste zedde IRI "like"zadan aadam shakhsiate naa saadegh o naa aadelesh avaz nemishe. To az haminaai seyyed, to az daroon avaz nashodi, faghat dar zaaher baa IRI mokhaalefat mikoni.

Goosheto khoob vaa kon:

Mani va tarafdaaraanesh az bozorgaane Iran boodan aslan ham be mazhabes kaari nadaaram o nadaashtam. Harf harfe nejaate zaboone parsi bood va amsaale Mani o Nakisa o zandighe o gheyre boodan ke in zaboon ro nejaat daadan na aaghaaye Ferdosi baa oon ketaabi ke aslan kessi na oon zamaan na emrooz mikhoondesh. Age manteghet dorost kaar mikard baayad in soaal baraat pish miyoomad ke chetor khode Ferdosi 700 saal bad ghaader be sokhan goftan o neveshtan be farsi bood? Mage tanhaa bood, baghiye mardom farsi harf nemizadan? Cheraa mizadan seyyed, chon Mani va sher o soroodesh araab ro sad haa saal pish nesbat be zaboone parsi narm tar karde bood. Taa haddi ke na fahgat loghaate arabi vaarede parsi shod, balke bar aks besyaari az loghaate parsi vaarede zaboone arabi shod chon arabaa ham az oon loghaat khosheshoon oomade bood. Kheyli az loghaati ke mardom emrooz fekr mikonan arabiye dar asl hamoon loghaatiye ke az tarighe sorood haa o sher haaye Maanavian vaarede zaboone arabi shode.
 
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"I do not suggest ke Mani peyghambare. Man mikhaam sar be tane hich peyghambari nabaashe, vali age kessi be Zartosht mige peyghambar, Mani ham peyghambare. Jaryaan be hamin raahatiye va hich rabti ham be in nadaare ke man kessi ro peyghambar midoonam yaa na. Seyyed, doost daari mikeshamet dobaare too jaryaane bahse asli: Ferdosi dar morede Mani doroogh goft".

LOL. Khodaish kheili shooti daadaash and when I say grade-school powers of deductions, I'm not exaggerating. This is your argument:

If A is true (Zartosht is peighambar) then B is true (Mani is peighambar). Then you base your entire argument of C being false (i.e. Ferodowsi being a liar) on B being true (Mani being a pighambar)! 10 posts later, you're finally back-paddling and saying I don't believe A is true and I don't believe B is true, but I'm still sticking with my original argument that C is false based on B being true!!!

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Bebin Seyyed jaan, bisavaad, to vaaghean engahd khengi yaa khodeto zadi be khengi? :)

I will dumb it down even further:

1- I dont care if Mani is a peyghambar or not. BUT: If zartosht is regarded as a peyghambar then Mani should aswell. Yani fahmidane in jaryaan engahdr vaase to sakhte seyyed? Maghze motefakkere Shariati ro age dashti alaan fahmide boodi. Dar vaagheh in harfaai ro ke alaan man do rooze daaram be to mizanam be goosfand gofte boodam alaan professor shode bood.

2- back to topic: Mani saved you your persian language and the persian tongue of your big daddy Ferdosi. AND: Ferdosi lied about Mani big time and unlike you and yourlikes, i dont care who lies, be it Mammad, Hassan, Hossein, your daddy Shariati, Ferdosi, Kartir, Zartosht or God himself. Mafhoom?

Age hazmesh hanoozam vaasat moshkele begoo, enghad behet migam ke oon pehenaa az zire jomjomat dar biaad.
 
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Like I said, you just keep repeating yourself and think others are "kheng", "bi-savaad", vatan-foroosh, and the other adjectives you like to use because you don't really have the intellectual maturity to understand what the other side is saying. And frankly, I can't simplify it any further than A, B and C - even a 6 year old would have either understood that, or come back and challenge that by saying something that was at least related to that. You just keep proving the point that I'm making by repeating yourself and then you think the other side is kheng and bi-savad:

1- I dont care if Mani is a peyghambar or not. BUT: If zartosht is regarded as a peyghambar then Mani should aswell. Yani fahmidane in jaryaan engahdr vaase to sakhte seyyed? Maghze motefakkere Shariati ro age dashti alaan fahmide boodi. Dar vaagheh in harfaai ro ke alaan man do rooze daaram be to mizanam be goosfand gofte boodam alaan professor shode bood.

No one with half an intellectual streak regards Zartosht or Mani as the type of peighambar you're talking about. So, for most of us A isn't true, B isn't true and C is not false. Your original argument was that if A is true, B is true, then C is flase, which you've now changed to A is not true, B is not true, but C is still false! You might as well make your argument to goosfands, 'cause you'll have much better luck with them.

2 - back to topic: Mani saved you your persian language and the persian tongue of your big daddy Ferdosi. AND: Ferdosi lied about Mani big time and unlike you and yourlikes, i dont care who lies, be it Mammad, Hassan, Hossein, your daddy Shariati, Ferdosi, Kartir, Zartosht or God himself. Mafhoom?

10 posts ago, I told you that none of Mani's works except one are in Persian. And that one was written in praise (chabloosi) of Shapur. You didn't deny that, but still keep repeating the same stupid assertion that Mani saved the Persian language and that Ferdowsi was a liar (the exact opposite of Ferdowsi having saved the Persian language and Mani being a liar). You keep repeating the same statements over and over again with absolutely nothing of value of back it up and think if you keep repeating the same wrong assumption and the same wrong conclusion, they both become correct after the Nth time.
 
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#33
Seyyed, safsate o maghlate nakon, dont put "others" into the same pot as yourself. When i think you are bisavaad, and you are something beyond besavaad, then you are bisavaad. Speak for yourself, only because i regard bunch of yourlikes as bisavaade por roo, it doesnt mean "others" are affected aswell. I know of some people here who are real bozorgmanesh people, but you and yourlikes are a completely different case. You are the type of guy who will appology any kind of lie and foroo maayegi aslong as it comes from people who you guys whorship as mazhare iranian identity (to ke kheyli ahle iranian identity hasti lol). Az in nazar hamatoon shiie hastid, hamatoon az dam. Shiie miaad ye jallaad eyne ali ro mikone mazhare ensaaniat o edaalat, to miaay ye doroogh gooi eyne Ferdosi ro mikoni mazhare identitiye irooni ke dorooghaasham taaze baayad "in perspective" bebinim o che midoonam "out of context" nabinimo charandiaati ke khode bache mosalmoonaa ham estefaade mikonan. Bebin Seyyed, gooshaato khoob vaa kon, vaase man identity be esm nist, be amale. Identity be in nist ke indo-german hasti o taraf saamiye, identitye to moghei baa identitiye oon arabe mosalmoon fargh mikone, ke to too afkaaro raftaaret ye farghi baa oon bokkoni, vali vaghti oon miaad be doroogh az hassan o ali o hossein defaa mikone, o to ham az dorooghaaye amsaale Ferdosi defaa mikoni, ye seri doroogh ham roosh mizaari ke baa dorooghaaye oon moghaabele koni, to hich faghi baa oon arabe mosalmoon nadaari seyyed. Age oon dooorgh mige, to baayad bar aksesh baashi, age oon foroo maayast to baayad aazaadeh baashi, age oon vaghihe to baayad saadegh baashi, age oon aadel nist, to baayad baashi... oonvaghte ke aadam mitoone bege bale, jenaabe seyyed Bi-Honar yek ensaane aazaadeh o saadeghiye ke vaaghean khodesh va identitiye khodesh ro az in bache mosalmoonaa jodaa karde. Felan to hamoon seyyed mosamoon hasti ke faghat dar harf kamaki vagh vagh mikone o fekr mikone faghat baa zedde Arab o mosalmoon boodane mishe identity saakht. Felan shiieye 12 emaami hasti seyyed, boro bebinam mitooni raaheto tashih koni yaa na. :)
 
Jun 9, 2004
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#34
Seriously, you're such an immature loser. And if "others" haven't reigned in yet to tell you the same thing, it's because they don't have the time or patience to read your arajeef in Fingilisi. It takes 15 minutes to read just one of your bi-saro-tah posts and I don't think most "others" would afford even 5 minutes of their days to people like you, so keep talking to yourself. That's the story of your lonely existence anyway, isn't it? :bye:
 
Jun 14, 2005
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Suisse
#35
Na Seyyed, first of all its none of our business to speculate about why those "others" do not participate. They are free to engage or just leave it alone. This is acutally the only logical and relevant conclusion we two, yani man o toye bisavaad, can come up with in this regard. Seyyed mamoolan maarmoolak haa o maar sefat haa hastan ke vaghti kam miaaran say mikonan dast be daamane "others" shan o ye joori oonaaro be khodeshoon bechasboonan. Bebin che mollah sefati hasti to , ke hattaa sokoote mardom ro ham mikhaay be soode khodet tarif koni. Ajab seyyede tamaam ayaari hasti to :)

Be har haal, seyyed, man be mardom i ke harf nemizanan kaari nadaaram, age doost daaran miaan harf mizanan, harfeshoono goosh mikonam bebinam chi vaase goftan daaran. haalaa jedi migam, in sokoote mardom mitoone dalaayele mokhtalef daashte baashe. Shaayad ye seri az in member haa, mikhoonan o laa belaaye koso sheraaye to ye dotaa chiz ham yaad migiran. Ki midoone? Shaayad ham faghat mesle to vaghih nistan. Yani vaghti mesle to dar morede chizi etelaai nadaaran o ye varagh ketaab ham dar in mored nakhoondan va taa dirooz nemidoonestan aslan Mani kiye, Nakisa kiye, Zandighe kiye...khodeshoon ro daakhele bahs nemikonan ke mesle toye bisavaad gereftaar shan. Bebin Seyyed, man masalan too jaryaanaate IT hichvaght nemiaam be BT chiz yaad bedam, cheraa, chon midoonam oon aslan kaaresh ine. Tamaam. Age bekhaam baahaash moghaabele konam, baayad beram khodamo aamaade konam, baayad bekhoonam, yaad begiram, khodamo besaazam bad biaam ezhaare nazar konam. Toye bisavaad vali hame jaa ghaatiye har bahsi mishi bedoone inke daaneshesho daashteh bashi. Seyyed, ino be to migam vali be kessi nagoo, amsaale to kam naboodan, gone goozaaye bisavaad man ziaad mishnaasam, vali injaa to tarafet kessiye ke bedoone eghraagh hodoode 500 taa ketaab too khoonash rikhte va aksare inaa dar morede tarikhe iran o german haa o latin haa o viking haa o siaasate gahrb o shargh o khaavare miaane o gheyre hast. To, man ino poost kande behet begam, to na faghat dar in zamineh, balke taghriban dar hich zaminei gheyr az zamineye kaaret va darsi ke khoondi (yaa nakhoondi!) hamradife man nisti chon man toro vaaghean bisavaad hesaab mikonam. Nadaari, mage zoore aaghaa, nadaari, chizi to chentat nadaari va in nadaar boodanet az saro root mibaare. :)