Ali Karimi's IFF conflict is escalating

kasra1930

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My question is what all these had to do with Karimi ?
علتش کاملا واضح است.کریمی‌ در بین ایرانیان طرفدارانی دارد..پشت صحنه مایلی کهن،عزیزی،ذلفقارنسب،یک مشت بدبخت حسود قرار دارند که هیچی‌ حالیشون نیست.این آدم را فهمیده اند چقدر نادون و بی‌سواده،تیرش کردند بیاد این حرفا را بزند که از محبوبیت کیروش کم کنند .
 

OSTAD POOYA

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#62
Karimi is falling victim to a bunch of idiots by being an idiot himself. I got the message from the same page that put up his statement as well which Ferdosipour translated. Ferdosipour is another idiot that thinks his show is a soap opera instead of having a strong professional demeanor. Reading messages during a live show and translating it totally wrong and not philosophically which it was meant to be only shows the level of intellect of such idiots running these shows. CQ job is to make Iran strong and successful. All this other khale zanak bazi and drama should be left after. So interesting that the dirty mouth mother fucker Mayeli is jumping on Karimis ass today praising him.
 

Sly

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#63
If the source is legit (his own page and not a fan page) we have to wait an extra week as I think 90 does not have a show this upcoming Monday.
The only person who is happy, benefiting from Iran's usual circuses like this, is Adel Ferdosipour who 's program will have even more viewers day by day.
 

zoozanagheh

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#64
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No doubt we all been happy with Coach Q and his conduct and winning over IFF (or them hiding behind his success ).. but he mishandled Karimi's situation very badly.



I think CQ has more basis to take AK to the court for his unsubstantiated accusations in regards to hiring his unqualified relative (godson?) and character defamation.
 

zoozanagheh

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The only person who is happy, benefiting from Iran's usual circuses like this, is Adel Ferdosipour who 's program will have even more viewers day by day.
yes and the usual CQ foes and TM enemies whose lack of intelligent and abilities have been exposed ever since he took over TM.
(not to mention IRI who enjoys any circus and soap opera like this to entertain people -for a very cheap price- distracting them from daily life issues and keeping them busy with this nonsense).
 

A8K

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#66
Bro, thread is really about IFF and Karimi. .They saw it fit to bring him in and open the discussion and can of worms.

Take your Quiroz defending stuff to another place. We as Karimi supporters were neither to attack nor defend the coach but simply ask a question.

Are you deaf, it was revealed they mismanaged 15 millions dollars of club money witin 10 minutes. I don't see how you guys pick and choose facts.


Thx

Who do you think Karimi is for CQ to even care to answer his questions? All people wanted from CQ was to make us qualify to the WC! CQ answered everyone's questions with style! Everything else is just hashiyeh, created by Mayeli Kohan type of mentality. Wasting our time? yes, Karimi has been wasting everyone's time in the past week.


No dude. The money is already well-spent no matter the result in the WC. This is the first time we qualify to the WC twice in a row. That's all we wanted for now. Money very well-spent.


Again.... as long as we are progressing under CQ and as long as TM is relatively strong, playing well and gaining world wide respect, no one should care about the finances around CQ! His son in law, his wife, all his family deserve to get what ever they want from Iran for a job well done! CQ came to Iran for one purpose only and that was to make us progress. That is happening. Everything else is BS! It's clear that jealous people on the side who are not included in such a success and fame of his, would say or do anything to undermine his work. Mayeli is a typical example and now Karimi has joined the group. Don't fall for the "revealing IFF agendas" argument, as Karimi could have done this a long time ago. Not now when things are at their best shape they've ever been.
 

A8K

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Then we were not watching the same show. Only mentioned issue was the fellow and his credentials. Coach brought all this to himself by opening his big mouth.
No one forced him to do so. Question could have been handled calmly and properly.

As you may not know this is the current trend in Iran, from Daei to bronco to others they have brought unqualified or underqualified brothers or relatives to the management of teams. following current football issues of Iran can help you understand what it's being brought up.

Unqualified ppl at IFF , unqualified ppl at club management level and coaching staff is being addressed.


I think CQ has more basis to take AK to the court for his unsubstantiated accusations in regards to hiring his unqualified relative (godson?) and character defamation.
 

A8K

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LOL you are a bit extreme possibly not understanding the point.
The writer is saying WC is in the bag and now ppl are distracted with winnings of the clubs. Obviousl when WC rolls attentions are back to the bigger picture.
Article is really addressing coaches miscalculation about Iranin football fan, their passion in general and specifically messing up at the PR game with latest questions raised. It all be fine when WC rolls. I assure you.

Anyone who wrote this, is just a damn traitor. An enemy of TM and Iran all together! I stopped reading after this!
 
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علتش کاملا واضح است.کریمی‌ در بین ایرانیان طرفدارانی دارد..پشت صحنه مایلی کهن،عزیزی،ذلفقارنسب،یک مشت بدبخت حسود قرار دارند که هیچی‌ حالیشون نیست.این آدم را فهمیده اند چقدر نادون و بی‌سواده،تیرش کردند بیاد این حرفا را بزند که از محبوبیت کیروش کم کنند .
Shame on them all ,shame on Ferdosipoor khaaleh zanak too ,all bunch of traitors .
 
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A8K

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^Those guys don't have their own nuts to speak up and are hiding behind Karimi. But the more level-headed guys say there's no room for insults.

Everyone of these guys is hungry for a better position and more money, IFF has the monopoly in their eyes as they don't receive jack.
 
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^Those guys don't have their own nuts to speak up and are hiding behind Karimi. But the more level-headed guys say there's no room for insults.

Everyone of these guys is hungry for a better position and more money, IFF has the monopoly in their eyes as they don't receive jack.
They do and they have spoken out in the past but because they don't have the popularity of someone like Karimi they are using him to wash their dirty laundry .

it is a shame that Karimi who is a simple minded person with a good heart has fallen victim to these traitors and opportunists who feel left out .
 
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A8K

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bro only one point in the arguments exposed waste of $15 millions in local contracts , that's just a small sampling of the big picture. IFF is really hiding behind WCQ.

what if the amount of fuck up (law suits, money owed by IFF like clubs always end up owing) is so much that they may not have a good coach after Q moves on? Books must be balanced for our football to exist.

Transparency is needed and he's calling for it, may not be given but demand is there as people are fully supportive.

They do and they have spoken out in the past but because they don't have the popularity of someone like Karimi they are using him to wash their dirty laundry .

it is a shame that Karimi who is a simple minded person with a good heart has fallen victim to these traitors and opportunists who feel left out .
 

Sly

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#73
They saw it fit to bring him in and open the discussion and can of worms.
They tried to open a can of worms through Karimi. Sorry dude but Saket washed them and put them aside. I'm not saying he was right but he was prepared, answering all the questions convincingly. Again, perhaps people behind Karimi should have done this way back during Kafashian or before him when things were at their worst. Now that IFF is doing fairly well, aghayoon shir shodan biyan jelo. Why? Simply because they are not included in the success Taj and company are getting.

Don't be blinded because of your love/bias towards Karimi dude. You need to see things in a bigger picture.
 
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bro only one point in the arguments exposed waste of $15 millions in local contracts , that's just a small sampling of the big picture. IFF is really hiding behind WCQ.

what if the amount of fuck up (law suits, money owed by IFF like clubs always end up owing) is so much that they may not have a good coach after Q moves on? Books must be balanced for our football to exist.

Transparency is needed and he's calling for it, may not be given but demand is there as people are fully supportive.
Dude for the last time I will bring your attention to this ,

Don't side step the issue ...

No one is criticising karimi for exposing corruption in IFF ,it is picking on carlos Q who is doing very well in team melli and is in the middle of preparing the team for the world cup we all have a problem with .

Like a spoiled brat he was stupid to do that ,end of ...
 

Sly

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Dude for the last time I will bring your attention to this ,

Don't side step the issue ...

No one is criticising karimi for exposing corruption in IFF ,it is picking on carlos Q who is doing very well in team melli and is in the middle of preparing the team for the world cup we all have a problem with .

Like a spoiled brat he was stupid to do that ,end of ...
The same way he f**cked everything up in the middle of the WC2006! If you have a problem, solve it after the WC for crying out loud. Do not let it go over TM at the most sensitive time possible! Karimi is the master of that!

When it comes to IFF corruption..... corruptions have always been there. But this is an IFF, that's had the most success compared to all other times. Despite all the financial difficulties, sanctions, etc. they managed to get us relatively good friendlies and a good preparation ahead of the WC! Unlike all other times, there are no issues when it comes to training camps, jerseys, traveling, passports, visas, the players' military services, etc. etc. You haven't seen CQ complaining about IFF for a very long time which in itself is a record. Of course there are people in Iran who can not see their colleagues (Taj and Saket) to have success ahead of them and now they are trying to bring them down one way or the other. Karimi was the bait.

This has always been the problem in Iran through history. Anyone or anything that has been good, can not stand for a long time and will be brought down by Iranians themselves. Az mast ke bar mast!
 
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A8K

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Convincingly? I think you need to revisit that word.

Within 10 min of the discussion loss of $15 million revealed by saket while stirring into the camera.. yeah right.. bro you watch too much western. Yes saket did calmly respond but he revealed too much; or too much came out, Taj will be pissed; media is calling for his head.

Taj & company are hiding behind coach's success while they're not competent to hold office. $15 mil is just a sample of what's been wrong.

I am really done trying to convince that $15 million is not small chunk of money and that's only a sampler. When we don't have the numbers we can't really justify Taj; at what cost is all this happening.

Let say you get married, is there a ceiling to your wedding costs or do you have a budget like normal people? if typical package and wedding nite costs $125k would you pay $350k ? IFF is just propping TM and everything else is on the back burner and ignored .

We will flop if this continues or stay at a mediocre level we enjoy right now (forget the asian glories)

They tried to open a can of worms through Karimi. Sorry dude but Saket washed them and put them aside. He was prepared, answering all the questions convincingly. Again, perhaps they should have done this way back during Kafashian or before him when things were at their worst. Now that IFF is doing fairly well, aghayoon shir shodan biyan jelo. Why? Simply because they are not included in the success Taj and company are getting.

Don't be blinded because of your love/bias towards Karimi dude. You need to see things in a bigger picture.
 
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علتش کاملا واضح است.کریمی‌ در بین ایرانیان طرفدارانی دارد..پشت صحنه مایلی کهن،عزیزی،ذلفقارنسب،یک مشت بدبخت حسود قرار دارند که هیچی‌ حالیشون نیست.این آدم را فهمیده اند چقدر نادون و بی‌سواده،تیرش کردند بیاد این حرفا را بزند که از محبوبیت کیروش کم کنند .
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خوب این می‌تونه درست باشه و خیلی‌ خنده دار . آخه تو تاریخ مردم ایران پشت کی‌ واسدادن که حالا این دلش به مردم خوشه ؟ البته مملکت که ماشااله مملکت چیزم طاغیه و هر کی‌ هر کاری می‌کنه ولی‌ همیشه من از خودم میپرسم آخه به مربی‌ یه تیم چه که هی‌ راه بیفته دنبال فساد فدراسیون. کسخله . برو پدر جان یه عمر فوتبال بازی کردی پول دراوردی برو برا خودت یه گوشه‌ بشین کار و کسب راه بنداز مگه از کار اینا می‌شه سر در اورد.؟ اخرشم اطلاعات براش یه نامه می‌زنه میگه داری نظم جامعه رو داری به هم میریزی بسته زرزر کنی‌ میری زندان و تموم می‌شه میره . داستان ۴۰ سال گذشته . این داداشمون خیال می‌کنه مثلا تاج کار ه‌ای هستش
 
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A8K

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حتی اگر حرف علی کریمی درست نباشد و سباستین، عضو مرموز کادرفنی تیم ملی نسبت خویشاوندی با کارلوس کی‌روش نداشته باشد، باز در اصل سوءاستفاده‌های غیرحرفه‌ای مربی پرتغالی از فوتبال ایران تردیدی وجود ندارد. او به‌رغم همه توانایی‌ها و دستاوردهایش برای ما، تا جایی که می‌توانسته از امتیازات نامتعارف و غیرحرفه‌ای سود برده است؛ مرخصی‌های بی‌پایان، بی‌اعتنایی آشکار به مسابقات داخلی، بی‌احترامی به سازوکار رسمی روابط عمومی، اطلاع‌رسانی‌های رسمی از طریق صفحه فیس‌بوک و از همه مهم‌تر موکول کردن پرداخت مالیات دستمزدش به فدراسیون فوتبال، تنها بخشی از سوءاستفاده‌های کارلوس در دوران حضور روی نیمکت تیم ملی ایران بوده است. امکان ندارد که کی‌روش به عنوان یک مربی مجرب و جهان‌دیده متوجه نباشد که همه جای دنیا پرداخت مالیات بر عهده صاحب درآمد است، نه کارفرمای او؛ با این همه، کی‌روش به راحتی این قبیل اصول حرفه‌ای و بین‌المللی را به سود منافع شخصی خودش زیر پا می‌گذارد، چون به خوبی دریافته «سیستم» در ایران بیمار است و می‌توان از سوراخ سنبه‌های پرشمار آن عبور کرد. وقتی 40دقیقه از زمان برنامه نود صرف شکایت علی دایی از باشگاه پرسپولیس به خاطر عدم پرداخت مالیاتش می‌شود، کی‌روش از خودش می‌پرسد: «من چرا نباید از این امتیاز برخوردار باشم؟

I respect the point but it was club's fault to commit to paying Daei's taxation in the contract. Think Daei let go all or part of it after so much noise was made.

Good point on AK and overall disregards for standards in Iran.

علی کریمی، عزیز و دوست‌داشتنی است، اما دقیقا خود او به عنوان اصلی‌ترین مطالبه‌گر و پرسش‌گر این روزهای فوتبال ایران، مصداق دور زدن مقررات و سوءاستفاده از حفره‌های سیستم محسوب می‌شود؛ جایی که به منظور ورود به عرصه مربیگری حتی حوصله و بردباری مورد نیاز برای کسب مدارک لازم را هم نداشت و با کمک مدرک علیرضا امامی‌فر فعلا روی نیمکت دو تیم لیگ برتری نشسته است! جادوگر در این مسیر چنان ولع دارد که حتی حاضر نیست قید امتیاز حضور در نشست‌های خبری را هم که در انحصار صاحبان مدرک مربیگری است، بزند. روبه‌روی او در برنامه نود اما محمدرضا ساکت نشسته بود؛ همشهری رییس فدراسیون که با رای‌شماری شفاهی و بدون درج روی تخته به پست دبیرکلی دست یافت و آن همه جنجال برانگیخت. شاکی و متشاکی، هر دو از سوراخ‌های سیستم سود برده‌اند، حالا چطور انتظار دارید یک نفر که از بیرون این مملکت آمده، دلش به حال ما بسوزد و به مقرراتی که خودمان محترم نمی‌شماریمش احترام بگذارد؟

full article http://behraveshh.blogfa.com/post-1302.aspx
 

Sly

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Convincingly? I think you need to revisit that word.

Within 10 min of the discussion loss of $15 million revealed by saket while stirring into the camera.. yeah right.. bro you watch too much western. Yes saket did calmly respond but he revealed too much; or too much came out, Taj will be pissed; media is calling for his head.

Taj & company are hiding behind coach's success while they're not competent to hold office. $15 mil is just a sample of what's been wrong.

I am really done trying to convince that $15 million is not small chunk of money and that's only a sampler. When we don't have the numbers we can't really justify Taj; at what cost is all this happening.

Let say you get married, is there a ceiling to your wedding costs or do you have a budget like normal people? if typical package and wedding nite costs $125k would you pay $350k ? IFF is just propping TM and everything else is on the back burner and ignored .

We will flop if this continues or stay at a mediocre level we enjoy right now (forget the asian glories)
Azizam, these kinds of dirty money has been used for different purposes (good or bad) in IFF during all times. It's nothing new! it's just that you and I haven't known about them all. Taj on the other hand has been the most competent head of IFF after the revolution and that is not because of the coach's success. Read my last reply to Oghab here above to see why.

It's rather the other way around. The coach was more successful this time (more than 2004) because of Taj's management.
 
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