ZA joon, man ham bahat moafegham dar kol. vali Iranihaee keh dar oroopa hastand bishtar siyasi hastand ta iranihaye amrika neshin. lazemeh keh yek bar dar berlin, stockhol, koln etc. bashi ta bebini cheghadr javve iranihaye moghim dar oonja "hanooz" beh sheddat siyasi ast. (don't forget MahdaviKia, Nekoonam, karimi were based in europe,)
dar jahate taeede sohbate shoma yadame vaghti "Bacheh Tehroon" rafteh bood NY sale ghabl for a demonstration against AN.
How many Iranians actually turned up then, which was also during the heat of the Green movement? 2000, or 5000!? doesn't make a big difference as there are around 3 million Iranians living in north america (including Canada), how many turned up again?
Every weekend you can easily gather 1000 Iranians in Berlin, if you want, and have demonstration opposite Iranian consulate. I have no doubt the same no. could be easily achieved in Paris, Stockholm, Koln, Oslo..
dar jahate taeede sohbate shoma yadame vaghti "Bacheh Tehroon" rafteh bood NY sale ghabl for a demonstration against AN.
How many Iranians actually turned up then, which was also during the heat of the Green movement? 2000, or 5000!? doesn't make a big difference as there are around 3 million Iranians living in north america (including Canada), how many turned up again?
Every weekend you can easily gather 1000 Iranians in Berlin, if you want, and have demonstration opposite Iranian consulate. I have no doubt the same no. could be easily achieved in Paris, Stockholm, Koln, Oslo..
About 10,000-15,000 showed up which was pretty decent considering it was in NY and most Iranians live in California. Also remember, the distances between cities here is humongous compared to Europe. Not easy to get around at all.
I do concede that the Iranian population in Europe is less dissolved in their country of residence and more "aware" of the situation in Iran, but that's mostly due to the fact that Europe is much less welcoming to immigrants than North America and kind'a forces the new-comers to retain their original values to have a sense of pride when faced with minor or major discrimination.
I do concede that the Iranian population in Europe is less dissolved in their country of residence and more "aware" of the situation in Iran, but that's mostly due to the fact that Europe is much less welcoming to immigrants than North America and kind'a forces the new-comers to retain their original values to have a sense of pride when faced with minor or major discrimination.
Daghighan Dorost migi RDA Jan
Iranians in US and Canada are very differnt with Europe. We have alot of rish, traditionally religous Iranian families here who migrate before the revolution or shorty after and still have strong religous blifs and some soft spot for Islamic Democracy
Then you have the new generation of new Immigrants who mosty studied in Iran and manage to do well and came here as invertment and... Most are still doing business with Iran and care about politics just because they want to be sure it will not effect their business dealings and...
ناصر حجازی، پیش کسوت ورزش فوتبال که از بیماری رنج می برد، با اشاره به ملاقات چهره های رسمی با او، به لزوم حفظ شخصیت ورزشکاران اشاره کرد و ضمن تمجید از رفتار سید حسن خمینی در ملاقات با وی، در خصوص ملاقات اسفندیار رحیم مشایی گفت: آقای مشایی پس از کلی اصرار می خواستند بیایند عیادت و با این که دلم راضی نبود، به آتیلا گفتم بگو بیایند. آمدند و یک عکاس هم با خودشان آوردند. زمان رفتن ۵میلیون تومان گذاشتند داخل پاکت که قبل از رفتن به آتیلا گفتم این پول را پس بفرست و بگو من که بچه گدا نیستم. خیلی ها می آمدند تا خودشان را نشان بدهند. آن ها به ما احتیاج دارند نه ما به آن ها.
Soroosh jan, I guess sometimes we have to disagree on some issues. This one is one of them.
1) Maybe it's only me, but almost 75% of my family lives in Europe, mostly married to europeans guys/gals and assimiliated perfectly. "less welcomed".!!? I don't think so.
2) We all hate MKO, but everytime they have a get-together in Paris, there are minimum 35000-40000 participants from all over europe attending. now do you have any estimations of Iranians liveing in a) NYC b) Washington DC c) Vancouvre? I guess it should be around half a million? Am I too far off? need your help here. IMHO, 10,000-15,000 is just embarassing. I have no doubt many of them were Iranians coming from across the atlantic.
1) Maybe it's only me, but almost 75% of my family lives in Europe, mostly married to europeans guys/gals and assimiliated perfectly. "less welcomed".!!? I don't think so.
2) We all hate MKO, but everytime they have a get-together in Paris, there are minimum 35000-40000 participants from all over europe attending. now do you have any estimations of Iranians liveing in a) NYC b) Washington DC c) Vancouvre? I guess it should be around half a million? Am I too far off? need your help here. IMHO, 10,000-15,000 is just embarassing. I have no doubt many of them were Iranians coming from across the atlantic.
Guys..once ur blood pressure has Fallen enough and can actually THINK…it wouldn’t hurt to consider the following…
In the psychi of Iran o Irani anyway......Only a Sar Zende mellat can stand up to tyranny ..only a sare pA mellat can even begin to fight for their right… and like it or not in Iran. Football status has a lot to do with the said mind set.. players motives aside and forsaken..just remember these facts..
The same regime that had its football team in WC98 following the Mellborne miracle..had to confront her people ( only a yr later ) for shutting down a newpaper in 18 Tir 78..
Shah e Kabir was brought down following TM winning 3 consecutive Asian Championship and 2 consecutive Olympic qualification..Indeed not too long after Iran being selected as the Host of 84 Olympics….
So… calm down..
In the psychi of Iran o Irani anyway......Only a Sar Zende mellat can stand up to tyranny ..only a sare pA mellat can even begin to fight for their right… and like it or not in Iran. Football status has a lot to do with the said mind set.. players motives aside and forsaken..just remember these facts..
The same regime that had its football team in WC98 following the Mellborne miracle..had to confront her people ( only a yr later ) for shutting down a newpaper in 18 Tir 78..
Shah e Kabir was brought down following TM winning 3 consecutive Asian Championship and 2 consecutive Olympic qualification..Indeed not too long after Iran being selected as the Host of 84 Olympics….
So… calm down..
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IZ jan your second paragraph is undoubtedly true. And there probably are people that you speak of in your first paragraph, which is why I am uneasy with these kinds of public stonings of people's reputatations.
It's too easy for me to be an Internet Warrior and not give an inch to any of these guys; but I really wonder are the likes of Majidi or Bagheri doing this for any reason to benefit them or to get ahead of others? More likely that they just couldn't refuse. So how can I sit here judging them? Sina says they got a lot...well they've got a lot to lose. I don't know what went on, but their pasts make me doubt they're the filth of the Earth as people are trying to make them out here.
Maybe there is a 3rd category: people who pretend they are above all this stuff when inside, maybe if they were in the same situation, they'd give their own concessions. I certainly don't want to be apart of that.
It's too easy for me to be an Internet Warrior and not give an inch to any of these guys; but I really wonder are the likes of Majidi or Bagheri doing this for any reason to benefit them or to get ahead of others? More likely that they just couldn't refuse. So how can I sit here judging them? Sina says they got a lot...well they've got a lot to lose. I don't know what went on, but their pasts make me doubt they're the filth of the Earth as people are trying to make them out here.
Maybe there is a 3rd category: people who pretend they are above all this stuff when inside, maybe if they were in the same situation, they'd give their own concessions. I certainly don't want to be apart of that.
I'm saying if mud is mud, then they're all swimming in it over there. If Hejazi can take money to lead a govt. owned team; then these guys can play two passes to the President. If we're making inferences based on this kind of stuff; heck we can make plenty. It's not like this is a political support party.
Maybe as you say I don't know enough, as I don't really follow it that closely; but to me Bagheri didn't turn to shit because of this.
Maybe as you say I don't know enough, as I don't really follow it that closely; but to me Bagheri didn't turn to shit because of this.
I don't know if evolution or time will heal this nation but we are the best in making ethical excuses for our personal benefits. I tell you, in some cases we even consider it " Zerangi"