Caspian sea agreement - Another disaster under IR

Oct 18, 2002
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مشکل عمده ای گریبان جامعه ایرانی را گرفته.
از قبل از انقلاب هم این مشکل بوده
بیشتر نگاه ها به اتفاقات جاری از روی خشم و سر خوردگی هستش.

شاه نوکر انگلیس هست چون به همه پرسی بحرین تن در داد.
ایران داره فقط اسلحه آشغال از آمریکا انگلیس کار

میخره که
کارخانجات آنها حفظ باشند.

اول انقلاب ما به اسلحه امپریالیسم احتیاج نداریم

جمهوری اسلامی باید توان دفاعی کشور را حفظ
میکرد تا عراق جرات حمله نکند.

ایران اصلا صنعت موشکی برای چی میخواد

ایران چرا در خلیج فارس مانور برگزار میکنه

ایران چرا زورش نمی‌رسه بعد از بیست سال به همسایه شمالی این را تحمیل کنه که باید سهم ایران
در دریای خزر فراتر از یه وجب خط ساحلیش باشه

ایران چرا در امور عراقی‌ها دخالت می‌کنه

ایران چرا در یمن برای عربستان شاخ شده


وقتی عربستان به ایران حمله هوایی بکنه، چرا ایران قدرت پاسخگویی ندارد

ما اینقدر سیاست زده هستیم که پیوسته به دنبال
تایید دیدگاههای سیاسیون در لابلای اخبار هستیم.
 

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there is a whole lotta what trump would call fake news from the phony media
about this agreement.
the main point of it was to keep nato and in particular the usa and it's rabid
dog isreal from gaining any military footprint on the shores of the caspian.
it prohibits any of the 5 littoral countries to give any form of accomodation
to any foreign military force on their shorelines.further it only allows ships
flying one of the 5 littoral states flags to navigate the waters.that's a big big
win for iran and russia since the other 3 states can be bought easily by their
enemies.now that's impossible.
the issue of the 'share' for each littoral state is still in negotiations but trying
to divide it fifty fifty between iran and russia based on the old soviet era days
is a laughable idea.the only measurable tool for assigning 'share' is the extent
of the shoreline for each littoral state.that should eventually decide the 'share'
for each state.but don't hold your breath on it happening anytime soon.
 
Oct 18, 2002
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Aziz, a few points
this preliminary convention has not yet even been ratified by majles.
50% discussion is just a misnomer launched by lazy iranian media domestic and abroad. the word 50% does not exist anywhere.

In my book, if Iran achieves 15% shoreline share it has basically gotten the best deal ever possible. if Iran gets below 12% it is a deal that will likely not get ratified in majles.
aside from that, what could have been more beneficial to iran would have been a ban on pipelines through the caspian sea, such that Turkamanistan or Azerbayjan would have been forced to transfer pipelines through iran's Territory. to Europe and or chinese markets.

in the end of the day, Iran could only stall matters. 15 years ago iran did try to exert military muscle against republic of Azarbayejan, but in the long run that is not a viable option because Turkey and the U.S would probably get introduced into the matter.

at the end of the day the current discovered resources lie much closer to Azerbayejan and Turkamnistan and Kazakistan shores. so there is not much you can do about that. Iran can benefit in the long run by having good relation cordial relations with these countries. just a few being
. electricity swaps on the border
. natrual gas swaps on the border
. transport of good to those countries from iran's warm wate ports
. better integration with one belt one road
. open transport of industrial and agricalture goods by locals living on the border.

none of these cooperations are possible if you have a major territorial dispute with those countries.

on the 50% misnomer.
Persiangulf is an open sea and thus different internationa norms apply. but for the moment let's assume we are talking about persian gulf.
would it be legally feasible for Kuwait to come and claim that they should have equal footing with Iran/Saudi UAE
even though their coast line is fraction of those other above mentioned countries.
 
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راي حفظ اسم خليج فارس دنيا رو كلافه كرديم و خودمون رو به در و ديوار و اب و آتيش زديم كه مبادا اسمش از خليج پارس بشه خليج ...ي!!
كلّ درياي خزر رو بخشيدن ، مالكيتش رو تماميت ارزيش ، نفتش ، گازش ، اونوقت از هيچكسي صدا در نمياد!؟!
چطوري ميتونين هنوز دابسمش خنده دار و چلنج " دي دي " و كوفت و زهر مار پُست كنين؟!!
هموطناي ما تو ايران دسترسي به اينترنت و فضاي مجازي يا ندارن يا محدود دارن و تحت كنترلن، اونايي هم كه غيرت دارن جونشون رو گرفتن كف دستشون و كف خيابونن .
شمايي كه خارج نشين هستين حداقل كاري كه ميتونين بكنين اينه كه صداي اونها باشين و لااقل تو جهان مجازي عضوي از ارتش سايبري مخالف اقدامات وطن فروشانه دشمنان اين مرز و بوم باشين كه براي بقاي خودشون حاضر هستن وطن ما رو بفروشن !!!!!
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اگر موافقين با به اشتراك گذاشتن اين متن شروع كنين
 
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راي حفظ اسم خليج فارس دنيا رو كلافه كرديم و خودمون رو به در و ديوار و اب و آتيش زديم كه مبادا اسمش از خليج پارس بشه خليج ...ي!!
كلّ درياي خزر رو بخشيدن ، مالكيتش رو تماميت ارزيش ، نفتش ، گازش ، اونوقت از هيچكسي صدا در نمياد!؟!
چطوري ميتونين هنوز دابسمش خنده دار و چلنج " دي دي " و كوفت و زهر مار پُست كنين؟!!
هموطناي ما تو ايران دسترسي به اينترنت و فضاي مجازي يا ندارن يا محدود دارن و تحت كنترلن، اونايي هم كه غيرت دارن جونشون رو گرفتن كف دستشون و كف خيابونن .
شمايي كه خارج نشين هستين حداقل كاري كه ميتونين بكنين اينه كه صداي اونها باشين و لااقل تو جهان مجازي عضوي از ارتش سايبري مخالف اقدامات وطن فروشانه دشمنان اين مرز و بوم باشين كه براي بقاي خودشون حاضر هستن وطن ما رو بفروشن !!!!!
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اگر موافقين با به اشتراك گذاشتن اين متن شروع كنين
It is a sea between 5 countries ,how can we claim half of it for ourselves ?

Best thing out of it is excluding foreigners and keeping them out ,part from the 15 miles coastline the rest of the sea's resources will be divided equally .

Another important issue is it's environmental well being that the 5 countries need to upheld and police it tightly to keep it healthy .
 
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When the Caspian was divided 50-50 it was between two countries, the Soviet Union and Iran. There are now countries each of which have a coastline with the sea and each have a right under international law to have a share of it.

The question is how much of it should belong to each country. As I said, if IR gets anything near 20% it's a good deal given that couple of other countries have larger coastlines with the Caspian.
 
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It is a sea between 5 countries ,how can we claim half of it for ourselves ?

Best thing out of it is excluding foreigners and keeping them out ,part from the 15 miles coastline the rest of the sea's resources will be divided equally .

Another important issue is it's environmental well being that the 5 countries need to upheld and police it tightly to keep it healthy .
When the Caspian was divided 50-50 it was between two countries, the Soviet Union and Iran. There are now countries each of which have a coastline with the sea and each have a right under international law to have a share of it.

The question is how much of it should belong to each country. As I said, if IR gets anything near 20% it's a good deal given that couple of other countries have larger coastlines with the Caspian.
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That's not the problem of Iran, it's Russia's dilemma! it's the Soviet Union which collapsed and gave those countries their independence, well now give them their share from the Caspian Sea. It's like Gilan and Mazandaran get detached from Iran and ask Russia to give their share !!!!!!
 
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That's not the problem of Iran, it's Russia's dilemma! it's the Soviet Union which collapsed and gave those countries their independence, well now give them their share from the Caspian Sea. It's like Gilan and Mazandaran get detached from Iran and ask Russia to give their share !!!!!!
In that case let's have Azerbaijan and Georgia back since Soviet union has collapsed! 😍
 
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That's not the problem of Iran, it's Russia's dilemma! it's the Soviet Union which collapsed and gave those countries their independence, well now give them their share from the Caspian Sea. It's like Gilan and Mazandaran get detached from Iran and ask Russia to give their share !!!!!!
I am afraid that is not how it works. The countries that separated are fully independent and they have a right to negotiate an equal share. You can not have one country with 50% and less coastline and 4 others who have bigger coast line with far less share.
 
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When the Caspian was divided 50-50 it was between two countries, the Soviet Union and Iran.
There is no place a language that divides the Caspian 50/50.

What people are alluding to is the right for countries to do shipping in Caspian.
not splitting the coast and not the resources, and not even shipping.
 
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I am afraid that is not how it works. The countries that separated are fully independent and they have a right to negotiate an equal share. You can not have one country with 50% and less coastline and 4 others who have bigger coast line with far less share.
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then why Russians are keeping their own %50? Does this apply only to Iran ?
 
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1970 hypothetical line of 20% was drawn by the Russia but Iran's strength kept it from imposing, but realized by IR later.

iran reduced own interest to 18.7% in a 1995 contract.

formating is weird, but reads Iran 319 lenght of coastline and 187% percentage.

///////////////////// Length of Coastline // Percent of

//////////////State (Nautical Miles) // Total Coastline

Azerbaijan 259.1 // 15.2
Iran 319.1 // 18.7
Kazakstan 526.4 // 30.8
Russia 315.0 // 18.5
Turkmenistan 285.4 // 16.8
(49)

https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297a/International Law and Concerns of the Caspian Sea Region.htm
 
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