First time this is coming out after 27 years (How Khamenei became SL)

Oct 18, 2002
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#23
What do you mean? It's not only conventional wisdom. In the video, Rafsanjani clearly directs the election of Khameneii as rahbar.
it is very clear what i mean. you are just going with the flow.

Hashemi was not that good of a politician. he was pretty good at being the number 3 or even number 2 for a while. but he was never able to hold his power.

he was literally sitting right next to Khomeini the first week after the revolution.

he basically financed a whole of Akhounds before revolution.

He ended number 30 in majles elections and lost to ahmadinejad. he was gradually sidelined and eliminated by Khamenie without any cost to Nezam.

all and all given where he was he did not play his hand that well.
 
Oct 18, 2002
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Then you look at khamenie.
His dad was very poor they moved from Azarbayejan to Mashhad.
he comes to Tehran. Makes friends with the right people (namely Hashemi, Beheshit, ..).

ends up becoming Tehran's Emam Jomeh. out of the blue becomes President. While president even though side lined manages
to jockey up and appear humble and get the rahbari with no so called religious qualifications.

and since then he has used all sorts of politican factions to stay in power.
used Eslah Talabs to weaken Hashemi.
Used Ahmadinejad to sideline Hashemi.
Used Ahmadinejad to evict old Eslah talabs.
Makes Hashemi's old crew go recruit new Eslah talabs and fight the power OsoolGara's on his behalf.
and then he unleashes the dogs on Hashemi's old crew when they gain power.

He has played his very poor hand very skillfully. he has retained power, by using people against each other.
 

TeamMeli

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#25
He's clearly a Russian agent. No ifs and buts. Like many other countries, Iran is simply a victim of the cold war.
Now that you brought up "Russian Agent," why is it if someone is under suspiscion in Iran, they are either an English, American or Russian agent. Aslan Kahmeini be Russia e badbakt che dareh lol. You said a mouthful and you can write a book on this one sentence you wrote, Iran is a victim of the cold war, amen brother. Iran is a victim of politics and the cold war. Actually ironically it was through the help of Truman and the US that they kicked Stalin out of the country. Stalin did not want to leave Iran but Truman forced him out. Of course Truman said, "Every nation should be democratic and free," and he was genuine about it but the USA had their own interests, they didn't want Iran to fall into the hands of the Soviets. For the Cold War American foreign policy was pretty much contain the red scare(in reference to big Russia and China, later on DPRK.) Also too bad for Iran they had something the west wanted(England and USA), Oil.

As for Khameini I am not going to say he is a "Russian Agent, "If that guy is a Russian agent then I am a Chinese diplomat. I however think that he got his power through parti bazi and that happens all the time in Iran, Russia and countries like that. Khomeini liked Khameini so he hooked up his buddy, no need to go through an election process or whatever they go through to pick a supreme leader(not an expert on that).

What is some Irooni's obsession with Russia or Russian lmao?
 

Meehandoost

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Sep 4, 2005
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To gauge the impact of Russia and England on Iran and Iranians, one must examine the treaties between Russia and Persia in the 1800, and the separation of Bahrain, Iranian oil and the role of the clerics in politics. True that Qajar kings were incompetent, but these were not much better times that the Arab or Genghis invasion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Turkmenchay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Gulistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Akhal


https://www.oparsbooks.com/ar/separation-bahrain-iran-benefit-iran-or-britain
 
Feb 22, 2005
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There is a reason Khominie chose him as his president and later for whatever reason or whoever decision he became the leader. We all hate him but likely he was the most competent between all of them.

Dont know about being Russian agent, I doubt that. Perhaps he was an efficient and known within the Islamic political anti Shah and therefore made it easier for him to get close to Khamoinie or even known by Khmoinie who the leaders were.

I doubt that there was not some kind of underground islamic system. How did Khalkhali end up with his position so quickly and others taking over? Seems the leaders where already chosen and dont think it formed within few days.

It is crazy Shah's powerful Savak failed to destroy this underground virus as probably due to the popularity of Islam within an unintelligent society?
 

Meehandoost

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Sep 4, 2005
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Khamenai is a member of Hojjatieh, so is Ahmadi-Nejad, Rajavi was too and many others.
And as far as SAVAK destroying anything, first of all Hojjatieh was created by SAVAK itself with a green light from the late Shah; simply the mullahs were too powerful for the Shah. And secondly, the Islamic republic's security and intelligence apparatus is multi-layered, at least five times bigger and much more sinister than SAVAK, but even they can't destroy much. Simply, force will not endure, and if the Shah proceeded to crack down and try to destroy more people, his rule may have lasted longer, but in the end the same thing would have happened. For a time people of Iran have had a romance with an "Islamic state" of sorts and fantasised about what it might be like, now they know! Good or bad, theocracy simply belongs in the past!
 

Meehandoost

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Sep 4, 2005
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And I believe for all things there is a purpose and this regime has served its purpose which was to demonstrate to the world, especially to Iranians, the incompatibility of Islamic teachings and laws with the modern world. True that it may endure in people's hearts as a source of personal guidance, but the era of Islam has come to an end. This is evident in other Islamic nations as well such as Saudi Arabia that has been forced to change so much. One by one, theocratic and autocratic governments will fall and the power will be transferred to the people. This is a foregone conclusion and cannot be stopped by force; on the contrary, force is the vehicle which expedites the process. The Islamic republic too, at the right moment will implode from within and its true harrowing nature and the atrocities it committed will be revealed by its own elements. It has already begun and cracks are appearing, last example is the letter of Karoubi to Khamenei. In an effort to change their legacy, even at the last hour, one by one they will try to distance themselves from a clerical clan which has retarded the progress of Iran and Iranians for centuries.
 

TeamMeli

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#30
To gauge the impact of Russia and England on Iran and Iranians, one must examine the treaties between Russia and Persia in the 1800, and the separation of Bahrain, Iranian oil and the role of the clerics in politics. True that Qajar kings were incompetent, but these were not much better times that the Arab or Genghis invasion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Turkmenchay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Gulistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Akhal


https://www.oparsbooks.com/ar/separation-bahrain-iran-benefit-iran-or-britain
Yes my father told me the story. We were actually fighting the Russians honorably and even winning at one point but the stupid incompetent king did not fund the Army properly. Eventually Iran lost and they had to give up several territories in the Central Asia and Ghaf Gaz region. If you give the Russians second life, you are going to lose.
@Lordofmodor-You are right and I mentioned before that Iran is a sytem of Party Bazi, it has always been like that. There is a reason why Khomeini picked Khameni. GUYS I REALLY DOUBT KHAMENEI IS A RUSSIAN AGENTHe is very clever and knows how to play the game but Russian agent I don't think so, he does NOT fit the profile.
 

Meehandoost

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Sep 4, 2005
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TeamMeli jan, perhaps a technicality but strictly speaking Khomeini did not select Khamenei, rather the assembly of experts of Islamic republic comprised of Islamic jurists selected him. The assembly of experts itself is selected by the guardian council which is appointed by the leader. So those members that selected Khamenei were handpicked by Khomeini, but not him. Note that there is no election anywhere, and not only that all candidates running for anything in the country must be vetted by these unelected mullahs.

The idea of selecting Khamenei was advanced by Rafsanjani in the assembly of experts (closed to the public but shown in this video) who reportedly liked running things from behind the scenes but their relationship, at least on the surface, seemed to deteriorate once Khamenei solidified his position. This video shows some false humility (taarof), and technical issues because Khamanei was not even qualified as a Hujjat'ul Islam and had to be an Ayyat'ullah of Islam, to which he was promoted. Whether spy or not, he does have a very close relationship with the Kremlin and when the Islamic republic falls if he is still alive, Russia could be one of the places he may choose for "retirement", the other being Syria depending on the fate of Assad himself.
 

Playboy

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Oct 18, 2010
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#32
the release of this clip at this time is part of the bigger plan along with the 'controlled explosion'
that happened in iran in the past couple of weeks.the idea is to make people ready for the post
leader era in iran.there are no charismatic clerics that can possibly replace him.so the idea of
a 'leadership council' is being presented as an alternative with legitimacy and historical validity.
the irgc and it's leadership want to be part of the decision making process formally and this will
give them that opportunity in a legal framework.the irgc wants to open up iran as far as the rigid
religious rules that the moolas have imposed on the population since the revolution.the post-leader
era will be the end of compulsory head covering for women and many other social restrictions
.

the process is moving along fine.with the 'spontaneous' female protests removing their head covering and
now the president's office releasing a poll on the subject.times are a changin'.

http://www.sfgate.com/world/article/Iranian-leader-enters-fray-over-compulsory-12551129.php

The office of Iran’s president has charged into the middle of one of the most contentious debates over the character of the Islamic Republic, releasing a 3-year-old report showing that nearly half of Iranians wanted an end to the requirement that women cover their heads in public. The report’s release Sunday comes as dozens of women in recent weeks have protested in public against being forced to wear the veil, a symbol of Iran’s revolution as much as it is deemed a religious requirement. The decision to release the report — which found that 49.8 percent of Iranians, both women and men, consider the Islamic veil a private matter and think the government should have no say in it
 

Sly

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Oct 18, 2002
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#33
the process is moving along fine.with the 'spontaneous' female protests removing their head covering and
now the president's office releasing a poll on the subject.times are a changin'.

http://www.sfgate.com/world/article/Iranian-leader-enters-fray-over-compulsory-12551129.php

The office of Iran’s president has charged into the middle of one of the most contentious debates over the character of the Islamic Republic, releasing a 3-year-old report showing that nearly half of Iranians wanted an end to the requirement that women cover their heads in public. The report’s release Sunday comes as dozens of women in recent weeks have protested in public against being forced to wear the veil, a symbol of Iran’s revolution as much as it is deemed a religious requirement. The decision to release the report — which found that 49.8 percent of Iranians, both women and men, consider the Islamic veil a private matter and think the government should have no say in it
Damn!!! Only if that could happen in our life time!