H.M SON , the best Asian player ever ?

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Hah... weird coincident.
I just saw him today (video highlights on yt) when we tied 1 to 1 with Korea (this north n south. East n west are all Bulls**t. I don't even recognize Pakistan n still call it India ).
He's pretty good. But if we had Korean gov. and society we'd have the best players too.
Players like KarimI who was unfortunately Wasted from 98 tI'll today.
Anyway Son and Koreans ought to be impressed by this thread.
It's nice to put selfish patriotic or one-sided fervour aside and talk logically.
I know 1 thing
As long as we have these traitors in charge of things we will never achieve greatness
They have Orders to put us all down and all we've seen up until now was because of making a little money....
You take these few words all the way to the end:
تو خود حدیث مفصل بخوان از این مجمل
 
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I think SON is the mot successful player probably. Political and other aspects of Asia makes it very hard to say who is the best of all time of Asia.

Ex. many of the Iranian players had only a small window of opportunity during Daie, Mahdavikia periods and without any support from Islamic Football Federation.

A good example is Hejazi to Man U and how was destroyed.

Being from Iran, you will have to be arm and shoulder above SON to get slightest notice.

Not to take anything away from SON, he is an incredible player and perhaps the best all time, but there is not accurate measurement of greatness comparing throughout all time in Asia.
 
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I think SON is the mot successful player probably. Political and other aspects of Asia makes it very hard to say who is the best of all time of Asia.

Ex. many of the Iranian players had only a small window of opportunity during Daie, Mahdavikia periods and without any support from Islamic Football Federation.

A good example is Hejazi to Man U and how was destroyed.

Being from Iran, you will have to be arm and shoulder above SON to get slightest notice.

Not to take anything away from SON, he is an incredible player and perhaps the best all time, but there is not accurate measurement of greatness comparing throughout all time in Asia.
Yes yes, because us Iranians are just discriminated against because we are victims!

Nothing to do with talent, ability and hard work!

p.s. Hejazi to Man United is one of the biggest lies in football history.
 
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I think SON is the mot successful player probably. Political and other aspects of Asia makes it very hard to say who is the best of all time of Asia.

Ex. many of the Iranian players had only a small window of opportunity during Daie, Mahdavikia periods and without any support from Islamic Football Federation.

A good example is Hejazi to Man U and how was destroyed.

Being from Iran, you will have to be arm and shoulder above SON to get slightest notice.

Not to take anything away from SON, he is an incredible player and perhaps the best all time, but there is not accurate measurement of greatness comparing throughout all time in Asia.
He is the most talented imo but not the most successful. Ji Sung Park wins that title.
 
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He is the most talented imo but not the most successful. Ji Sung Park wins that title.
Why though? Look what Son has contributed to Spurs' amazing success in the past few years. How is that even comparable to Park's contribution? The level of football played by Son is well beyond anything Park participated in.

Man U during Park's presence was the world's biggest club. They had Fergie at the helm and Park was not exactly crucial in their success.

Spurs on the other hand are not even among the top 5 clubs of Europe in terms of budget and squad power. Son bears a lot more responsibility and is much more involved in Spurs' success than Park was in Man U's.
 
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Because he was the workhorse allowing other players play at their best level. Also, depends in definition of success. At the end of the day he is the guy with more trophies.
 
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Yes yes, because us Iranians are just discriminated against because we are victims!

Nothing to do with talent, ability and hard work!

p.s. Hejazi to Man United is one of the biggest lies in football history.
No, has nothing to being victims or discriminated against. More to do with the Environment in Iran and training. Would Messi have become Messi if he was born in Iran and trained in Iran?
 

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Who cares? Messi is Messi. Son is Son and whichever Iranian player you name in history has never reached Son's level. End of story.
What are you talking about?

Talent? Surely, Karimi is by FAR more talented and would completely destroy Son.

Achievements? Mahdavikias got him beat there by breaking the assist record in Germany. Daei has him beat there with his goals record despite starting late at age 24 I believe.

EPL propaganda? No doubt Son is number one here, because the English and their fans love to over hype the level of competition in the English league. Typical of an English fan to dismiss all other major leagues as inferior and make up names like Farmer League for them, but then claim Son is the best because he scored or made a run against an over hyped and weak English defense.

For example the claim that the German league is inferior to the EPL, only to be proved absolutely wrong when Bayern demolishes their own big name teams (Chelsea) and other even bigger teams (Barca.) And yes that was literally you last year when you claimed Iranian achievements in the Bundesliga were less significant than achievements made in the EPL.
 

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What are you talking about?

Talent? Surely, Karimi is by FAR more talented and would completely destroy Son.
May be but NOT PROVEN. The big take away is none of Iranian (with the exception of Kia and may be Hashemian to an extend) were able to prove themselves in top teams. End of story. Karimi played ONLY 33 games for Bayern in 2 years and only scored 3 goals!!!!.....if he was THAT good he would be scooped up by 20 other European teams in a heart beat for his talent. How come he wasn't picked? CLEARLY he was not good enough. Put emotions aside, his numbers in top flight football are absolutely horrible no matter how you cut it and slice it. His flare and, dribbles as sexy as they were to average viewer's eyes gained little interest from PROFESSIONAL TOP FLIGHT TEAMS.


Achievements? Mahdavikia got him beat there by breaking the assist record in Germany. Daei has him beat there with his goals record despite starting late at age 24 I believe.
Daei has him beat in goals???? against who? accumulating goals against maldives and guams is worth little in my books.
Daei only scored 19 goals in 109 games between the 3 Bundesliga clubs he played between 1997-2002 (prime of his career) !!! again 19 goals in 109 games as a center forward!!!!!!!

Son has scored 60 goals in 164 games for spurs and he is not even the center forward !!!!!!!!! we are talking top flight football here
and in case you were wondering Son's assist #s are not that far from behind Mahdavikia's !!!

EPL propaganda? No doubt Son is number one here, because the English and their fans love to over hype the level of competition in the English league. Typical of an English fan to dismiss all other major leagues as inferior and make up names like Farmer League for them, but then claim Son is the best because he scored or made a run against an over hyped and weak English defense.

For example the claim that the German league is inferior to the EPL, only to be proved absolutely wrong when Bayern demolishes their own big name teams (Chelsea) and other even bigger teams (Barca.) And yes that was literally you last year when you claimed Iranian achievements in the Bundesliga were less significant than achievements made in the EPL.
This is very subjective, so let's not go there.
 
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Khabalood

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May be but NOT PROVEN. The big take away is none of Iranian (with the exception of Kia and may be Hashemian to an extend) were able to prove themselves in top teams. End of story. Karimi played ONLY 33 games for Bayern in 2 years and only scored 3 goals!!!!.....if he was THAT good he would be scooped up by 20 other European teams in a heart beat for his talent. How come he wasn't picked? CLEARLY he was not good enough. Put emotions aside, his numbers in top flight football are absolutely horrible no matter how you cut it and slice it. His flare and, dribbles as sexy as they were to average viewer's eyes gained little interest from PROFESSIONAL TOP FLIGHT TEAMS.
This argument that Son has made it and plays football at a higher level than Karimi because Son gets regular play for Tottenham is ridiculous. First, Son plays for Tottenham, a club that does not deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Bayern Munich let alone compared to say that they are on the same level. Quite frankly the team Karimi played for was stacked in the midfield and the German captain was playing the same position as Karimi. There was no way he was going to be preferred to start over Ballack no matter what. Second, Karimi didn't have the same luck that Son has every other week with Harry Kane consistently being injured because Ballack wasn't consistently injured. Third, Tottenham played a system with 3 strikers (see picture below) which continues to give Son triple the opportunity to start games compared to Karimi. Considering up until recently Tottenham didn't even have more than 3 strikers in their whole squad, Son was basically guaranteed a fixed spot in the lineup. As would any other player who would have been in the squad instead of him. And lastly, Karimi played for the more prestigious Bayern, because he is simply much more talented than Son. Which is why Son still has not been able to play for a real top club. He is in a great position at Tottenham where they have 2 strikers filling 3 attacking positions in their preferred formation. He would not be able to find that luck anywhere else.

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Daei has him beat in goals???? against who? accumulating goals against maldives and guams is worth little in my books.
Daei only scored 19 goals in 109 games between the 3 Bundesliga clubs he played between 1997-2002 (prime of his career) !!! again 19 goals in 109 games as a center forward!!!!!!!

Son has scored 60 goals in 164 games for spurs and he is not even the center forward !!!!!!!!! we are talking top flight football here
and in case you were wondering Son's assist #s are not that far from behind Mahdavikia's !!!
So scoring against Maldives and Guam is easy right? It must be easy or else you would value it. If it is so easy to score in asia, why can't Son score? He has been a part of the national set up since he was a teenager. In a decades time he has made 89 apps and only scored 26 goals. Clearly he stands on the shoulders of his teammates at Tottenham where he is guaranteed a fixed starting position since they employed 3 strikers for 3 striking positions up until recently. Btw, not only has Daei outscored him, he has won more trophies than Son too.

Similar to Karimi, Daei made it to a top club Bayern because he was a top player. Unlike Son who has not been able to make it to a top team.

Yes Mahdavikia is one of the best midfielders in German football history and he will always be remembered as breaking one of their most prestigious records. Son played for Hamburg and could not match that achievement. He hasn't broken the assist or goals record in the epl either.


This is very subjective, so let's not go there.
Your whole argument is subjective, perhaps we should ignore all of it too since it centers on EPL and Tottenham are the only achievements that matter.