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راستی این مرتیکه دلقک ترامپ هم دروغ میگه. این هم مثل بقیه رهبران امریکا تو ۴۰ سال اخیر داره واسه همه فیلم ضد جمهوری اسلامی بازی میکنه هنوزم که هنوزه این فیلما داره جواب میده. آمریکایی ها جامعه ایران رو بهتر از خود ایرانی ها میشناسن. مگه مرض دارن, جمهوری اسلامی رو ور بندازن؟ هزاران میلیارد دلار مفت از طریق سران جمهوری اسلامی و زن و بچه هاشون به امریکا و کانادا ترانسفر شده و هنوزم میشه . هروقت هم دلشون بخواد میتونن این پولا رو فریز کنن, مصادره کنن بگن مال تروریست ها بوده. همش پوله مفته که وارد گردونه مالی امریکا میشه. تو تاریخ ایران هیچ انقلاب و مبارزه ای از روی گشنگی و ذلت و خفت وجود نداشته. ایرانی وقتی تو سری میخوره و گشنگی میکشه, بی روحیه میشه, خفت و ظلم رو بیش از پیش قبول میکنه. ملت های دیگه زنجیر و ترمز پاره میکنن, ایرانی ها بر عکس عمل میکنن. خاموش تر و سر خورده تر میشن. این رو آمریکایی ها خوب میدونن. تمام این تحریم ها, دانسته و حساب شده, به نفع جمهوری اسلامی و ضد مردم ایران عمل میکنن. مردم از گشنگی میمیرن و مثل صد سال پیش به سگ و گربه و کلاغ و حتی آدم خوری میوفتن ولی به رژیم کاری نخواهند داشت. سران جمهوری اسلامی خودشون رو بستن هنوزم میلیارد میلیارد در آمد دارن, از کنار جمهوری اسلامی کلی کشور نون میخوره. امریکا یه جوری میخوره (از ترس اعراب از جمهوری اسلامی هم هزاران میلیارد خورده و میخوره) , چین یه جور میخوره, روسیه یه جور میخوره, شیعیان عراق و لبنان و یمن یه جور میخورن, اروپا یه جور میخوره, هند ازشون نفت میگیره, یه خط در میون پول میده, اینا هم واسه حفظ قدرت و چون اجنبی هستند و احساسات ملی ندارن , قبول میکنن میگن خدا بده برکت, میریزن به حساب های خودشون .... یه همچین مرغی که تخم طلا واسه همه میزاره رو واقعا مگه مغز خر خوردن بیان از بین ببرنش؟ مطمئن باشید, چین و امریکا همدیگه رو بخورن, ولی سر کمک به بقای جمهوری اسلامی جفتشون با هم هم نظرن. این کشور رو ملا ها و دنیا همه با هم دارن خالی میکنن.
You are 100% right and it is very sad to see the status of Iran today.
 
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خوب خدایش دنیا از اینا سواری نگیره, از کی بگیره؟ مثلا حیف نیست, هلند و بلژیک و سوئد و ژاپن منابع زیر زمینی نداشته باشن, ولی چنین حیوانات عقب مونده و بیسواد و خرفت رو بزرگترین منابع طبیعی جهان بشینن و صاحبش باشن؟ جدی اگه اروپایی یا آمریکایی بودی, پیش خودت نمیگفتی, چرا نفت و گاز اینا رو ما نداشته باشیم که لایقشیم؟ حیف نیست ژاپن و کره نفت نداشته باشن ولی اینا داشته باشن؟ من که میگم خیلی حیفه.
 

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You are 100% right and it is very sad to see the status of Iran today.
I dont find it to be sad at all. Not any more. Its very fitting. Make no mistake, this regime is actually the closest to the nature of iranian people and what they have been all about for hundreds of years. No one represents the backwardness of a huge number of iranian people better than this regime because they are really coming from laabelaaye in aashghaal dooni. They are no dilusional characters like shah or bakhtiar who were both educated in switzerland and france and have not been in touch with millions of backward iranian animals and their dark souls and thoughts. If you think this regime is not iranian, you are just ignoring facts. This regime is infact the purest iranian government of them all. Irans history has been all about dozdi, ghaarat, baradar koshi, sarkoob, koshtaar, khafeghan, khar mazhabi....and the IR is governing the country by using the oldest and deepest traits and habits of iranian masses.
 
I dont find it to be sad at all. Not any more. Its very fitting. Make no mistake, this regime is actually the closest to the nature of iranian people and what they have been all about for hundreds of years. No one represents the backwardness of a huge number of iranian people better than this regime because they are really coming from laabelaaye in aashghaal dooni. They are no dilusional characters like shah or bakhtiar who were both educated in switzerland and france and have not been in touch with millions of backward iranian animals and their dark souls and thoughts. If you think this regime is not iranian, you are just ignoring facts. This regime is infact the purest iranian government of them all. Irans history has been all about dozdi, ghaarat, baradar koshi, sarkoob, koshtaar, khafeghan, khar mazhabi....and the IR is governing the country by using the oldest and deepest traits and habits of iranian masses.
I have tried hard...very hard...to disqualify this line of thinking in my head for many years. I've suffered through depression, anger, denial, apathy and sometimes outright insanity to fight it. Nothing worked. I have since resigned to its truthfulness. I still want to be wrong.
 

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I have tried hard...very hard...to disqualify this line of thinking in my head for many years. I've suffered through depression, anger, denial, apathy and sometimes outright insanity to fight it. Nothing worked. I have since resigned to its truthfulness. I still want to be wrong.
So you don't think that people with right mind and aspirations could make Iran prosperous one day ?
 

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I have tried hard...very hard...to disqualify this line of thinking in my head for many years. I've suffered through depression, anger, denial, apathy and sometimes outright insanity to fight it. Nothing worked. I have since resigned to its truthfulness. I still want to be wrong.
ما چشامون موقعی باز میشه و واقعیت رو میبینیم که اول بفهمیم ایراد از ملته و این رژیم از همین ملته. ملیون ها مغز خراب تو اون مملکت وجود داره. تو تویتر و اینستاگرام نظرتو در مورد یک کشتیگیر مینویسی, همین مردم عادی که حتی شاید ضد رژیم رفته باشن تو خیابون, میان میگن: نظرتو واسه خودت نیگر دار. نظر نده! یکی دوتا هم نیستن, بیشترشونن. اینا ضد رژیم هاشونن !اصلا سرکوب نظریات دیگرون و بریدن نفس هرکی که باهاشون همنظر نیستند, جزو لاینفک وجود ایرانیه. یعنی ما تو ایران ملیون ها موجود داریم, که هر لحظه میتونن خودشون بشن یه خلخالی, یه خمینی, یه جمهوری اسلامی. از طرفی ضعیف کش هم هستند. بزنی تو سرشون, نوکر و چاکرت میش, بهت آقا میگن. بفهمن آدم درستی هستی و دستت به جایی بند نیست, تا میخوری تو سرت میزنن, تا بشی نوکر و چاکرشون. نه انسان های آزاده ای هستند (چون معنی آزادی و آزادگی رو نمیدونن), نه اهل جنگیدن با ظلم و ستم هستند چون خودشون با خودشون هم ظالم هستند.

ببین یه مثال میزنم که ببینی ملت ها چقدر با هم فرق میکنند و چرا ملت هایی وجود دارند که شاید واقعا ژنتیک از دیگرون برتر هستند. این هلند کوچیک رو نگاه کن. ۳۵۰ سال پیش مال اسپانیا بود. اسپانیایی ها بهشون زور میگفتن چون کاتولیک بودن و هلندی ها نبودن. دفاع از این کشور مقابل تهاجم بیگانه خیلی سخته. کوه و جنگل های انبوه نداره, کوچیکه, مسطحه, دور و ورش کلی کشور بزرگ و گردن کلفته, از شرق آلمانی ها, از غرب انگلیس, از جنوب فرانسه و اون زمان اسپانیا که همشون غولی بودن اون زمان. این ملت کوچیک انقدر تو کشور خودشون با اسپانیا مقابله کرد, جانگ های کوچیک و بزرگ راه انداخت, اسپانیایی ها بیرحمانه گاهی اوقات ۶۰۰۰ نفر رو تو یه روز دار میزدن که بترسونشون , ولی اینا بیشتر مگسی میشدن, بیشتر واسه استقلال میجنگیدن. آخر هم اسپانیایی ها رو خستشون کردن و پای میز مذاکره مستقل شدن. هنوز مستقل نشده, همون اسپانیای بزرگ رو رو تو جنگ های مختلف در زمین و دریا انقدر تضیف کردن که شدن کابوسشون. به مستعمره هاشون حمله کردن و یک سری رو گرفتن, مستعمره های پرتقال در آسیای شرقی رو گرفتن. تو ۱۰۰ سال خودشون شدن یکی از دو ابر قدرت های زمانه با انگلیس. با انگلیسی ها جنگیدن, با فرانسوی ها جنگیدن, با همه کل گنده های اون زمان دست و پنجه نرم کردن و اونم به عنوان یک کشور و ملت کوچیک. همه جهان دیگه فهمیده بودن که باید به اینا احترام بزارن.

منظور اینکه من کلی از این داستان ها رو خوندم و میدونم بعد مقایسه میکنم با کثافت کاری ها و ظلم پذیری ها و ستم گری های خود ملت ایران اونوقت به خودم میگم بیخیال بابا....
 

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ما چشامون موقعی باز میشه و واقعیت رو میبینیم که اول بفهمیم ایراد از ملته و این رژیم از همین ملته. ملیون ها مغز خراب تو اون مملکت وجود داره. تو تویتر و اینستاگرام نظرتو در مورد یک کشتیگیر مینویسی, همین مردم عادی که حتی شاید ضد رژیم رفته باشن تو خیابون, میان میگن: نظرتو واسه خودت نیگر دار. نظر نده! یکی دوتا هم نیستن, بیشترشونن. اینا ضد رژیم هاشونن !اصلا سرکوب نظریات دیگرون و بریدن نفس هرکی که باهاشون همنظر نیستند, جزو لاینفک وجود ایرانیه. یعنی ما تو ایران ملیون ها موجود داریم, که هر لحظه میتونن خودشون بشن یه خلخالی, یه خمینی, یه جمهوری اسلامی. از طرفی ضعیف کش هم هستند. بزنی تو سرشون, نوکر و چاکرت میش, بهت آقا میگن. بفهمن آدم درستی هستی و دستت به جایی بند نیست, تا میخوری تو سرت میزنن, تا بشی نوکر و چاکرشون. نه انسان های آزاده ای هستند (چون معنی آزادی و آزادگی رو نمیدونن), نه اهل جنگیدن با ظلم و ستم هستند چون خودشون با خودشون هم ظالم هستند.

ببین یه مثال میزنم که ببینی ملت ها چقدر با هم فرق میکنند و چرا ملت هایی وجود دارند که شاید واقعا ژنتیک از دیگرون برتر هستند. این هلند کوچیک رو نگاه کن. ۳۵۰ سال پیش مال اسپانیا بود. اسپانیایی ها بهشون زور میگفتن چون کاتولیک بودن و هلندی ها نبودن. دفاع از این کشور مقابل تهاجم بیگانه خیلی سخته. کوه و جنگل های انبوه نداره, کوچیکه, مسطحه, دور و ورش کلی کشور بزرگ و گردن کلفته, از شرق آلمانی ها, از غرب انگلیس, از جنوب فرانسه و اون زمان اسپانیا که همشون غولی بودن اون زمان. این ملت کوچیک انقدر تو کشور خودشون با اسپانیا مقابله کرد, جانگ های کوچیک و بزرگ راه انداخت, اسپانیایی ها بیرحمانه گاهی اوقات ۶۰۰۰ نفر رو تو یه روز دار میزدن که بترسونشون , ولی اینا بیشتر مگسی میشدن, بیشتر واسه استقلال میجنگیدن. آخر هم اسپانیایی ها رو خستشون کردن و پای میز مذاکره مستقل شدن. هنوز مستقل نشده, همون اسپانیای بزرگ رو رو تو جنگ های مختلف در زمین و دریا انقدر تضیف کردن که شدن کابوسشون. به مستعمره هاشون حمله کردن و یک سری رو گرفتن, مستعمره های پرتقال در آسیای شرقی رو گرفتن. تو ۱۰۰ سال خودشون شدن یکی از دو ابر قدرت های زمانه با انگلیس. با انگلیسی ها جنگیدن, با فرانسوی ها جنگیدن, با همه کل گنده های اون زمان دست و پنجه نرم کردن و اونم به عنوان یک کشور و ملت کوچیک. همه جهان دیگه فهمیده بودن که باید به اینا احترام بزارن.

منظور اینکه من کلی از این داستان ها رو خوندم و میدونم بعد مقایسه میکنم با کثافت کاری ها و ظلم پذیری ها و ستم گری های خود ملت ایران اونوقت به خودم میگم بیخیال بابا....
While I agree with most of the thing you are saying I think you over-generalize too much.
Not everybody is the same.
I think to say that "we are failure, end of story" is just not true. Lots of Iranians are trying to create a better future for Iran but they haven't succeeded.
 

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While I agree with most of the thing you are saying I think you over-generalize too much.
Not everybody is the same.
I think to say that "we are failure, end of story" is just not true. Lots of Iranians are trying to create a better Iran for future but they haven't succeeded.
Yeah? Where are those "lots" of Iranians? Lets once and for all be frank and honest to eachother: We are failure, end of story. Our whole history, at least in the last 1000 or better say 1500 years has been a huge failure. Look even now i am not completely honest. You know why? Because by saying in the last 1500 years, i am inevitably sugar coating the shit that was going on in Iran even before the arab invasion which made things easier for them to succeed. To be honest, this country has been a shithole in the last 2000 years. Now go and try to find those "lots" who are supposedly trying to create a better Iran.
 

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Yeah? Where are those "lots" of Iranians? Lets once and for all be frank and honest to eachother: We are failure, end of story. Our whole history, at least in the last 1000 or better say 1500 years has been a huge failure. Look even now i am not completely honest. You know why? Because by saying in the last 1500 years, i am inevitably sugar coating the shit that was going on in Iran even before the arab invasion which made things easier for them to succeed. To be honest, this country has been a shithole in the last 2000 years. Now go and try to find those "lots" who are supposedly trying to create a better Iran.
Lots are those who have been executed and have tried ... we can't undermine their efforts because there are people like that.
I am also not trying to sugar coating anything ... As far as I remember, Iran has become worse and worse every year and it is the worst that I remember it in 2020. Do I see a better Iran in near future ?
No I don't
However, I think (maybe this is too naive or too emotional) hope is the most powerful weapon of mankind and we shouldn't allow that to die.
We have to try to contribute in any way we can to help our country and country men and shouldn't expect anything in return because the systems already has failed.
 

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Just 1500 people were killed last year opposing the regime, so yes they tried in my opinion.
And as i said, even among those killed, there have been potential dictators. This is exactly what makes Irans future to be absolutely in dark because you cant be sure that those who are fighting these animals, couldnt be or become some backward animals of their own.
 

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Long story short: You yourself, wouldnt ever go back to live in Iran again and wouldnt want your kids to go and be part of that countries struggles either. Enough said. I mean that country is so fucked up that even regime guys who are milking the country stealing milliards of dollars, are not willing to let their own kids live in Iran. They send them out to europe and america. That says everything about what this country is all about. Everything else is just emotional bla bla.
 

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And as i said, even among those killed, there have been potential dictators. This is exactly what makes Irans future to be absolutely in dark because you cant be sure that those who are fighting these animals, couldnt be or become some backward animals of their own.
I personally think that people are very similar to each other in every country in the world.
What makes societies different is rule of law that prevents a dictator to govern for decades till he dies.
As you mentioned, people in the western world have fought for this freedom as well and didn't get this for free.
Freedom is not attained easily.
The effort should be to change the mindset and the rule of law.
 
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the natives are getting restless.

Austrian Airlines fires a flight attendant for chanting anti-Semitic slogans at a far-right rally

Austrian Airlines has fired a flight attendant who was caught on tape chanting anti-Semitic slogans at a far-right political rally last week.

Christina Kohl, the now former flight attendant, is running for a seat on Vienna's municipal council with a far-right party called Team HC Strache, reported Austrian newspaper Kurier. She was affiliated with the party for just three days before she was terminated, on August 13.

Kohl was apparently part of a rally on August 11 at which she chanted various anti-Semitic slogans, including "Soros must go," "Rothschild must go," "Rockefeller must go," and "Illuminati must go."

Geifernder Antisemitismus bei der #Strache Kandidatin und Covidiotin Christina Kohl: "Soros muß weg, Rothschild muß weg, Rockefeller muß weg, Illuminati müssen weg..." m( #Wienwahl #THC #hcstrache #covid19at pic.twitter.com/yNkSPydwtL
— Dietmar Muhlbock (@deltamikeplus) August 11, 2020


 
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trump's regime extremely bad poker playing is going
to cost americans a lot more than their current stash
in the game.
i advised trump right here in this forum a while back
that playing poker with the persians is a big mistake.
to be exact i said 'he will not only lose his shirt and
pants but most likely his virginity too'.

Instead of Isolating Iran, U.S. Finds Itself on the Outside Over Nuclear Deal

WASHINGTON — A diplomatic standoff over restoring international sanctions against Iran may be the most vivid example yet of how the United States has largely isolated itself from the world order — instead of isolating Tehran, as the Trump administration intended.
At nearly every step President Trump has taken in his dogged pursuit to demolish a 2015 accord limiting Iran’s nuclear program, he has run into opposition, including from America’s strongest allies in Europe.

On Thursday, the opposition turned into open defiance.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo traveled to New York to personally demand that the United Nations Security Council “snap back” the sanctions on Iran for violating some terms of the nuclear deal. The act was born of frustration: His closest allies had rejected an American effort to recast the terms of the deal by extending an arms embargo against Iran that begins to expire in October. Only the Dominican Republic voted with the United States.
Mr. Pompeo, sounding incredulous, again accused Iran of fomenting terrorism, destabilizing the Middle East and trying to hide its nuclear and weapons programs from international inspectors. But he directed some of his harshest words toward diplomats from Britain, France and Germany, who he said “chose to side with ayatollahs.”

“It’s not a matter for anger or frustration,” Mr. Pompeo said. “We’ll follow the rules of the U.N. Security Council, and that will lead to the sanctions being reimposed.”

Never mind that Iran’s major violations were in response to Mr. Trump’s decision to exit the nuclear agreement. And set aside the legal contortion that underpins America’s insistence that it is still a “participant” in the international accord, with the authority to restore the economic penalties, despite Mr. Trump declaring in 2018 that he was “terminating United States participation.”

The bigger issue is that even if Mr. Pompeo succeeds, he may be reimposing sanctions that no U.S. allies are willing to enforce. And that could not only weaken American authority worldwide, it may also show adversaries how to sidestep the United Nations in future global disputes.