Iranian Style Snubbing & the revolt of 1978 !!

AMirza

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As much as I like to look ahead and not get hung up in the past - and as much as I know how foreigners used all their influence in Iran to topple the late Mohammad Reza Shah - But I would like to open this thread to review one more side of the 1978 Revolution. A side which I believe above Islam, above socialism, above any material or moral quests - was most responsible for the mass suicide - Iran's middle class committed !!!

I want to look at the problem of "Snubbing". I want to discuss how bad the so called High Class Iranian society snubbed the middle and lower classes. How bad they snubbed each other !!! many of them still do - even today in Iran and in exile !!

What is Snubbing ? My best definition for "Snubbing" is when one person ignors or puts down another, under an impression that he or she enjoys a higher status in a society. While I do not deny that social accomplishments and education, distinguish people within the same society - but I also believe nothing gives a person the right to snub another. Also my experience tells me that those who snub, more often that not - enjoy a self made social status that was not earned though accomplishments or education. Another words - those who snub others do it out of complex and ignorance, rather than actualy belonging to a higher social class.

I remember some 10 years before the revolution - we went to Ramsar for a family vacation during the Norouz holidays. Hotel Ramsar had a game room and on it's door to my amazement, I saw a sign that read - "No Locals Allowed" !!! can you imagine the impact of such sign on a population, being prohibited to get into a venue within their own community ???!!

Tehranis in General lived/live a life of snubbing Shahrestanis. While at the same time, people from big cities snubbed villagers !! A villager was called a Dahati, in a big city, while a big city resident was called a Dahati in Tehran !!

While I do understand that people are different from one another - from one area to another - and from one heritage to another - but the biggest problem with Snubbing is that it's borders and boundaries are often defined by "Wealth" and nothing else !! While not condoning any kind of snubbish attitude - I do understand people distinguishing themselves from the rest in their community when they earn status as an acheiver. But most snubbing that I observed in Iran (and still do) is by the wealthy - and more often than not the Newly Wealthy !!

In our quest to get rid of akhoondism - we must not forget the problem of Snubbing amongst Iranians. And the best way to fight it is to not let anyone enjoy a special status because of wealth !! that fight has to start within us - we must not be overly impressed by wealth. I hope things have changed (or are changing) - but from where I am sitting many Iranians have a problem with flipping for the wealthy !!!
 
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It still going on AMirza, even more then before from what I have heard. It's mostly based on money now. If you don't live above Mirdamad, you're garbage, thats the concensus among many of the wealthy in Tehran. The middle class is getting smaller and smaller everyday too unfortunately.
Iranians do it even out of Iran, our people are real jerks alot of the time.
 

AMirza

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Fatso Jaan -
I know you are correct. Unfortunately - for as long as we have that problem, our country will be vunurable to sharlatans who will come around promissing the sky to the poor or even the middle class.

About the sentiment of people in north of Tehran - I am affraid you are correct again. The problem is that most obnouxious and snubbish northern Tehranis are those who have lived in northern Tehran for a very short time !! and yes it's mostly wealth that is the class guage these days. The most popular and respected people in northern Tehran are those who can afford to throw a party once a month - people give them all the respect just to be invited !! this is quiet sickening - especialy the way the respect these idiots receive gets into their heads !!!
 
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When I was a kid, once I went to an ice cream with some other kids for get together. The shop had a sign on it that said “Special to Moslems, the Entrance of non-Moslems Strictly Prohibited”. We had this friend that had red hairs, and kind of light skin. The shop keeper who was a mean guy throw him out of the store and told him “this place does not belong to Armenian like you, go out”. The poor kid who (who was a Moslem) was begging the shop keeper to let me in. He kept insisting that he was not Armenian and he was a Moslem, but that did not do any good. He had to leave. We laughed at that a lot. But that was indeed a sad event. Our society is full of discriminations.
 

Oldman

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Ba dorood:

Abe Hozi, I wonder if the red head fellow could have proven to the shopkeeper that he is not Armenian then he would have had his ice crème.

Do I need to spell out as HOW?! ;)

Amirza, indeed it all goes back to our NAA AAGAAHI that has held Islamic Rip-off in charge!
 

Saeedb

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About issues like this you have to write books. What I believe in is that Jimy Carter
put pressure to shah to give more freedom and release political prisoners. later Khomeini started a campain against shah. To response shah published a letter from
one of khomeini's die heart fan which resultet in roits in Qum. The free political prisoners saw this as an opportunity to overthorw shah. So they all supported
khomeini as the leader. Very soon American, British ... got afraid that cominist could
take the country. Since shah's army killed many people in streets it was possible that
soviet union attacks Iran in the same style as in Afganistan and since people were
sick of shah and would be happy to get ride of him by any means.
So American did their best to get Khomeini to power(From books like how America overthorw me by Mohandes Bazargan and a book from Howeida's brother whos title i do not recall).
There is no ducument that U actually planned this revelution. They may tell us later
but they normally do not tell these things unless it is late. Personally I think these
hebi people were already active before the revelution they tried tricks to send inoccent people to demonstrations but were carefully behind the scene. And I want to add that Shah showed khomeini lots of weeckness. Using Sharif emami as primminister who showed the killing of students on tv to say that he supports freedom of press was
a suicide. The worse was Azhari who said they color the streets to say we are killing people. Iranians were never told about khomeini facts like he was against "eslahate arzi" and he was not so well educated, he actually was in connection with terrorist
nver came forward. I also want to add I think people was sick of curupption specially
in police and thought if they deliver the country to mullahs they will fight curruption
effectively.


Now about sbubbing. I want to say one thing clear. In my life I have observed that
it is not a good idea to be frind with many kind of people. If you are dentist then you
enjoy beiing with denttists. If you are a computer progeammer it is a goood idea to be amoung programmeres. Why because you save lots of time you learn more and get more time to solve your problems. If you understand what I said that is not snubbing.
It is not snubbing either if you don't enjoy certain friends simply because they are interested in different thing than you do.
Otherwise snubbed people are not talented. If none of the above is the case then
ignore those people who you think are snubbed. You will find out later that they were
not woth it. I come form tehran but have never had problem with shahrestanis. Very
often I found out they were talented and quicker than I was.
So much I can write about this.
 
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well said masoud jaan, you hit the nail right on the head.
I try to do just the opposite sometimes.
like the other day as I was leaving work to go to lunch, I asked this lady if she needed something at the store. she said no...blah blah..

any way when I got back she saw me and I told her good thing she didnt ask for anything bcs my credit card bounced ;)'
lol now I dont hardly know this lady I dont even know her name but I see her a lot everyday. she was surprised and sad at first but then I laughed and so she laughed as well.

hey it is not a sin to have no money in the bank is it?
hell watching that trashy american tv is a hell of a lot more sin than anythiong.
so ppl wake up...
dont be snobbish.

but masoud jaan there were a lot of 'details' which led to the disaster of 78. you pointed out a good one.