Iran's eventual fate

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setting bait for a proposal ?
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If the U.S. wants a to make a deal with Iran, President Donald Trump will have to pick up the phone, Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Bahram Qassemi said Monday, according to the AP.

The statement comes a week after Trump said Iran is “feeling a lot of pain right now” due to increasing U.S. sanctions, the Jerusalem Post reports. “At a certain point they’re going to call me and say ‘let’s make a deal,’ and we’ll make a deal,” he said.

http://fortune.com/2018/07/16/iran-trump-call-deal/


They surely can't afford to deal with another set of embargo.. willing more than anything to settle it down..
 

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Article from Guardian pointing to a much harsher punishment of IR ...

Western allies fear that Trump, egged on by the Saudis and Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who conferred with Putin in Moscow last week, may privately offer de facto US recognition of Crimea’s annexation and an easing of Ukraine-related sanctions in meeting with Putin. In return, he would seek Putin’s agreement to push Iran out of Syria, thereby safeguarding Israel’s border and weakening Tehran’s influence in Lebanon and the wider region.

Any such deal would spell survival for Bashar al-Assad, Syria’s Russian-backed war criminal president, while confirming Moscow’s Middle East ascendancy. It would mark a historic betrayal of pro-democracy, anti-Assad forces that helped battle Islamic State. It would be a possibly terminal calamity for Nato, splitting the alliance and potentially destroying its credibility in eastern Europe. And it would wreck Britain’s efforts to punish Putin after the Salisbury nerve gas attacks.

‘Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu conferred with Putin in Moscow last week.’

But Trump cares nothing for such fallout, for his ultimate, undisguised objective far exceeds the mere stifling of Iranian ambitions. It is nothing less than all-out regime change. Anybody who recalls the build-up to the Iraq war can read the signs: Trump’s incitement of a national uprising during last December’s street protests, his evisceration of the 2015 nuclear deal, sweeping new sanctions, hypocritical protests about human rights and relentless attempts to demonise and isolate Iran’s leaders. It all points one way. So, too, does the unilateral US global embargo on Iranian oil exports,beginning this autumn.
 

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article points out a reform is much needed, I guess west is not ready for so much court time for the criminals..

“Destabilizing Iran would be like shaking up a kaleidoscope and hoping to get a Titian. It is far from clear that the outcome would be better than what we have now.”
side note; Iran’s average daily per-capita water consumption is 250 liters (66 gallons), twice the global average, while drought ravages the country.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...gime-change-advocates-create-recipe-for-chaos
 

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article points out a reform is much needed, I guess west is not ready for so much court time for the criminals..

“Destabilizing Iran would be like shaking up a kaleidoscope and hoping to get a Titian. It is far from clear that the outcome would be better than what we have now.”
side note; Iran’s average daily per-capita water consumption is 250 liters (66 gallons), twice the global average, while drought ravages the country.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...gime-change-advocates-create-recipe-for-chaos
The author sounds like he is benefiting from the status quo. Either that or he is a moron.
 

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If you thought with a generation passing on things will get better in Iran, think again.

On foreign policy, the new generation strongly opposes any sort of relationship with the West, rather emphasizing strong ties with the East, including Russia. In addition to slamming Rouhani for the nuclear deal with the West, they blame the hard-liner old guard for coming to the terms with the JCPOA. In line with their effort advocating relationships with the East, young hard-liners on social networks and on shows on state TV have been ardently portraying Russia and its president, Vladimir Putin, as new members of the axis of resistance and as being influenced by Iran's revolutionary policies.

In the coming years, the role of the innovative revolutionaries is likely to increase, presenting the new face of the hard-liners as Russophiles who are softer on cultural matters but more strident in political affairs and generally uncompromising.


https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...on-innovative-revolutionaries-hardliners.html
 
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Gathering and sensing that IR is really about to resist the remainder of Trumps term..while partners looking for exemptions and alliance to remedy the short term pain.

almost all of Iran’s most important trading partners are – in one way or another – trying to find ways to dilute the impact of the US measures so they can continue to trade as freely as possible.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2018-07-20/will-china-undermine-trumps-iran-strategy

https://www.forbes.com/sites/domini...gton-allies-undermine-sanctions/#2a6558d91906
 
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Manook on matters and personalities... and history repeats itself. (haha refers to mollabamas )

Touches on Lion's tail , Saudi regime change, Zarif, masih alinejad, NYT, opposition news groups, Kissinger's influence on Putin, etc and how ownership of Iran is important.

Say opposition died with Bakhtiar.. R Pahlavi spinning wheels, and how NIAC's been defeated by Trump and how NIAC started by Namazi family (in jail now).

 
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Iran ex footballer on economy, government corruption etc


Funny ex footballer is discussing Iran and its future and others been fixated with football .. I don't resent no one , it's just how it is.. but soon there may not be enough money to have a team, federation, semi decent coach etc etc.
 
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A8K

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با توام ایرانه خانم زیبا





دق که ندانی که چیست گرفتم دق که ندانی تو خانم زیبا
حال تمامَم از آن تو بادا گر چه ندارم خانه در این جا خانه در آن جا
سَر که ندارم که طشت بیاری که سر دَهَمَت سر
با توام ایرانه خانم زیبا!

رضا براهنی شاعر
 
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Brian Hook's appointment of a new group as advisorys to Trump/Pompeo is to enforce the sanction and 12 points Trump presented. I thought his regards to the nuke contract and vision to modify and not to scrap was the idea of using him. Doesn't look good for IR and a no-negotiation stance.

sounds like sohrab Sobhani will be in charge of 24 hours new TV station as proposed.
 
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A8K

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PART DEUX TIMES TRE ..

LOL SAYS ZARIF HAS SAID " man 40 sal dar amrika alaaf boodam, amrika ra nemishenasam"

 
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LOL. Manook khoda bakhshian should stop watching history channel and directly borrow from their narrative.

in my experience Iranian analysts abroad are not worth listening to when it comes to internal political dynamics in Iran.
The only 2 guys consistently know what they are talking about are Hossein Bastani and Morad Veisi.
 

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^ quoting if fine as long as it's truthful and it makes sense.. he's not claiming to first hand doing the analysis or having been there.. always mentions reading/investigating, and I think that includes watching too..

what's is wrong with what he presents if you have something to identify?????? otherwise dont' kill the message along with the messenger.
 

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well can you prove otherwise? I mean it's a plausible theory.. it's like saying mullahs are backed by Brits , not too far-fetched. Khamenei was put in place, is not like he reached it and it was a temp assignment. Sepah is really run IR, I also subscribe to it.

Head of forces talks even before the president rejecting talking to the US. Can you do better?

Issue I have with manook is that he pushes for Reza Pahlavi which still makes sense, but RP needs a network of ppl, there's practically no one we know who is presented and will be working with RP.

to start with his claim that khamaenie is simply a puppet of Sepah.