Iran's eventual fate

A8K

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^ when Hillary was other choice and corruption were known, there was no other choice. PPl get sick of the same shit, in this case Obama; majority of Americans are racist by nature not sure how Obama got in, was bankers' choice.

Americans really don't have a choice other than not voting which doesn't put someone in the office.
 
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he downfall from this will be bigger than the crap they went through after 8 years of Bush. Akhe masghareye olagh, who are you? House of Lannister? LOL!
most of politics are domestic in iran or U.S

people mostly against other people, rather than pro a certain person.

there are plenty of iranian who voted for rouhani in spite of not liking him just because they did not like Raieesi
Same goes for Ahmadi and Mousavi

I know plenty of folks who voted for Trump who don't approve of his personal character issues.
but at the end of the day, most people vote for team red or blue. mostly this is determined by how your parents voted before you.

by the way if Hillary had been in power, Iran and U.S might have engaged more directly militarily in Syria and Yemen.

Credit to Trump where it is due; he has by in large stayed out of escalating wars.

discredit to him.: he decried the iraq war as a stupid one. then he put in guys Bolton who were the architects
of the Iraq in Charge.

when it comes foreign policy, Trump has no doctrine. he will do whatever feels right for his own personal ego, what he preceives as good of country and his domestic political agenda.
 
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A8K

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#85
^Looks respectful but I think they know that flag will be usd over and over.. keeping it clean!
 

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#86
What a pile of nonsense by Ahmad Batebi. I don't understand why people try to portray Iranians as "friends" of America. They're not. They elect officials who are sworn enemies of America. They send their children to schools that teach hatred towards the US on a daily basis. They elect to be completely indifferent towards the hatred shoved down their throat year after year.

Iranians may not be able to do much harm to America due to various reasons, but they're far from 'friendly'. At best Iranians are accessories to hostility towards the US. That's not friendly at all.
 

A8K

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^Those elections are not truly reflecting what Iranians think but it's also not like it's 90% pro US. I'd say a good third to 45% align with opening with the US, and am being conservative, this could be a good 65%.

10% of Iran rule the rest and they got the media to back them up.
 
#88
What a pile of nonsense by Ahmad Batebi. I don't understand why people try to portray Iranians as "friends" of America. They're not. They elect officials who are sworn enemies of America. They send their children to schools that teach hatred towards the US on a daily basis. They elect to be completely indifferent towards the hatred shoved down their throat year after year.

Iranians may not be able to do much harm to America due to various reasons, but they're far from 'friendly'. At best Iranians are accessories to hostility towards the US. That's not friendly at all.
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Horseshit is worth more than Election results in Iran. I stop here you know the rest.
 

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most of politics are domestic in iran or U.S

people mostly against other people, rather than pro a certain person.

there are plenty of iranian who voted for rouhani in spite of not liking him just because they did not like Raieesi
Same goes for Ahmadi and Mousavi

I know plenty of folks who voted for Trump who don't approve of his personal character issues.
but at the end of the day, most people vote for team red or blue. mostly this is determined by how your parents voted before you.

by the way if Hillary had been in power, Iran and U.S might have engaged more directly militarily in Syria and Yemen.

Credit to Trump where it is due; he has by in large stayed out of escalating wars.

discredit to him.: he decried the iraq war as a stupid one. then he put in guys Bolton who were the architects
of the Iraq in Charge.

when it comes foreign policy, Trump has no doctrine. he will do whatever feels right for his own personal ego, what he preceives as good of country and his domestic political agenda.

I still don't understand your point but ok.
 

A8K

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Oct 22, 2016
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^ He appreciates that fact that Trump speaks from both sides of his mouth. Example given was Bolton.

Also at BT earlier, Trump is nothing new, same old 20 years old policy of US Republicans being at the throat of chinese. He only brings a new face to the table and a language apealing to redneck and racists, and in America a good % appreciate that because foreigners are reaping benefits of the US while many (whites/black/hispanics) can not.
 

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^ He appreciates that fact that Trump speaks from both sides of his mouth. Example given was Bolton.

Also at BT earlier, Trump is nothing new, same old 20 years old policy of US Republicans being at the throat of chinese. He only brings a new face to the table and a language apealing to redneck and racists, and in America a good % appreciate that because foreigners are reaping benefits of the US while many (whites/black/hispanics) can not.
That's only your opinion. Trump is definitely something new and a good new.
 
Oct 18, 2002
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I still don't understand your point but ok.
the point is iranians are always looking for execuses.

excuses such as Shah Fell because Carter did not support him.

Mosadegh Fell because Americans backstabbed him.

America Rejected Iran's cooperation in Afghanistan Arena and put Iran in Axis of Evil.

America went back on it's promise on JCPOA.

Well the reality is International relations is not about fairness.

Iran has been fighting about its weight class for a quite a while (by having a very effective long term military strategy).

however, Iran has totally neglected political development (Political reforms in iran have been way too slow, given that the movement started 20 years ago)

Most importantly, Systematic (society wide; not just government) culture of corruption has seriously hampered iran's economy.


That said iran will probably barely survive this. But it will get worse before it gets better.

That's because Iran's only way to get beyond this is probably to go more defiant, build more x, y ,z. so they have
some options to push back when they get back to negotiating table.

That is assuming every stays constant. which is rarely does; Trump can be impeached (unlikely), Khamenie can die, Massive Earth Quake in Tehran..
 
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Trump is nothing new, same old 20 years old policy of US Republicans
Actually the same 40 year old policy of cutting Taxes for the Rich.

Democrats pretty much had the same policy with maybe a few percentage difference.


But essentially, you are correct. Under Trump policy has not really changed (There are supercial changes). That is precisely why republican orthodoxy has not embraced him. they see him as a guy they can't beat; but they might as well join him because he implmenting their desired policies..

Secure Our Borders things (Bush used to say that too. ) but took minimal action on it with rhetoric that was reserved. Regan said it too


in the long not much will change in America.

The Rich will get richer. The poor will and middle class muddle along. there will be another boiling point.

Perhaps when (probably) the dollar loses its reserve currency status.
 
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A8K

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Oct 22, 2016
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#94
That's only your opinion. Trump is definitely something new and a good new.
well if you reread his next post, he also says Trump is nothing new but then again some of his TV acting may fool you. He's facilitated pipelines for koch brothers and sold arms to arabs for the most part and also cut tax for the rich. Same thing happened during Bush era, Oil and military did well and so did the stock market and as the result real estate and economy to a degree but nothing meaningful and everlasting.
 

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طرح تنبیه کشورهای همکار آمریکا در اعمال تحریم علیه ایران در مجلس شورای اسلامی تهیه و تدوین شد....

- مثلا دیگه اجازه نمیدید از ریال بعنوان ارز رایج استفاده کنن؟ یعنی دیگه بهشون تکنولوژی نمی دید؟ پیش دستی میکنید و نفت بهشون نمیفروشید؟

از خنده میمیرن که
 

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the point is iranians are always looking for execuses.

excuses such as Shah Fell because Carter did not support him.

Mosadegh Fell because Americans backstabbed him.

America Rejected Iran's cooperation in Afghanistan Arena and put Iran in Axis of Evil.

America went back on it's promise on JCPOA.

Well the reality is International relations is not about fairness.

Iran has been fighting about its weight class for a quite a while (by having a very effective long term military strategy).

however, Iran has totally neglected political development (Political reforms in iran have been way too slow, given that the movement started 20 years ago)

Most importantly, Systematic (society wide; not just government) culture of corruption has seriously hampered iran's economy.


That said iran will probably barely survive this. But it will get worse before it gets better.

That's because Iran's only way to get beyond this is probably to go more defiant, build more x, y ,z. so they have
some options to push back when they get back to negotiating table.

That is assuming every stays constant. which is rarely does; Trump can be impeached (unlikely), Khamenie can die, Massive Earth Quake in Tehran..

How was Mossadegh toppled then? By tripping up the stairs?
 
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#98
How was Mossadegh toppled then? By tripping up the stairs?
Of course Mossadegh was by in large toppled by foreign forces.

however, the responsibility is on the iranian leader to ensure a coup deta can not be put in place.

you are gone always get back-stabbed so you might as well make sure that your back is secure

the old expression in farsi comes to mind.

"مالت را سفت بچسب, همسایت را دزد نکن"


as comes to JCPOA, Iran did a shitty job negotiating it.
So Osoolgra people actually had a point when they were bitching about JCPOA.

however, Iran did a shitty job negotiating because it had a weak hand and back in 2013 the economy was in tatters.

so when i say we make excuses. It was known by many that JCPOA was not well designed.

It put all of iran's obligations upfront while the other parties obligations were put on the backburner and there was no way to enforce it.

but then again Zarif and Araghchi were not idiots either; They were just kicking the can down the road