Is Assad at the verge and what does his fall mean for Iran?!

Jun 9, 2004
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#42
Come on man, I know even you're not that naive. If you were one of the rebels and captured scud missiles, you would aim them at residential areas under your control or at the Presidential Palace?!
 

Hassan1980

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Come on man, I know even you're not that naive. If you were one of the rebels and captured scud missiles, you would aim them at residential areas under your control or at the Presidential Palace?!
شورشین چندین بر مردم سوریه رو قتل ام کردن و تقصیر اسد انداختن که کمک خارجی بگیرن، پول و اسلحه.



بله جناب
 

BehzadB

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After listening to Kerry on NPR yesterday, I get the sense that U.S and the West don't know what to do with Syria's situation. The Assad opposition are divided ( there are the moderate groups and known Islamists who are considered to be Terrorist organization by the U.S department of state) and this has created a lot of uncertainty for the Americans and I am sure the same is ture for average Syrians.
 

Flint

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#47
When the opposition is divided is when you need to bring in leadership. US should go in and arm the group that they think are the less crazy ones. At the time, FSA seems to be the one. When Islamists see the other guys are driving Hummers and they are in Toyota pickups, they get the picture.
 
Jun 9, 2004
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Yeah, US and European ambivalence on the issue is getting real annoying. They said today that they will give $60 million to rebels in "non-lethal" aid. The rebels said they need almost that much money every day just to administer the areas under their control! At least the Arabs have started to send some real weapons and money to the rebel leadership. There are reports that more sophisticated MANPADS and anti-tank missiles have been distributed to the rebels in the past few days, but to get them, along with a $100 salary for each fighter, the need to confirm allegiance to the leadership. I think that's a smart idea given all the complications with the Al-Nusra front.
 

Flint

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Yeah, US and European ambivalence on the issue is getting real annoying. They said today that they will give $60 million to rebels in "non-lethal" aid. The rebels said they need almost that much money every day just to administer the areas under their control! At least the Arabs have started to send some real weapons and money to the rebel leadership. There are reports that more sophisticated MANPADS and anti-tank missiles have been distributed to the rebels in the past few days, but to get them, along with a $100 salary for each fighter, the need to confirm allegiance to the leadership. I think that's a smart idea given all the complications with the Al-Nusra front.
I am baffled by Obama. He was so quick on the trigger with Kaddafi who was a truly marginalized figure with no following and yet Assad is ripe for the picking and he is dilly dallying. He must know that the whole house of cards that IR has built over the past 35 years is about to come down. I am aware of the risk of arming strangers and I have said there is no substitute for the First Marine Division to escort Assad out of his house but if you are not gonna do that help others. What is this "non-lethat" mumbo jumbo? You want to stop the hurt, win the war.
 
Jun 9, 2004
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#52
Yeah, I'm getting pretty frustrated with the situation myself. His dilly dallying has definitely become annoying. I think they jumped the gun with Libya and the Russians and the Chinese weren't too happy with that, so I'm sure that's playing into the equation, although I can't see it being too big of an issue since the Russians are still feeding arms to Assad. The only other thing I can think of (making the two situations different) is that Israel is next door and they obviously didn't want major instability, but I think we're way past that point now. Needless to say, I'm pretty dumbfounded on this one.
 

Silverton

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I just think Syria's situation is so complicated (too many variables and factors to consider) and the outcome will have such great repercussions - I mean geographically, they may be the most important Mid-East country.

Victory will come from God alone. Kudos to the Syrians for the fight, they have virtually lost everything but their faith and they are fighting against Bashar Assad and the legacy of his criminal father.
 
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هر دو گروه
هم رژیم سوریه هم این تروریست هایی که اسم خودشان را ارتش ازاد و جهاد و نصره و گردان عمر و گردان معاویه گذاشتند قاتل و امد کش هستند
مگه همین ها یک هفته پیش در دمشق یک ماشین رو منفجر نکردند شصت هفتاد نفر کشته شدند
و دو هفته پیش کنار یک مدرسه بمب گذاری کردند و کودکان را کشتند جرمشان این بود که بین انها بچه های چند افسر ارتش بودند
بعد میروند توی خانه های مردم سنگر میگیرند اگر رژیم که دست کمی از خودشان ندارد موشک زد ننه من غریبم در می اورند
وحاضر هم نیستند مذاکره کنند
می خواهند با جنگ رژیم را از بین ببرند رژیم هم ارتش دارد نیرو دارد حکما کشت و کشتار می شود
دیگر گله کردن چرا؟
میروند بچه های ارتشیان را می کشند دها کودک بیگناه
انوقت وقتی پدران اینها میان و خانه هایشان را ویران می کنند می گویند چرا؟
خوب نکش
 
Jun 9, 2004
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#56
As it turns out, the new arms have been purchased from Croatia by the Saudis - this was revealed by NYT on Monday and I must have missed it. As a result of that article, Croatia is now pulling out its peace keeping force from the Golan heights, despite denying the arms sales.


Croatia Is Withdrawing Soldiers From Israel-Syria Frontier

By DAN BILEFSKY
February 28, 2013
New York Times



Prime Minister Zoran Milanovic of Croatia said Thursday that his country would withdraw its soldiers from a United Nations peacekeeping force in the Golan Heights after reports that Croatia was selling weapons that were being funneled to antigovernment fighters in Syria. Croatia has nearly 100 soldiers serving with the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force, which is responsible for maintaining the fragile calm between Israeli and Syrian troops at the demilitarized zone along Syria’s Golan frontier that was established after a cease-fire ended the 1973 war. The decision to withdraw the soldiers from the area came after The New York Times reported on Monday that Saudi Arabia had underwritten a large purchase of infantry arms in Croatia.

Croatia has denied selling weapons to either Saudi Arabia or the Syrian rebels. But Mr. Milanovic said that reports of the sales had put Croatian soldiers at risk and that he was compelled to withdraw them because their safety could no longer be assured. “We can deny over and over again, but everyone has already read these reports and our soldiers are no longer safe,” he said at a cabinet meeting in Zagreb, the capital, citing the Times article. “We want them to return home safe and sound.”

According to United States and Western officials, in December arms left over from the Balkan wars of the 1990s began to reach rebels battling the forces of President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, via Jordan. Since then, officials said, several planeloads of weapons have left Croatia. Yugoslav weapons previously unseen in the conflict, including recoilless guns, assault rifles and machine guns, began to appear in videos posted by Syrian rebels on YouTube.

The infusion of arms appeared to signify a more activist approach to helping Syria’s armed opposition, and as a counterweight to Iranian support for the Assad government.
Before the Arab Spring uprisings of 2011, Croatia had relatively strong political and economic ties to Damascus. But analysts said that Croatia, which is to join the European Union this year, had since firmly sided with the rebels, abiding by European Union sanctions against Syria, offering financial aid to Syrian refugees and recognizing the Syrian opposition as the only legitimate representative of the Syrian people.
 
Jun 9, 2004
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#57
I am baffled by Obama. He was so quick on the trigger with Kaddafi who was a truly marginalized figure with no following and yet Assad is ripe for the picking and he is dilly dallying. He must know that the whole house of cards that IR has built over the past 35 years is about to come down. I am aware of the risk of arming strangers and I have said there is no substitute for the First Marine Division to escort Assad out of his house but if you are not gonna do that help others. What is this "non-lethat" mumbo jumbo? You want to stop the hurt, win the war.
And this video pretty much sums up the feeling among the rebels at this point as far as Russia and even the West. I can totally understand why they'd feel that way (btw it starts in Arabic, but there's an English translator):

[video=youtube_share;pNd4Rbr3irA]http://youtu.be/pNd4Rbr3irA[/video]
 

Silverton

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Nov 6, 2004
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And this video pretty much sums up the feeling among the rebels at this point as far as Russia and even the West. I can totally understand why they'd feel that way (btw it starts in Arabic, but there's an English translator):

[video=youtube_share;pNd4Rbr3irA]http://youtu.be/pNd4Rbr3irA[/video]
I pray these guys win. According to our Resident Rusky (Russian) here, these people are die-hard Salafis yet they speak intelligibly and logically.

Once Iranians win over IR, we should want nothing to do with Russia either, the harm they have caused and the terrorism they have supported ...
 

Flint

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Jan 28, 2006
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#59
And this video pretty much sums up the feeling among the rebels at this point as far as Russia and even the West. I can totally understand why they'd feel that way (btw it starts in Arabic, but there's an English translator):

[video=youtube_share;pNd4Rbr3irA]http://youtu.be/pNd4Rbr3irA[/video]
Are you listening, Secretary Kerry? You have an American-ally in the waiting. They have done all the work now go in for the finish and take the credit. It is a no brainer. Come to think of it, it is playing out nicely. As imperfect as it is, from Afghanistan to Iraq and now Syria, we are seeing an arc of pro American countries. Iran will have no outlets pretty soon.
 

Fatso

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Oct 1, 2004
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Are you listening, Secretary Kerry? You have an American-ally in the waiting. They have done all the work now go in for the finish and take the credit. It is a no brainer. Come to think of it, it is playing out nicely. As imperfect as it is, from Afghanistan to Iraq and now Syria, we are seeing an arc of pro American countries. Iran will have no outlets pretty soon.
Yap. Just like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan and ...

The poor Syrian people stuck in the middle of these bloodthirsty sides.