islam & quran or ghoran or whatever you would like to call it !!!

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وَالسَّارِقُ وَالسَّارِقَةُ فَاقْطَعُواْ أَيْدِيَهُمَا جَزَاء بِمَا كَسَبَا نَكَالاً مِّنَ اللّهِ وَاللّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ./////////// و مرد و زن دزد را به سزاى آنچه كردهاند دستشان را به عنوان كيفرى از جانب خدا ببريد و خداوند توانا و حكيم است
سوره مائده آیه ۳۸

بله حکم خدا و اسلام است

قابل توجه آن دسته از دوستانی که میگویند اسلام واقعی
چیزی دیگری است و منبع مهر است
 
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وَالسَّارِقُ وَالسَّارِقَةُ فَاقْطَعُواْ أَيْدِيَهُمَا جَزَاء بِمَا كَسَبَا نَكَالاً مِّنَ اللّهِ وَاللّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ./////////// و مرد و زن دزد را به سزاى آنچه كردهاند دستشان را به عنوان كيفرى از جانب خدا ببريد و خداوند توانا و حكيم است
سوره مائده آیه ۳۸

بله حکم خدا و اسلام است

قابل توجه آن دسته از دوستانی که میگویند اسلام واقعی
چیزی دیگری است و منبع مهر است
Love your avatar ZE jan!
 

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Religions are all the same: ancient, outdated and harsh:

http://www.iranica.com/articles/dad-1-law

There is ample evidence for a gradual mitigation or modification of the ancient harsh civil and penal code during the Sasanian period. The author of the Letter of Tansar, which was in all likelihood composed or thoroughly revised in the 6th century c.e., after the suppression of the Mazdakite insurrection, referred to the abolition of lex talionis, elimination of mutilation for most crimes, and substitution of fines for corporal punishment: “t was formerly the custom that a man who gave a blow received one, and a man who inflicted a wound suffered one, and the brigand and the thief were both mutilated, and the adulterer likewise. He (Ardašīr ī Pābagān) has laid down a law whereby for a wound there is a fixed fine in proportion to it, so that the wrongdoer may suffer from that and the victim receive benefit and comfort” (Nāma-ye Tansar, 1354 Š./1975, pp. 62-63; tr. p. 42). Apart from occasional assessment of mortal sins or capital offenses punish***able by death (marg-arzānīh), penal laws are almost entirely missing from the surviving lawbooks. The ancient pre-Sasanian penal code has been preserved in the Vidēvdād (chaps. 4, 6, 14, 15) and in the Pahlavi epitome of the Nikātum Nask (Dēnkard, ed. Madan, II, pp. 693-721) and the nask of Duzd-sar-nizad (Dēnkard, ed. Madan, II, pp. 721-34; West, pp. 35-92). A mea***sure of these changes is clear from the substitution of a fine of 1,200 drahms for 200 stripes, the former punishment for the sin of tānapuhl (Darmesteter, p. 40), adultery with a married woman (Mādayān, pt. 1, p. 73).
 

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More for you from Vendidad:

http://www.avesta.org/vendidad/vd8sbe.htm

73. O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! If worshippers of Mazda, walking, or running, or riding, or driving, come upon a Nasu-burning fire, whereon Nasu is being burnt or cooked54, what shall they do? 54. For food. See Vd7.23-24. [Cannibalism -JHP]
74. Ahura Mazda answered: 'They shall kill the man that cooks the Nasu; surely they shall kill him55. They shall take off the cauldron, they shall take off the tripod. 55. 'He who burns Nasu (dead matter) must be killed. Burning or cooking Nasu from the dead is a capital crime. . . . Four men can be put to death by any one without an order from the Dastur: the Nasu-burner, the highwayman, the Sodomite, and the criminal taken in the deed' (Comm.)
 
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جناب ضدانقلاب :

شما چرا کفر میگی برادر؟ شما قرآن را نمیشناسی. من ای کیو ۲۰۰ دارم و هزار بار این متن را خوانده ام و شما چیزی حالت نمیشه. این آیه که شما اینجا درج کردی تعبیر دیگه داره که به اشتباه ترجمه شده. در حقیقت این آیه یک معجزه است که در قرآن معجزه زیاد آمده است.

اسلام دین محبت و صلح و قرآن کتابی پر از اسرار و معجزه است. مگر نمیبینی یک میلیارد گدا گشنه بی سواد و پا برهنه به این دین بزرگ ایمان دارند؟ چه معجزه از این بهتر؟

انشالله سر فرصت در جای دیگر در مورد این آیه سخن خو اهم گفت تا همه دوستان یاد بگیرند. الان وقت ندارم چون باید داستان های گوگولی رو تکمیل کنم.

بله جانم


سردار اشتر چهار پایان
مدیر مارکتینگ حزب مهر
 
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Most (if not all) of Ghor'an is left for interpretation by an "authorized" person.
I met 1 of these people once and he said what Ghor'an means is to give the thieves a job or provide other things (like social justice) for them so they wont steal.

when Ghor'an said "Cut Off" does it mean by knife??

when the Arabs "cut off" the oil to the west back in the 70's did they use the hack saw? (to cut the oil/pipes)?

yet the same stupid morons translate things the way they like them to be... like the word "Spouse" which they x-late (conveniently) as "Wife" and many other mistranslations which I can even tell is wrong.


BTW (since I am not going to stick around).....
things like adultery can only be proved if there were 4 witnesses present at the time of the act!!
That is more than fair enough.
And whats more fair , is that you cannot force admission to guilt, you cannot use witnesses of questionable characters and many other things which make a conviction very hard.
of course when the stupid ppl followed their stomachs and below and gave their religions away this is what they get. regimes with bunch of bastards and monsters and subhumans as religious leaders.

I guess you cant have the cake and eat it too. (or was it Kate and Edith)? :)
 
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My favourite bullshit is the idiotic morons who argue that Qoraan says every human being has a unique finger print. If you read the Ayeh, it doesn't say such a thing at all and you need to twist it ever so imaginatively to reach such an interpretation.

Yet when a sentence is as clear as the above it is twisted again to be something else.

Basically the clowns interpret it anyway they like and think the rest of us are fools.
 
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My favourite bullshit is the idiotic morons who argue that Qoraan says every human being has a unique finger print. If you read the Ayeh, it doesn't say such a thing at all and you need to twist it ever so imaginatively to reach such an interpretation.

Yet when a sentence is as clear as the above it is twisted again to be something else.

Basically the clowns interpret it anyway they like and think the rest of us are fools.

کفار گرامی***:

این درک ناقص شما از الهیات است. چه معجزه ایی از این بیش، یک مشت کلمات عربی*** را هر جور که عضو شریفتان عشق کرد، تعبیر کنید و کلام خدا و حق بنامید؟

۱۴۰۰ سال است که با این اراجیف صاحب روح و مغز و دلٔ ساده لوحان شودند و بر جان و روحشان حاکم. چه معجزه ایی از این بیش؟
 
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Most (if not all) of Ghor'an is left for interpretation by an "authorized" person.
I met 1 of these people once and he said what Ghor'an means is to give the thieves a job or provide other things (like social justice) for them so they wont steal.

when Ghor'an said "Cut Off" does it mean by knife??

when the Arabs "cut off" the oil to the west back in the 70's did they use the hack saw? (to cut the oil/pipes)?
LOOL! Priceless!

What do you think an Arab meant by saying "cut off fingers" 1400 years ago? lool

Did the arabs have discovered Oil 1400 years ago to cut it off?

I find it amusing how moslems try to defend that savage book by making use of all kind of ridiculous remarks and self interpretation of that book. According to Quran itself, there is nothing to interpret about it. Quran says: "we have sent it down in arabic so that you can understand".

Baba dametoon garm, age khode ghoraane khodetoono bekhoonid kaafiye, hame javaabaatoon too hamoon ketaabetoone. Quran itself sees it a primarily goal to make it be easily understood, and you guys come up and tell me its atom physic and soooooo complex and can be interpreted this or that way. So your Allah meant to be kind to those thieves by saying cut their hands and legs! Maahaa faghat nafahmim o nemifahmim manzoore khodaa chi boode. ajab...

إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ
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Be aware of the ones who are messenger of god, but yet talk of hatred, revenge, killing, torturing, and punishment. Especially, if they themselves have killed. Be aware of a messenger of god that did not set the same rights for women, while other men around him did.

As for Sasanids also being harsh on punishments, I would say, it takes that kind of mentality to be able to accept a religion that has such horribly harsh punishments as words of the creator of such vast universe.

To understand god and the universe it is like trying to understand the ocean. The expanding universe and god's laws are too complicated to be explained through a book.
 
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vaghti migam vaghih tarin o doroo tarin fergheh hamin shiast, dalilesh hamin kesaafat baaziaast. The sunnis have the same god and book but they atleast are honest enough to be commited to their backward religion. In Saudi Arabia thieves get their hands and legs cut off and they dont accept anything different because they are atleast honest to themselves and their book. They say its allahs will according to quran so it has to be this way.

this doroo i dorangi is mostley seen among the shiites. They are not even man enough to admit that this is their book, its a savage book, and they are commited to this book regardless. They then come up with this interpretation stuff and many more ridiculous stuff to make a savage god look loving and careing.
 
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Chianski, are you saying that Islam is like the Islamic republic? It is compassionate and loving as long as you are on its side, do what it says, otherwise, its rage, anger, and revenge, punishment, and killing is so horribly brutal?

Its laws such as sexuality, freedom of expression, etc.. are hard to comprehend by an intellectual mind not born into it, or those who exit out of it. Yet punishment of death and torture are set upon it by the one compassionate god and its followers.
 
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Lord jaan, once people start understaning that this so called religion is made by opportunist men like all the other religions of the world, things will get much clearer to alot of people. What does an opportunist want? To make life for himself and his followers easier. God in quran didnt have anything better to do than to regulate how many women mohammad is allowed to fuck and marry. God leaves everything aside and start thinking about who is halaal to mohammad. God, that almighty thing has no better idea to make man and woman to understand eachother than to suggest, you go and beat up your wife, imprison her evenif it might lead to her death...and on and on...

Islam is an attempt of the illiterate and bi hame chiz to finally own something, to maintain the wealth and get even more. Islam has been siaasat o eghtesaad baraaye ye mosht aadame nafahm o paa berehne who simply were fed up of being born losers. You simply cant keep Islam out of politics as you would make it become absolutely irrelevant. Islam can only survive when they are involved in social life, in politics and everything else.

The problem is there are only two kinds of moslems:
1- Those who are born as moslems and just took it as it is. They defend islam to death without having read one single page of it. They are in my opinion the dumbs who are not strong enough to question some araajif because they think they will get into hell and burn if they question khodaa o payaambare khodaa, darsoorati ke they actually want to come to heaven with all those virgins and whores some idiot promised them in case they follow them blindly.

2- They exactly know what kind of savagery islam stands for and they still take it as gods words and follow it. Well would you call this kind of a human still a human?
 
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The goal should be to create a country where anyone can have their religion without affecting others. I dont care if people's gods are sheeps or fire, or statues or themselves.

Iranians not respecting each other, telling each others how to live their lives, etc.. is that affect of Iranian society of a muslim country? Or is it just the effect of people of that part of the world?

Question is whether it is possible in a muslim country to be self-expressed and not get a harsh treatement?
 
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Question is whether it is possible in a muslim country to be self-expressed and not get a harsh treatement?
Basically not. Sure there are some moslem countries that are not as harsh as some other countries but aslong as the majority of those societies are moslems, you actually always have to fear the extremistic part of Islam to strike back to gain power and win the upper hand again because as i said, Islam is not and doesnt consider itself as just a religion. Islam wants to rule a society, Islam is politics aswell, it wants to make people think and live the way Islam wants it to be. Is the country too open to other ways of life, to different ways of living and thinking, real moslems always feel offended, they feel like their book and religion is getting undermined so they become radical very fast. Look at Turkey. On paper its a secular democracy, but under the table the number of extremist moslems is growing fast, the number of women that wear chador o roosari is growing fast, they are already fed up with that kind of democracy that brought naked tourists to their coasts (although they are benefiting from them financially), in their opinion Turkey is way to open, way to liberal, way to european (which is not the case but tell it to a radical moslem)...

Pull the pro-secular army out of Turkey and that country would be one of the worst kinds of islamic republics in the region within 20 years. Islam and moslems, earlier or sooner feel offended by Democracy, secular thoughts, freedom of speach...