Israel hitting Syria at will, tooman tumbling, US policy choking the akhund republic ...

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and all these shit bags can do is to burn a note book sized flag...

good riddance ...

i guess we thought coup d'etat, rebellion, revolution blah blah ...

it took a businessman to choke these cock suckers cutting off the money ...

i would love to see the reverse scenario of 1400 arab invasion where akhounds and bassij leaders(not the mass) be dragged into the streets by Iranian people (not foreign armies)
 
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What has Obama got to do with this, that his leftie liberal lovers will "never learnt"?
A lot actually. Obama was the one who championed this whole "negotiation" initiative with the Islamic Republic. No one was stupid enough to actually want to sit at a table with those cunts. He gave that regime a major boost and lots of confidence in supressing the 2009 uprisings and to top it off he later made deals with the regime that resulted in I.R becoming much more influential than it ever dreamed. Obama was a godsend for I.R.
 
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Obama was a godsend for I.R.
Both Obama and Trump are godsends for IR. The first increases legitimisation of the regime, and.... the second increases legitimisation of the regime, both in different ways (Example: Directly due to recent events, Boris Johnson is now driven more closely to snake Zarif than was ever the case with Philip Hammond). People who are being partisan about them because of their own current political leanings (for whatever reason) are being remarkably callow.

Despite being born and bred in the West, I want regime change just like the next guy. But people thinking that any Iranian insurrection will be ignited by axis of Trump and friends are as naive as people who wanted change before the 1979 revolution. It will rain more shit than anyone can imagine.

That's what I'm struggling to understand, the pure naïveté of people. This dude Behrooz must be the only person left who still is optimistic about Brexit and "We will make it wooooork" (GOOOOOZ), and some of you guys think Trump (and allies Bibi, MBS and Rajavi) are going to be less of a godsend for IR than Obama? Whatever you guys are smoking, I'll have some. Just like I didn't think Rohani would be any different to whichever other akhoond was leader of Iran, or Zarif better than someone whose nose is the shape of a faucet, Trump is not going to be any better for IR than Obama.
 
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Trump has always been a snake-oil salesman, be it Trump Steaks, Trump Casino, Trump University or now Trump Presidency. Guess his business will run well forever.
 

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I would pay to see but back to the title.. toman tumbling is all orchestrated.

i would love to see the reverse scenario of 1400 arab invasion where akhounds and bassij leaders(not the mass) be dragged into the streets by Iranian people (not foreign armies)
 
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and all these shit bags can do is to burn a note book sized flag...

good riddance ...

i guess we thought coup d'etat, rebellion, revolution blah blah ...

it took a businessman to choke these cock suckers cutting off the money ...

i would love to see the reverse scenario of 1400 arab invasion where akhounds and bassij leaders(not the mass) be dragged into the streets by Iranian people (not foreign armies)
خامنه‌ای گُه‌ خورد ، اسهال نوشید۰
دستهایش هم با شاشِ اسرائیل شُست۰
اونجای اسرائیل هم لیسید۰
ما‌تحت اسرائیل هم ماچید۰
لبیک یا خمینی۰
 

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Funny thing is half of them have their children living in the USA and themselves have Green Cards. Finally the USA has a president who won't sit and watch these neanderthals.
Very true about their agha-zadehs, it is also interesting that so many IR personalities reside in US, some in political or reasearcher and advisor capacities.

As for US president, he is a businessman looking for a better deal, so at the end of the day he might sit with these neanderthals after cornering them to accept his terms.
 

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A lot actually. Obama was the one who championed this whole "negotiation" initiative with the Islamic Republic. No one was stupid enough to actually want to sit at a table with those cunts. He gave that regime a major boost and lots of confidence in supressing the 2009 uprisings and to top it off he later made deals with the regime that resulted in I.R becoming much more influential than it ever dreamed. Obama was a godsend for I.R.
I get your point and agree to a certain point, but let's not forget that the negogiation started during Bush time (similar efforts were made during Bush father, Clinton and Reagan as well). And if you look carefully it was Obama who put the most meaningful sanctions ever on IRI untill they signed the deal which was his goal hence not supporting the uprising as you well mentioned. I think IRI's main boost came during Bush jr. era when US invaded Iraq giving control of Iraq and a new lifeline to IRI in a silver plate (prior to that, during Reagan and Iran-Iraq war there was the secret arm and military supply deal with US and involvement of Israel which gave much needed supplies to Iran and hence in a way a lifeline).

I do not think US policy has ever been about regime change in a serious way despite all the rhetorics, it was always about putting pressure (and reward) to change IRI's behavior: sometimes they showed more carrots sometimes more sticks.
 
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I get your point and agree to a certain point, but let's not forget that the negogiation started during Bush time (similar efforts were made during Bush father, Clinton and Reagan as well). And if you look carefully it was Obama who put the most meaningful sanctions ever on IRI untill they signed the deal which was his goal hence not supporting the uprising as you well mentioned. I think IRI's main boost came during Bush jr. era when US invaded Iraq giving control of Iraq and a new lifeline to IRI in a silver plate (prior to that, during Reagan and Iran-Iraq war there was the secret arm and military supply deal with US and involvement of Israel which gave much needed supplies to Iran and hence in a way a lifeline).

I do not think US policy has ever been about regime change in a serious way despite all the rhetorics, it was always about putting pressure (and reward) to change IRI's behavior: sometimes they showed more carrots sometimes more sticks.
No argument there. I.R would not have prevailed in the way it has without a strong force in the United States doing lots of the dirty work for them. It goes beyond the Democrat/Republican range and is most likely more powerful than most other power-holding factions in the US or else not everything would've turned out in Islamic Republic's favor for 40 freaking years. People who believe the USA has been hostile towards Islamic Republic are complete morons. The prevailing US policy has always favored the Islamic Republic's survival, prosperity and influence. Even Israel has not enjoyed such effective covert backing by the US.

Trump's team look to be trying to cause an imbalance in the 40 year old trend. Pretty sure it has a lot to do with the deals made with China and Russia. From what I can see, the US is willing to surrender Iran to China, but only in a weakened and disarmed state. It will happen one way or another. Europe trying its best to not lose Iran to China will go nowhere. Iran is already China's bitch and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
 
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No argument there. I.R would not have prevailed in the way it has without a strong force in the United States doing lots of the dirty work for them. It goes beyond the Democrat/Republican range and is most likely more powerful than most other power-holding factions in the US or else not everything would've turned out in Islamic Republic's favor for 40 freaking years. People who believe the USA has been hostile towards Islamic Republic are complete morons. The prevailing US policy has always favored the Islamic Republic's survival, prosperity and influence. Even Israel has not enjoyed such effective covert backing by the US.

Trump's team look to be trying to cause an imbalance in the 40 year old trend. Pretty sure it has a lot to do with the deals made with China and Russia. From what I can see, the US is willing to surrender Iran to China, but only in a weakened and disarmed state. It will happen one way or another. Europe trying its best to not lose Iran to China will go nowhere. Iran is already China's bitch and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
Perhaps one reason Israel is not the most beneficiary of US covert backing is that US has almost always supported and backed them openly, hence no need for doing it covertly.
 

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حکایت ناصرالدین‌شاه و تحریم


برف سنگینی می‌بارید که ناصرالدین شاه تصمیم به درشکه‌سواری گرفت.

دستور داد اتاقک درشکه را برایش گرم کرده و منقل و وافور شاهی را در آن مهیا سازند.

شاه در اتاقک گرم درشکه کنار سوگلی‌هایش نشست و دستور حرکت داد.

اتاقک گرم بود، ولی بیرونِ آن سرد.

پیرمرد درشکه‌چی هم از شدت سرما می‌لرزید. شاه با دیدن لرزش درشکه‌چی گفت:

پیرمرد... به سرما بگو ناصرالدین شاه «تَره هم واسَت خُرد نمی‌کنه»

پیرمرد سکوت کرد.

ناصرالدین شاه دوباره گفت:

درشکه‌چی .. به سرما گفتی؟

درشکه‌چی که از سردی هوا قدرت حرف زدن نداشت، پاسخ داد: بله قربان گفتم.

شاه پرسید: خب سرما چی گفت؟!

پیرمرد درشکه‌چی هم جواب داد: سرما گفت با حضرت اَجَل همایونی کاری ندارم، اما پدر تو یکی رو درمی‌یارم!


حال حکایت تحریم ها نباشد که پدر مردم درآید و بزرگان برایش تره خرد نکنند!!!!
Not that I am against targeted and smart sanctions, but i am worried about well being of our people including my own extended family, regardless of its effectiveness in long run.
 
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^ I heard one of our kings (naseredin shah?) didn't like ghanoon and hearing that word... upon a visit to a project/construction he takes issue with something and asks the 'bana' why such as such is done certain way and bana tells the king 'ghanoonesh ineh' ... that was cause for the bana to be made history by the jalad.
 

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Not that I am against targeted and smart sanctions, but i am worried about well being of our people including my own extended family, regardless of its effectiveness in long run.
If anything, Rohani's presidency has proven that the sanctions did not target much of ordinary people's lives in any meaningful way. Barjam was not about lifting sanctions against Iranian people. It was about releasing blocked funds and removing a handful of individuals (not even companies) from the blacklist. There was little else to it.

The people of Iran (including our extended families) are suffering (and will suffer) not because of sanctions, but because of investor sentiment towards Iran. Granted, the sanctions don't really help the matter, but smart money does not flow to Iran regardless of sanctions. Stability, productivity, logistics and infrastructure are so lacking in Iran that even during its boom years (1970-1975) it could not handle growth beyond 8% annually. Once growth reached that point, the whole thing started falling apart. In other words, it's not possible to invest in Iran for longer periods.

Investor sentiment is really all that matters in the end. Without it, Iran will remain a target of plundering for decades/centuries to come.
 
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