Shame on You CBS!

masoudA

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Shame on you CBS!
They just totally ruined "60 Minutes", the very last stance of half decent investigative journalism in American TV. Shame on you for selling out human rights to Saudi Arabia, the very first nation that opposed the articles of Human Rights when they were introduced in 1948! I remember 40 years ago the royals of Saudi Arabia would buy 10 pages in Time Magazine to promote their backward ways.....but in spite of selling out their integrity to Arab Petro Dollars, Time Magazine used to write a disclaimer detaching themselves from the content of BS Arabs published in their magazine! Last night 60 Minutes ran a so called investigative report on how Saudis have suddenly become the most progressive nation in the Middle East! In 2016, As soon as Trump got elected, Saudis realized their free roaming days in the Middle East was over - and to properly take cover from the incoming wrath of America - they took refuge behind a fake modernization campaign........and 60 Minutes helped them to fool the American public to forget all about 911, ISIS, ......and the rest of atrocities which the Wahabis were behind in the last decade.
 

Playboy

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pretty normal and business as usual for now.
you have got to understand that the emerging
semitic-axis-of-evil in isreal & saudi is the next step
in the total capitulation that has been planned for
the 'western' world.
spread the word about this evil and educate people.
that is the way to stop it.
 
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Playboy

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the semitic-axis-of-evil is so intimidated by aryan iran and their advnaces
in west asian region that they have their fascist friends in the wsj editorial
board to go against their own senate and side with the semites in their
random killing in yemen.that is the pure evil and 5th column nature of these
bunch of semites.

add shame on wsj to the title if possible but that's also business as usual!

The Senate’s Iran Helpers

By
The Editorial Board
March 19, 2018 6:57 p.m. ET


Saudi Arabia finally has a young leader pushing social and economic reform, fighting Iran’s attempt to dominate the Middle East, and even cooperating quietly with Israel. Wouldn’t you know now would be the time that a left-right coalition in Congress wants to snub this ally by pretending to be commanders in chief.
Vermont Socialist Bernie Sanders, Utah Republican Mike Lee and Connecticut Democrat Chris Murphy are pressing for a Senate vote on a resolution “to direct the removal of United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been authorized by Congress.”
By “hostilities” they mean the Saudi fight against the Houthis, a Shiite political movement that seized the Yemeni capital in 2014 and ousted the country’s U.S.-backed president. Alarmed by the prospect of an Iranian proxy on its border, Saudi Arabia joined other Sunni Arab states to intervene.

The fight has been long and bloody. More than 5,000 people have died, and the World Health Organization reports more than a million suspected cases of cholera. Saudi bombing has sometimes been indiscriminate and caused civilian casualties, but the targeting has improved thanks to U.S. intelligence and training. Iran continues to supply the Houthis, hoping to outlast the Saudis and surround the Kingdom with Shiite-run states.
The Senators are indifferent to these strategic stakes as they try to enfeeble executive war powers. Mr. Lee claims the measure would help Congress “re-assert power over foreign policy decision-making” and “authorize—or decline to authorize—military engagement and define U.S. national interests” through the 1973 War Powers Resolution.
Mr. Lee should review his pocket Constitution. The War Powers Resolution passed over the veto of Richard Nixon and has been declared unconstitutional or ignored by every succeeding President because it interferes with the executive’s authority to conduct U.S. military and foreign policy.
The Obama and Trump Administrations have provided aerial refueling, intelligence and military advice to the Saudi coalition. U.S. troops aren’t directly engaged in fighting the Houthis, except for a defensive airstrike in October 2016. As the Pentagon points out, all of this falls easily under the President’s Article II war powers and it doesn’t qualify under the usual definition of “hostilities” relevant to the War Powers Resolution.
The U.S. does conduct operations against al Qaeda and Islamic State in Yemen. Such help is surely legal under the 2001 and 2002 Congressional use-of-force resolutions.
Passing the resolution would also needlessly insult Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the 32-year-old leader who is visiting the U.S. this week to expand U.S.-Saudi ties and promote his unprecedented reforms. The Saudis are crucial antiterror allies, and Prince Salman is trying to diminish the influence of radical Salafist imams at home.
Indiana Republican Todd Young and New Hampshire Democrat Jeanne Shaheen have introduced an alternative resolution that would require the Secretary of State to report to Congress periodically on the Yemen conflict, which is fine. Senate leaders ought to shelve the Sanders-Lee-Murphy attempt to hamstring U.S. Middle East policy as the gratuitous gift to Iran it would be.

Appeared in the March 20, 2018, print edition WSJ.
 
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At least SA is going through some reforms whereas IR is talking about reform for 25 years.
What are the reforms exactly? one guy buying 500 Million yacht at whim?
one dude deciding to detain the Prime minister of another country?

a one man show can't ever be considered as reform, no matter how well intention-ed their actions maybe.
 
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Bache Tehroon

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The reforms are somewhat meaningful for a minority of women in KSA, but the nation and its principles are the same ones that were there less than a year ago. Same as how Iran is pretty much exactly the same country with the same people even 40 years after its revolution. Minds don't evolve or devolve as quickly as the political picture even in secular or democratic societies, let alone in regions plagued by religious guilt.

Expect a flow of Saudi court cases in which these new "reforms" play a central role. They should make a reality show out of them.
 

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What are the reforms exactly? one guy buying 500 Million yacht at whim?
one dude deciding to detain the Prime minister of another country?

a one man show can't ever be considered as reform, no matter how well intention-ed their actions maybe.
Ask women who live in SA. On top of more freedom for women they are moving to a more entrepreneurial society by diversifying their economy:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabias-cabinet-approves-economic-reform-package-1465252667

IR on the other hand has done zilch. I would say they even have gone backward.
 

A8K

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^ yes many promises which if enacted will better lives of Saudis but as some say here, we're talking middle eastern promises. List of upgrades looked good and curbing muslim brotherhood has been the main aim.
I also think a lot of money from their country travels to places all over (disney etc) and they're investing to have that money spent inside too. If he's not removed they may progress toward civilization.

MBS took 106 billions from all them princes held for a while.. jackpot! So may roll with some of the upgrades promised.
 
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Ask women who live in SA. On top of more freedom for women they are moving to a more entrepreneurial society by diversifying their economy:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabias-cabinet-approves-economic-reform-package-1465252667

IR on the other hand has done zilch. I would say they even have gone backward.
I am sorry to say. no disrespect meant here.

This is typical Iranian thinking; dominated by headlines. Saudi Regimes best goal is to try to move closer to something like Abu Dhabi. but not even that.

Iranian society's goal for now is try to push the government to get a bit closer to where Turkey is (which is itself far from perfect).

Talking about reform in a society where the entire cabinet is made of one family is a bit farcical
 
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I am sorry to say. no disrespect meant here.

This is typical Iranian thinking; dominated by headlines. Saudi Regimes best goal is to try to move closer to something like Abu Dhabi. but not even that.

Iranian society's goal for now is try to push the government to get a bit closer to where Turkey is (which is itself far from perfect).

Talking about reform in a society where the entire cabinet is made of one family is a bit farcical
At this pace IR will mirror the Turkey of 2018 in 60 years.
I am sorry to say. no disrespect meant here.

This is typical Iranian thinking; dominated by headlines. Saudi Regimes best goal is to try to move closer to something like Abu Dhabi. but not even that.

Iranian society's goal for now is try to push the government to get a bit closer to where Turkey is (which is itself far from perfect).

Talking about reform in a society where the entire cabinet is made of one family is a bit farcical
From an Islamic Japan to a Turkey. Pretty soon we will settle for Afghanistan.
 

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The reform is the recipe for Saudi's demise because it is a scratch on the surface but not a change from within. Saudi society as a whole is not ready for change and the way their economy is set, with also draught and hot climate, poor human resource development, fluctuating oil prices, regional conflicts, dominance of Wahhabi sect, and scores of poor particularly amongst religious and ethnic large minorities the platform is not ready for any major change. Moreover, they have pissed off the religious and a good part of the royal family, they scared every foreign investor, all for appeasing to the poor youth. Once they fail to deliver the promises, the same youth will turn against them. Pretty much what happened to Shah 40 some years ago is happening in SA now.

For those who cheer for the fiasco in Ritz, $105 B USD was onl&**6JHK>hzAaZQ
SA has 2 trillion USD investment in America alone, and they are offering 5% of Aramco (worth 7 trillion USD) to American stock market soon. Once they are stripped off this wealth within the next few years, the country will be divided in 3.
 

masoudA

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Just as I thought CBS and 60 Minutes could not stoop any lower.........This week it is interviewing a hooker who may have once done Trump!
 

zoozanagheh

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Just as I thought CBS and 60 Minutes could not stoop any lower.........This week it is interviewing a hooker who may have once done Trump!
Unfortunately most news programs have become news shows, a mix of news in the form of entertainment.
But as for this particular interview, it can have legal and political ramifications. Trump has allegedly lied, and his campaign money was used to silence the woman in question, so there needs to be more serious investigation to be done on this matter. It is not as simple as Trump's tape where he showed his sexist and misogynist true self when he talked about grabbing pussies (aka by Trump as locker room talk) or the alleged golden shower he received while in Russia (though if true, it might show some clue as what Russians may have on him besides business stuff).

By the way, I do not know her past history much other than being a porn star, and not sure if she worked as a prostitute, but according to her, she did not receive money from Trump to sleep with him, so technically she can not be called a hooker in that case, though her motives to gain some advantages in establishing a sexual relationship with a rich and well connected business and TV personality may justify the label you apply to her.
 

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trump is in full damage control mode now expelling 60 russians and
closing the seattle consulate to deflect from the stormy affair.
and let's face it trump is a ho man,he just likes hos of all kind as long
as they are blond and have big pyramids.he even married a few of them.
here is a couple of them who are 'adult stars'.


 
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Saudi reforms won't happen.

Saudi foreign policy has always been about big statements and headlines and no delivery.
None of the stuff they promised will actually be implemented.

Thomas Friedman will have a bigger house though.