Should Roohani accept Trump's offer for a meeting?

Should Iran accept Trump's offer for a summit?


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Playboy

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i voted yes.
i think what trump and most american leders want from iran is a little respect.
lets' face it iran is the only nation in the world that does not give any and i mean
any respet to american political leaders.these people have egos and trust me they
want to be loved and respected.
so i think it's time to break the taboo and have a meeting between the two presidents.
trump will get the respect he is desperate to get(america first and all the rest of that jazz)
and for iranians it's a self installed chain that will get removed.
 

A8K

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This shit hole of a place under mismanagement of invaders these days where you can't find bottled water, coke just to give an example in the very immediate future is in a very shaking place. Occupation by Israel could not harm us more.
 

Playboy

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This shit hole of a place under mismanagement of invaders these days where you can't find bottled water, coke just to give an example in the very immediate future is in a very shaking place. Occupation by Israel could not harm us more.
are you through?feel better?
now answer the poll and the related question.
 

A8K

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Oct 22, 2016
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خدا پدر مادر افسر لیاخف و محمدعلی شاه رو بیامرزه اون زمان مجلس رو به توپ بستند ... الانم چیزی جر این مردمو آروم نمیکنه
 
#10
I hope one day in near future the whole nation of 80 Million ppl realize the Government have no say in Domestic and Foreign Policy. There is a Parallel government next to Rohani's, it's always been the case.

Now

1- Trump must be stupid to negotiate with Rohani , he has to go to the core and bring Khamenei to the table

2- change the thread, change Rohani is just another Citizen with no executive power, change " Rohani to Iran"
 
Oct 18, 2002
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what does north korea have to do with this?
Very simple.
if you are IRI decision makers seats, you look at what happened to Iraq and Libia.
You realize that surrender and negotiation with west is not gone bare any fruits for your governing regime other than internal division.

on the other hand North Korea acquired real leverage. and has managed to bring three different U.S administrations to negotiating table to concede points to its regime.

IRI realizes that it is not a North Korea situation and it will never be.

so on an off it has negotiated with powers running the world.

When IRI managed to bring Obama Admin to negotiation table, it had some leverage and it was its so called three month break out time.

the Americans had the leverage of oil exports sanctions around iran's noose.

back to today.

Iran is still exporting 2.3 million of oil. and it is likely that china will always provide a floor of 1 million barrels.

on other hand Iran's break out time is now something like 2 years thanks JCPOA. so currently America has upper hand but not a full house by any means.

so what we will likely see (If iran's internal politics allows) is a return to iran trying to ramp up its enrichment activity.

America will tighten the noose around iran's neck with sanctions and the two governments after some 5 years or something will again negotiate.

of course a misstep by both sides is possible.

but currently no side has enough cocering power to force the other to negotiate as an underdog.
 
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Playboy

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so why be afraid to meet and negotiate?

obviously iran is not north korea,iraq or libya and the
american leaders know this otherwise they would have
dealt with iran in the same way a long long long time ago.

meeting with trump is actually a very clever move for iran
right now.as i explain below.

trump is the only modern american leader who has the most fanatical
supporters in the usa right now,very similar to the support that the head
moola gets in iran.

with that kind of support the semetic lobbies in america
are powerless against him.if trump decides that he wants to have a deal
then he will not care one iota if aipac or saudis or their democratic or republican
slaves in congress and the senate are against it.

he will go ahead and make a deal and dare them to oppose him since he has
that fanatical supporters. that is exactly where obama failed.he did not even
have the support of most democrats in order to take the deal to the congress
and make it a treaty.

so meeting trump is a very sound strategic move for iran.it does not have to
end up in any concessions or any deals from the get go.just the meeting itself
will disarm a lot of opposition to any future iranian/american detente in the
hijacked american political scene.that's an opportunity iran should not miss.
 
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so meeting trump is a very sound strategic move for iran.
Not to be the word police here. but what you are describing is tactical move.

Strategic view -> Operational View -> Tactical view.

You negotiate when you can get something out of it.

Khamenie is not exactly an idiot. he does not want to negotiate because he knows that the demand from U.S is going to eventually demand that Iran have no presence in Lebanon.

you Hijab away and the only left for IRI to please the base is opposition to Israel.
 

A8K

Ball Boy
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a meeting is the end of the IR.. and IR not meeting would frustrate Iranians.. lose lose situation for IR.
 

Playboy

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Not to be the word police here. but what you are describing is tactical move.

Strategic view -> Operational View -> Tactical view.

You negotiate when you can get something out of it.

Khamenie is not exactly an idiot. he does not want to negotiate because he knows that the demand from U.S is going to eventually demand that Iran have no presence in Lebanon.

you Hijab away and the only left for IRI to please the base is opposition to Israel.
i don't think negotiations in itself is bad at all.you can negotiate but you
are not obliged to give or get anything.
and iran's recent track record in negotiations with the 'west' is not bad.if you
recall back in 2003 the 'demand' was must have no industrial scale uranium
enrichment at all.nothing,not even one centrifuge was going to be tolerated.
by the time iran started negotiation with p5+1 iran had more then 15k centrifuges
spinning and enriching up to 20%.and after all the negotiations the 'west' accepted
iran's enrichment and was happy to reduce the total number to 5k.
i don't see why iran can not do the same with trump.he might be demanding the moon
and the sky but he knows he won't get it since for iranians haggling is a sport in which they
have had a long history.
and the strategic importance of these negotiations is that if it ever gets going the semitic
axis of evil in isreal & saudi will be the loudest voices opposing them.you can bet your bottom
dinar,dollar or shekel on that proposition.
 

Playboy

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the only problem seems to be both roohani and trump are
lame duck presidents pretty much at this point.
which on the other hand means a positive synergy can be
created for both if they can have a summit.
the reality is iran has won the prize in iraq,syria and winning
it in yemen too.that makes the americans desperate to some
how reverse this process and get the prizes away from the iranians.
i seriously doubt that they can jew down iran in any negotiations
even with the current economic war on iran.this is their last gasp
and if this gambit does not pan out there is no plan b other than
brute force.
 

Playboy

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#19
well the top moola had his most explicit comments on this issue today.
he basically rejected any more talks with the usa with several salient bullet
points(see below).
but i still see negotiations with trump as a good strategic move for iran.the
point is you don't have to give anything in negotiations.just go through the
process and keep stringing them along.

 
Oct 18, 2002
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Khamenie is correct to observe that iran gave too much away for very little concrete rewards in return. (this has been well documented. JCPOA was one way agreement )

yet what he won't admit in public, is Iran had no options left. it had to to make those concessions in 2013 because the country had no foreign currency resources left.

going forward though, It is very likely that Iran won't engage in any negotiations with the U.S during Trump's first term.

Iran will probably wait to see how hard the Oil Sanctions bite and then decide if it is going to resume work on the nuclear track.

During Trump's second term, Iran is likely to to once again engage in negotiations.

Iran can by then feel like it does not have to give away it's role in Iraq and Syria away.

It can give away Yemen and get something in return.

of course this all assuming major players like Khamenie, Trump, .. are all still in power.