The battle for Kobani (Very important for both sides and many others involved)

OSTAD POOYA

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As you guys know for the past few days ISIS has increased its attacks on the Kurdish town of Kobani and based on the latest reports this morning they have raised flags in two buildings in the side of the city. According to Kurdish fighters trying to hold the city off there are 50 locations of battle at this point. This is the kurdish stronghold in Syria and is right on the Turkish border. There are Kurds right across the border that see the fighting and have tried to go over to help but the Turkish army has stopped them. Some of the shelling has even hit Turkey. This is the same Turkey that allowed these Islamic animals through her borders and has continuously supported these killers. What is interesting is that there are about 10K female fighters on the Kobani side and one of them did a suicide attack killing some ISIS fighters on a hilltop that was lost but then regained by the Kurds with her heroic act.

This location is extremely strategic and these so called allies and the US to be top of the list have failed to do any real help to help these Kurds, Yazidis, Christians, Armenians and other groups that are under the attack of the Islamic animals. This is the battle to watch a close eye on as it will give a very strategic location to ISIS if won and can be a turning point if held on to. It will also have a very psychological benefit to these Islamic animals and the Kurds have vowed to defend the city to the last man/woman and every single one will become a suicide bomber if needed just like that female figher earlier.

I am really hoping the Kurds could hold the city together and kill as many of these animals as possible. The Turkish government should be ashamed for her actions in helping these Islamic animals with both letting them through and now not allowing more Kurds to go and aid their brothers and sisters.
 

OSTAD POOYA

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All the countries you listed above are supporting ISIS in one way or another. It has a benefit for all of them as they keep their own interests strong and those they oppose in a power struggle which keeps them weak. None of these countries will win anything if ISIS is controlled and destabilized. Turkey has been against the Kurds for many years going back centuries and this is no different. They see the ISIS advance on them as an indirect victory and one they oppose weakened or crumbled. They may lay a hand here and there if they feel as ISIS is getting too strong. But one has to remember the real victory for all these involved is to prolonged the struggle and keeps all sides weak. As much as I hate to say this but I hope ISIS does spill over into Turkey so they know not to deal with these animals and allow a safe passage for them. Turkey has been going more towards Islamic fundamentalism but this has more an effect of taking out or making a group you do not like very very weak. Israel benefits with a weak Syria, while Saudi and Persian gulf states do not want strong positions for Iran in Iraq and Syria so they will naturally want to support ISIS. What these guys don't realize is you cannot control these barbaric maniacs and they will turnout to bite you in your ass. They truly don't understand what they have created.
 

OSTAD POOYA

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No that is Suleimani with the Kurdish forces inside Iraq. Suleimani had aided in other areas in Iraq and now this seems to be him with the Kurdish fighters of Irbil which is inside Iraq. The Kobani town is the last Kurdish stronghold inside Syria which will be a total disaster if it falls.
 

OSTAD POOYA

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Islamic State raises flag in eastern Kobani, Kurds say town has not fallen


Islamic State raises flag in eastern Kobani, Kurds say town has not fallen

By Daren Butler

MURSITPINAR Turkey Mon Oct 6, 2014 5:22pm BST


(Reuters) - Islamic State raised its flag on a building on the outskirts of the Syrian frontier town of Kobani on Monday after an assault of almost three weeks, but the town's Kurdish defenders said its fighters had not reached the city centre.

A black flag belonging to Islamic State was visible from across the Turkish border atop a four-storey building close to the scene of some of the most intense clashes in recent days.

The radical al Qaeda offshoot has been battling to seize the predominantly Kurdish town after taking over large swathes of territory in northern Syria and Iraq in recent months.

Air strikes by American and Gulf state warplanes have failed to halt its advance on Kobani, which it has besieged from three sides and pounded with heavy artillery.

Local sources inside Kobani confirmed that the group, formerly known as ISIL, had planted its flag, but said Kurdish forces had repelled its advances so far.



"ISIL have only planted a flag on one building," said Ismail Eskin, a journalist in the town. "That is not inside the city, it's on the eastern side. They are not inside the city. Intense clashes are continuing. The bodies of 25 (Islamic State) fighters are there."

Mortars have rained down on residential areas of Kobani, and stray fire has hit Turkish territory in recent days. But Kurdish pleas for more effective military help have so far gone unanswered, despite the presence of Turkish tanks arrayed along the border, within sight of the town.

Islamic State also fought intense battles over the weekend for control of Mistanour, a strategic hill overlooking Kobani. A video released by the group on Sunday appeared to show its fighters in control of radio masts on the summit, but the footage could not be independently confirmed and Eskin said fighting for the high ground was continuing on Monday.

ONCE A HAVEN

Until recently, the city had hardly been touched by the civil war that has ravaged much of Syria, and even offered a haven for refugees from fighting elsewhere, as President Bashar al-Assad chose to let the Kurdish population have virtual autonomy.

But now Islamic State wants to take the town to consolidate a dramatic sweep across northern Iraq and Syria, in the name of an absolutist version of Sunni Islam, that has sent shockwaves through the Middle East.

Beheadings, mass killings and torture have spread fear of the group across the region, with villages emptying at their approach and an estimated 180,000 people fleeing into Turkey from the Kobani region.

On Sunday, one female Kurdish fighter blew herself up rather than be captured by Islamic State after running out of ammunition, local sources and a monitoring group reported.

Turkish hospitals have been treating a steady stream of wounded Kurdish fighters being brought across the frontier.

Witnesses who had fled Kobani said that old women were being given grenades to throw, and young women with no fighting experience were being armed and sent into battle.

Kobani's defenders vowed not to relinquish the town, raising fears of a massacre if Islamic State do break through.

"If they enter Kobani, it will be a graveyard for us and for them. We will not let them enter Kobani as long as we live," Esmat al-Sheikh, head of the Kobani Defence Authority, said by telephone earlier on Monday.

"We either win or die. We will resist to the end," he added as heavy weapons fire echoed from the eastern side of town.

"WE NEED MORE HELP"

Speaking last week, the co-chair of the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) told Reuters that Islamic State had brought large parts of its arsenal from its de facto capital at Raqqa, 140 km to the southeast, to the assault on Kobani.

"If (Islamic State) is defeated here in Kobani, it will be defeated in Raqqa and throughout Syria," Asya Abdullah said.

"We are happy about the U.S. air strikes. But really, this is not enough. We need more air strikes to be effective against (Islamic State) weapons, to eradicate and destroy (them)."

On Monday, Kurdish politicians confirmed that the PYD's other co-chair, Saleh Muslim, had met Turkish officials to urge them to allow weapons into Kobani from Turkey, although no further details were available.

Turkey has so far given no hint that it could join the fight against Islamic State close to its borders, beyond gestures of self-defence such as returning fire at Islamic State fighters in response to mortar shells landing on Turkish territory.

Over the weekend, President Tayyip Erdogan vowed to retaliate if Islamic State attacked Turkish forces, and on Monday Turkish tanks deployed along the border for the second time in a week, some with guns pointing towards Syria, apparently in response to stray fire.

Still, Islamic State's release last month of 46 Turkish hostages, and a parliamentary motion last week renewing a mandate allowing Turkish troops to cross into Syria and Iraq, have raised expectations that Ankara may be planning a more active role.

Its calculations are complex, however.

For three decades, Ankara has fought an armed insurgency by its own Kurdish PKK militants demanding greater autonomy in Turkey's southeast.

Analysts say it is now wary of helping Syrian Kurdish forces near Kobani as they have strong links with the PKK and have maintained ambiguous relations with Assad, to whom Turkey is implacably opposed.

Against that are warnings from the leaders of Turkey's Kurds that allowing Syria's Kurds to be driven from Kobani would spell the end of Erdogan's delicately poised drive to negotiate an end to his own Kurdish insurgency and permanently disarm the PKK.


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/06/uk-mideast-crisis-idUKKCN0HU07S20141006
 

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ببینید, بزارید جریان رو کمکی واز تر و واقع بینانه تر بهش بنگریم. واقعیت این است که داعش در حال حاضر تقریبا واسه خودش کشور درست کرده. از اطراف موصل در عراق تا شرق و مرکز سوریه تحت کنترل اینهاست. حالا به کمک چه کسانی این جریان به وقوع پیوسته, بماند. در موردش صحبت بسار کرده ایم و کسانی که به اینها کمک کرده اند, شناخته شده هستند. اینها دنبال یک کشور هستند و مطمئنم که این کشور به اینها داده خواهد شد. تمام این مزخرفات در مورد اینکه اروپا و آمریکا اینها رو نمیخوان, همون فقط مزخرفه. برای من همیشه اعمال مهم بودند و نه شعار ها. اینها کشورشون رو خواهند گرفت و اسمش هم همین خواهد بود. دولت اسلامی عراق و شام. همونطور که آمریکایی ها به شیعیان تروریست کمک کردند که بیان و ایران رو اشغال کنند و واسه خودشون حاکم یک کشور بشن, به اینها هم رفته رفته کمک خواهند کرد که صاحب یک کشور باشند. بله, بال و پرشون رو میزنند, رامشون میکنند, هروقت پاشون رو از گلیمشون دراز تر میکنند پاشون رو قلم میکنند ولی جلوی زندگانی و ساخت دولت اینها رو نخواهند گرفت. چرا؟ چون اینها به هر حال مسلمون های افراطی هستند و آمریکایی ها عاشق اینها هستند چون پتانسیل ترخریبی اینها بالاست بدون اینکه اهداف بزرگ ملی و اقتصادی داشته باشن. چی از این بهتر؟. فکرش رو بکنید, جمهوری اسلامی رو آوردند و انداختن به جون ملت ایران و منطقه به طوری که ترس و وحشت از اسلام خمینی هنوز هم در بسیاری از کشور های منطقه وجود داره. حالا این ور هم یه مشت اشغال دیگه به کشور میرسن و دولت و کشور تشکیل میدن که تشنه به خون شیعه های افراطی هستند که این میشه نورعلا نور. یعنی هروقت, در هر زمان, با هر اراده, اینها میتونن این دوتا جونور ها رو بندازن به جون هم, اینها اونا رو ترور میکنن, اونا اینها رو, تنش و جنگ و درگیری برای حد اقل ٥٠ سال دیگه رو شاخشه.
حتی اگر این کشور به صورت معلق به وجود خودش ادامه بده,میده و کسی اینها رو به صورت زیر بنایی و اساسی باهاشون نخواهد جنگید چون کسی نمیخواد اینها از بین برن, فقط میخوان یه کاری کنن که مردم دنیا و مردم اون مناطق یواش یواش به اینها عادت کنند.
 
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OSTAD POOYA

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Exactly. Its all koso sher what these so called allies and bombings mean. Its all for show. If they really wanted to take them out they can. But they are all turning a blind eye and throw a few bombs here and there and call it the day. From the US to all the allies they are all full of shit. They like this and thrive on this. They did it to Lybia, Iraq, Syria, to a degree Egypt and took out powerful leaders who can keep all these animals under control and unleashed them. Now what they called the Arab spring has been the Arabic shit where scores of innocent people are dying and a number of stable countries have been the breeding and fighting grounds for terrorists running around. I really hope these Islamic terrorists spill over into Turkey and somehow gain a foothold in Saudi and some other Persian gulf states to teach these mother fuckers a lesson.
 

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ببینید, بزارید جریان رو کمکی واز تر و واقع بینانه تر بهش بنگریم. واقعیت این است که داعش در حال حاضر تقریبا واسه خودش کشور درست کرده. از اطراف موصل در عراق تا شرق و مرکز سوریه تحت کنترل اینهاست. حالا به کمک چه کسانی این جریان به وقوع پیوسته, بماند. در موردش صحبت بسار کرده ایم و کسانی که به اینها کمک کرده اند, شناخته شده هستند. اینها دنبال یک کشور هستند و مطمئنم که این کشور به اینها داده خواهد شد. تمام این مزخرفات در مورد اینکه اروپا و آمریکا اینها رو نمیخوان, همون فقط مزخرفه. برای من همیشه اعمال مهم بودند و نه شعار ها. اینها کشورشون رو خواهند گرفت و اسمش هم همین خواهد بود. دولت اسلامی عراق و شام. همونطور که آمریکایی ها به شیعیان تروریست کمک کردند که بیان و ایران رو اشغال کنند و واسه خودشون حاکم یک کشور بشن, به اینها هم رفته رفته کمک خواهند کرد که صاحب یک کشور باشند. بله, بال و پرشون رو میزنند, رامشون میکنند, هروقت پاشون رو از گلیمشون دراز تر میکنند پاشون رو قلم میکنند ولی جلوی زندگانی و ساخت دولت اینها رو نخواهند گرفت. چرا؟ چون اینها به هر حال مسلمون های افراطی هستند و آمریکایی ها عاشق اینها هستند چون پتانسیل ترخریبی اینها بالاست بدون اینکه اهداف بزرگ ملی و اقتصادی داشته باشن. چی از این بهتر؟. فکرش رو بکنید, جمهوری اسلامی رو آوردند و انداختن به جون ملت ایران و منطقه به طوری که ترس و وحشت از اسلام خمینی هنوز هم در بسیاری از کشور های منطقه وجود داره. حالا این ور هم یه مشت اشغال دیگه به کشور میرسن و دولت و کشور تشکیل میدن که تشنه به خون شیعه های افراطی هستند که این میشه نورعلا نور. یعنی هروقت, در هر زمان, با هر اراده, اینها میتونن این دوتا جونور ها رو بندازن به جون هم, اینها اونا رو ترور میکنن, اونا اینها رو, تنش و جنگ و درگیری برای حد اقل ٥٠ سال دیگه رو شاخشه.
حتی اگر این کشور به صورت معلق به وجود خودش ادامه بده,میده و کسی اینها رو به صورت زیر بنایی و اساسی باهاشون نخواهد جنگید چون کسی نمیخواد اینها از بین برن, فقط میخوان یه کاری کنن که مردم دنیا و مردم اون مناطق یواش یواش به اینها عادت کنند.
So if the end product of their plan is to create a Shia-Sunni war (both garbage) then its a matter of time before Daesh attacks Iran. Correct ?
 

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Exactly. Its all koso sher what these so called allies and bombings mean. Its all for show. If they really wanted to take them out they can. But they are all turning a blind eye and throw a few bombs here and there and call it the day. From the US to all the allies they are all full of shit. They like this and thrive on this. They did it to Lybia, Iraq, Syria, to a degree Egypt and took out powerful leaders who can keep all these animals under control and unleashed them. Now what they called the Arab spring has been the Arabic shit where scores of innocent people are dying and a number of stable countries have been the breeding and fighting grounds for terrorists running around. I really hope these Islamic terrorists spill over into Turkey and somehow gain a foothold in Saudi and some other Persian gulf states to teach these mother fuckers a lesson.
Khialet rahat bashe dadash, ina enghadr barnamashoon sefto mohkame ke hichkarishoon nemishe. In barnameha hamash organize shode va hezaran saa'at roosh kaar shode.
 

OSTAD POOYA

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IMO that is too hard to say. They may achieve their goals for the medium term as of now by just keeping the various groups at it and the stability none present. This will also enable the west to sell arms to other local governments that in turn have to purchase them not to fall behind from others and money is to be made from that. I believe what Chinaski is indicating and I agree with him is that if needed they can unleash these guys on Iran too to keep in check. The way things has turned out so far that would not be out of the question either and very possible. One thing we really have to keep in mind is that in a war the one wins that is willing to go the distance. And that’s with the foot soldiers. These animals are so brained washed and are willing to do suicide bombings that regardless of how they are dealt with they will take out many innocent people with them. Under Islamic teachings and the killer actions it brings these guys will thrive and there is no shortness of kos khols going to war or dying for nothing. That is the scariest thing about these guys and what they are doing.
 

OSTAD POOYA

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So if the end product of their plan is to create a Shia-Sunni war (both garbage) then its a matter of time before Daesh attacks Iran. Correct ?
IMO that is too hard to say. They may achieve their goals for the medium term as of now by just keeping the various groups at it and the stability none present. This will also enable the west to sell arms to other local governments that in turn have to purchase them not to fall behind from others and money is to be made from that. I believe what Chinaski is indicating and I agree with him is that if needed they can unleash these guys on Iran too to keep in check. The way things has turned out so far that would not be out of the question either and very possible. One thing we really have to keep in mind is that in a war the one wins that is willing to go the distance. And that’s with the foot soldiers. These animals are so brained washed and are willing to do suicide bombings that regardless of how they are dealt with they will take out many innocent people with them. Under Islamic teachings and the killer actions it brings these guys will thrive and there is no shortness of kos khols going to war or dying for nothing. That is the scariest thing about these guys and what they are doing.
 

Chinaski

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Daesh terrorists are still not strong enough to attack those shiite terrorist ruling iran but they will be a force which can not be neglected and they will be a force that can be bought by people who have certain interessts. Once they establish themselves in those occupied areas there will always be someone who will pay for their services and services you can expect from this bunch can only be destructive just like the services the IR had and still has to offer. There is basically no real difference between daesh and IR. The only difference is that daesh are at the beginnig of the road, they are not experienced enough while IR has an advanced terroristic force with a lot of experience in how to destablize the region. Khomeinis martial speeches were exactly the same as the ones of daesh, now IR has learned to tone it down and discovered other way to keep the power. Daesh in 20 years will be an experienced islamist force too which would not make all the current mistakes again. They will sattle down, workout new and more complex plans to survive than to just head chopping. This reminds me exactly at the happenings of 1979. Americans picked khomeini with eyes of a surgeon. His speeches were full of shit and hate, his words were sometimes so full of nonsense and gramatically so wrong that the americans said: YES SIR, he is our guy. They just released him from the cage and he automatically did the rest starting the second biggest war of the last century destablizing the whole region in the process. With Daesh they will do the same, they will give them the power to rule over those lands and they know they wouldnt have to worry about what they do afterwards. Its like plug and play. If these guy can manage to convince the americans of giving them a big oil field in northern Iraq, that would make them to an alot more powerfull force in the next 20 years who could generate enough money to build a well armed army and believe me these guys can fight. now imagine these guys in agreement with a world power starts filling their weapons arsenals and be able to pay a good money for those weapons. Then i would say an attack on our shiite terrorists would be inevitable.

Again: The only way to prevent our people to get involved in a war that once again would not be theirs, inwhich they however would be forced to get involved to, is to get rid of these shiite terrorists as soon as possible and decrease the tension. These IR terrorists are one of the major reasons why movements like daesh started to come up in the first place. They just dont want to live in fear and in the shadow of the iranians version of shiite threat any longer.
 

Chinaski

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I really hope these Islamic terrorists spill over into Turkey and somehow gain a foothold in Saudi and some other Persian gulf states to teach these mother fuckers a lesson.
Thats not gonna happen Ostad. These guys are brutal but they are not about to commit suicide. Any substantial attack on turkey would mean their end. Turkey even without NATO would crush these guys within few months. By attacking Turkey, they would force NATO to get involved against their own will. Any attack on any NATO member would mean an attack on all of them. Thats how its written in their books and contracts. Turkey is not gonna be attacked and ISIS doesnt want it either. Look these guys are trying to establish themselves and they need help. once again i refer to the early years of IR. Khomeini did a lot of mistakes in his speeches which got corrected by the americans through the people around him. His advisers und many people around him were in contact with americans. I remember the etaalaat issue inwhich he said: Maa nayoomadim hokoomat konim, maa hokoomat ro vaagozaar mikonim be mellat, maa faghat nezaarat mikonim. Amrikaai haa oomadan ye talangor behesh zadan goftan: yani chi nemikhaai hokoomakt koni khare? hokoomat mikoni, khooobam mikoni.

Once these guys establish themselves and settle down, the same americans will guide these guys and correct their mistakes to make them be able to survive. You shouldnt forget these guys are not coming from nowhere. Americans are using them for decades, they are pulling them to all the battle fields of this world starting by Yugoslavia war as Clinton discovered the potential of sunni extremist fighters, organizing them against the secular government of Yugoslavia. They did a good job so became a trademark for proxy war. People who got helped to be able to organize themselves within weeks, linking to eachother from allover the world, ...this is not easy Ostad, but these guys are getting helped, they are getting trained, they are getting battle experience all over the world, they are getting paid, they are getting organized...inaa haminjoori nayoomadan berizan too sooriyeh o eraagh. they are well trained and war proven. There is a major guiding hand behind these guys. The same hands which are guiding the IR from day one, teaching them how to overtake a country, how to stay put, how to divert attention, how to get rid of their opponents.

Btw, right now, i am not even sure the Saudis want these animals to become more powerfull than they are. Saudis and Qataris were expecting a blitzkrieg in Syria to set an end to Assads rule but since it failed, i think they stared to distance themselves from these animals. They did not expect the whole thing to develope in this direction. Their own legitimation would be put in danger when they get exposed as the backers of hords of killers and head choppers who do all these things in the name of islam. It would damage their reputation long term as they are still trying to sell people a clean and just image of islam. However aside from financial aid, Saudis would not be able to supply these guys with all those much needed informations, training and arms anyway. There are bigger forces behind these guys and i think we both know who they are.
 
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OSTAD POOYA

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Very well said. You are absolutely right they are guided with precision and planning and in fact it would be very stupid of them to make an attack to Turkey. I was merely hoping for a skirmish or spillover of some kind but yes that would not be logical either as they have an established agenda that is being followed. They have even said things about Israel and Gaza that even at the beginning of Islam the prophet had to fight “internal” enemies first. Their grasp of that position is been getting stronger as they are training more of these killers and truly they are well armed and trained. From some of the training videos shown they are being trained very hard and I am sure there are many soldiers with tactical and battle experience that is laying aid to them. What’s amazing is they function like a military unit when attacking but formation wise and how they go into hiding is not a conventional way so it’s very hard to fight again. As in time they will continue to grow stronger and more sophisticated.
The more I think about it is just similar to the Iranian revolution and how they were putting people in jails and killing them. How they had woman guards going around and forcing everyone to their ways. How they were taking over peoples assets and attacking minorities. They are exactly doing the same thing with a greater degree of brutality which the Iranian was is just as brutal or maybe even more if you look at the numbers. I think our region will be stock with these animalistic killers for decades to come. They are not there to be eradicated or moved over.
In other news I saw how Al Nusra had mad an attack on Hezbollah and they were some fighting there. Its incredible how so many different groups just pop out like mushrooms and they all have arms and trained soldiers just to go to battle.
 

feyenoord

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Kobani's fall will be disaster for the people that live in the region but not for all Kurds. Eventually, Kurds will derive these parasites from there but to retake Kobani may take longer.

Kurds in Iraq already are taking back territory they lost to IS and they have few days back have pushed IS back from the bordertown which connects Syrian Kurdistan to Iraqi Kurdistan.

The sad part about Kobani is that there are enclaves of Syrian Kurdistan, separate from each other, and Kobani is one of them. Iraqi Kurds can help the biggest one, which is on their border.

On the whole, this ISIS thing was going to come at some point, although this time, they have been created by the policies of Turkey, Saudi, Qatar and US to counter Assad and Iran. The reason why I say they would have come to existence is because a portion of Syrian sunni arabs have an extremist salafi interpretation of Islam.

Sadly, I remember when this uprising began, some Iranians who are opposed to the regime and are uninformed were cheering for them. Hatred for this regime has made them so blind, thinking that anything that is bad for the regime is good. Not knowing that the West, Saudi, Qatar and Turkey care for their own agenda and interests.

There are many things involved: Saudi, Qatar and Turkey care about their interests. Israel wants the weakening of Iran and the capitalist based US war machine wants to give Iran "shock therapy" treatment and annex it to the world economy.

I am happy in the end that I voted last year. I believe that if someone like Jalili was in power we would have had war and they would have unleashed these ISIS guys on Iranians. Till some extent, Rouhani's government has averted war. But it seems that the West and Israel are still not giving up. Yesterday I saw this news all of a sudden: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...S-plots-to-seize-Iran-s-nuclear-secrets-.html

This news is suspicious given the timing if it. If it is published for certain purpose, then it means that they want to use it as propaganda saying: we need to get the nuclear facilities of Iran before ISIS gets it. So, lets bomb them and start another campaign.

One things for sure. Turkey is going to run in trouble soon. There are many Turks fighting alongside ISIS. In fact, in the elections in Turkey a few months back, surprisingly, the ultra conservative or extremist party got a few percent of the votes (As i recall it). This could work against them at some point. In fact, IR is also cautiously warning Turkey not to intervene because, they know that ISIS being so close to them is can be a threat to national security of Turkey. If anything happens to Turks, government will be blamed and their position will be weakened among Turks, which will be good for IR.
 

Bache Tehroon

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^^^^ Farsi translation of that piece. Sounds suspicious to me.

[h=1] «نقشه داعش برای برنامه اتمی، نابودی صنعت خاویار و بازار فرش ایران»
[/h] [h=2] [/h] سندی که در جریان یورش به خانه یکی از رهبران گروه موسوم به حکومت اسلامی یا داعش به دست آمده، نقشه***های این گروه برای دستیابی به اسرار فعالیت***های اتمی، و تخریب فعالیت***های اقتصادی ایران را آشکار می کند. متن اين سند توسط روزنامه های بريتانيايی از جمله ایندیپندنت و ساندی تايمز منتشر شده است.
روزنامه بریتانیایی ایندیپندنت روز ۱۳ مهرماه به نقل از اين گزارش نوشته است که گروه حکومت اسلامی یا داعش، به دنبال دستیابی به «سلاح اتمی و پاکسازی مسلمانان شیعه» است.
به نوشته این روزنامه،فهرست این اهداف در یک بیانیه هفتاد ماده***ای تشریح شده که ظاهرا يکی از رهبران اين گروه آن را نوشته است. در بخش ديگری از این برنامه***ها به نابودی صنعت خاویار و از بین بردن بازار فرش ایران از راه «توليد و صدور گسترده فرش افغانستان» اشاره شده است.
در گزارش روزنامه ساندی تایمز هم نوشته شده که این سند در یورش يگان***های ویژه ارتش عراق به خانه یکی از فرماندهان اصلی گروه حکومت اسلامی یا «داعش» در ماه مارس - حدود شش ماه پیش - ضبط شده است. مقامات امنیتی عراقی گفته***اند این سند موثق است و یکی از رهبران اصلی این گروه که یک شبه نظامی به نام «عبدالله احمد مشدانی» است، آن را نوشته است.
گروه حکومت اسلامی در این سند پیشنهاد می***کند در ازای واگذار کردن کنترل میدان***های گاز عراق به روسیه، کرملین را به قطع حمایت از «ایران و برنامه***های هسته***ای وادار کرده و اسرار این برنامه***ها را مبادله کند.» اما پیش از آن روسیه باید دست از حمایت از بشار اسد رییس جمهوری سوریه بردارد و در مقابله با ایران از حکومت***های عربی خلیج فارس پشتیبانی کند.
در این بیانیه گفته شده که گروه حکومت اسلامی برای عملی کردن اهدافش که تصرف سرزمین***های بیشتری برای تشکیل «خلافت اسلامی» است، بايد تمامی منابع قدرت ایران را نابود کند. نویسنده اين بيانيه خواهان ترور دیپلمات***ها، بازرگانان و استادان ایرانی شده و به پیروانش حکم داده تا فرماندهان نظامی عراق، مقامات شیعه و شبه نظامیان مورد حمایت ایران را بکشند.
در ادمه گزارش روزنامه ایندیپندنت آمده است که مقامات غریی از تلاش گروه خلافت اسلامی برای دستیابی به سلاح اتمی آگاه و و در مورد آن نگران بوده***اند.
«ترزا می» وزیر کشور بریتانیا در سخنرانی اخیرش در کنفرانس حزب محافظه***کار گفت اگر گروه خلافت اسلامی قدرتش را در عراق و سوریه مستحکم کند، «اولين حکومت تروریستی دنیا» خواهد شد.
وی هشدار داد که اگر اين روی دهد «ما با این خطر دستيابی تروریست***ها به سلاح***های شیمیایی، بیولوژِیک و حتی اتمی مواجه می***شویم.»
گروه حکومت اسلامی یا داعش در ماه***های گذشته با در اختیار گرفتن بخش***هایی از عراق شروع کرده و حالا مناطقی را در کشور عراق و سوریه در اختیار گرفته است.
پس از سربریدن و کشتار شماری از گروگان***های آمریکایی و بریتانیایی، ائتلافی برای برخورد نظامی با این گروه شکل گرفته است.




 

Flint

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Also the US is supporting these Daesh barbars, otherwise why wouldnt it unleash heavy airpower against these cockroaches ?
Where is Field Marshal Soleimai and his air force and missiles? Guns are not for parades and youtube videos. Bring them out (Ok, we know they were phony). As a US tax payer I am declaring paying no more free bombs.
 

ChaharMahal

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Oct 18, 2002
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#20
so much emotional talk here for a bunch of grown ups.

why would the U.S have any interest to ISIS?

if ISIS had not beheaded the two American journalists and had merely killed them (without tape) U.S would not have ever entered this battle.

The U.S administration recognizes deep below that any time it enter the battle field it tilts the strategic balance of power too far into one direction.

Kobani means very little here. if there is any danger posed to turkey. They will ram them over in a matter of couple of days.

The U.S objective is very clear neutralize ISIS (do not destroy it).
iran's objective: find opportunity in chaos to make IRaqi regime and Syrian regime more dependent on Iran.
Turkey's objective: Make sure Neither Iran Nor Saudi and not even the Americans have as much influence as it on its bordering countries but do that quietly so its economy is not hurt.

saudi objective: survive one more day. get on u.s band wagon against ISIS for now. next year start supporting another ISIS esque regime.

Qatari Objective: Pretend like money brings them to big boys table.