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All the attacks on the Saudi oil platforms happened during Trump's sanctions. If anything lifting the sanctions and money rather increases the chances of (not saying it will), puppets being created or former puppets going back to business.
Sly sounds more like Aref than Zibakalam. Even Zibakalam is convinced the IR is not reformable.
I'm confused as to how Trump or Biden or Obama or whoever makes any different to IR, or to the people in Iran?

Obama's deal did nothing apart from blow some wind in Zarif's ass

Trump's time did nothing apart from resurrect the MKO and get rid of Soleimani...

Do you honestly think Biden will be any better or worse for IR than Trump?
 

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here is the key question to ask:

will trump, fat mike and the other anti-iranian elements 'initiate' war with iran before they are kicked out of the wh?

nyt speculates about it after trump fired the defense secretary:

At the Pentagon, Mr. Esper’s departure means that Mr. Miller would — if he lasts — see out the end of the Trump administration. Defense Department officials have privately expressed worries that the president might initiate operations, whether overt or secret, against Iran or other adversaries during his last days in office.

“In my experience, there would only be a few reasons to fire a secretary of defense with 72 days left in an administration,” Representative Elissa Slotkin, Democrat of Michigan and a former Pentagon official in the Obama administration, said in a statement.

“One would be incompetence or wrongdoing, which do not seem to be the issue with Secretary Esper,” she said. “A second would be vindictiveness, which would be an irresponsible way to treat our national security. A third would be because the president wants to take actions that he believes his secretary of defense would refuse to take, which would be alarming. Whatever the reason, casting aside a secretary of defense during the volatile days of transition seems to neglect the president’s most important duty: to protect our national security.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/esper-defense-secretary.html?searchResultPosition=1
 

Sly

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I'm confused as to how Trump or Biden or Obama or whoever makes any different to IR, or to the people in Iran?

Obama's deal did nothing apart from blow some wind in Zarif's ass

Trump's time did nothing apart from resurrect the MKO and get rid of Soleimani...

Do you honestly think Biden will be any better or worse for IR than Trump?
The difference (change) you are after will not happen with either Biden or Trump. It wont happen with any US president and it wont happen in our life time. As said before, we are already doomed. The only difference is, with the likes of Obama and hopefully Biden, people in Iran will have a bit less pressure in their lives. It's all about choosing between bad and worse.
 

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Pompeo today at a press conference referred to a ‘smooth transition to a second trump administration.’ Some say he was joking — if so, an awful undiplomatic joke. Whatever his intent, this is dangerous, problematic talk. In any of the many troubled countries, journalists and analysts and diplomats would be sounding alarms and talking about the failure of the ruling party to abide by the rules. We would mention incipient coups and the escalating possibility of armed conflict. This is not normal (for the USA).

I can’t wait to get rid of these unqualified and indecent people!

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US Election 2020: Attorney General William Barr approves fraud investigation

The lawyer authorises federal prosecutors to pursue “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities, if they exist.

https://news.sky.com/story/us-elect...am-barr-approves-fraud-investigation-12128927

A smooth transition of power in the US is looking less likely with Donald Trump blocking co-operation with Joe Biden's team and the US attorney general authorising investigations into allegations of electoral fraud.

The Electoral College is scheduled to formally confirm Mr Biden's victory on 14 December with the Democrat being sworn into office in late January.

However, few Republicans have acknowledged the victory and some, including Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, have rallied behind Mr Trump's efforts to fight the election results.

On Monday, Mr Barr authorised the Justice Department to investigate "substantial" allegations of voter irregularities and election fraud, though no widespread instances of that type of trouble exist.

In a memo to US lawyers, obtained by The Associated Press, Mr Barr wrote that investigations "may be conducted if there are clear and apparently-credible allegations of irregularities that, if true, could potentially impact the outcome of a federal election in an individual state".

Election officials from both political parties have publicly stated that voting went well. International observers also confirmed there were no serious irregularities.

States have until 8 December to resolve election disputes, including recounts and court contests over the results.

Legal challenges have been dismissed in battleground states like Georgia and Wisconsin.

On Monday night, the Justice Department's top prosecutor for election crimes, Richard Pilger, said he would step down from that post in response to the attorney general's memo, according to an email he sent to colleagues and obtained by the AP.

Biden campaign lawyer Bob Bauer said Mr Barr's memorandum authorising investigations "will only fuel the 'specious, speculative, fanciful or far-fetched claims' he professes to guard against".

Mr Biden pressed forward with plans to build his administration, assembling a team of experts to face the surging COVID-19 pandemic.

But the federal agency that needs to greenlight the beginnings of the transition of power held off on taking that step.

And the White House moved to crack down on those not deemed sufficiently loyal, such as Defence Secretary Mark Esper, as Mr Trump continued to refuse to concede the race.

Mr Trump remained out of sight at the White House, with conversations ongoing about how the defeated president would spend the coming days and weeks as he challenged the people's verdict.

The former reality TV star is not expected to formally concede but is likely to grudgingly vacate the White House at the end of his term, according to several people around him.

The possibility of more campaign-style rallies are being discussed as Mr Trump tries to keep his supporters fired up despite his defeat. It was possible they would feature his family and prominent supporters, but not the president himself.

The removal of Mr Esper, the Pentagon chief, was expected by some aides to be the first of several firings by Mr Trump.

Others believed to now be vulnerable include FBI Director Christopher Wray, CIA head Gina Haspel and infectious disease expert Dr Anthony Fauci.
 

Sly

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I hope you don't forget you said this. In few years time when you hopefully finally come to the conclusion that many others have reached, you will want this to be forgotten.
You are hilarious coming with this remark. Specially for a person who thought things would change a lot for Iran under Trump.
 

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🔻بازخوانی پیام‌های ترامپ برای 'معامله' با حاکمان ایران

در سال های اخیر، دونالد ترامپ به‌صراحت تاکید داشته می‌خواهد با "ایران با همین رهبران" به تفاهم برسد و به دنبال "تغییر رژیم" نیست؛ و سپس مصر بوده "یک ماه" یا چه بسا "یک هفته" پس از انتخابات ریاست جمهوری آمریکا، وارد معامله با تهران شود. او حتی کوچکترین مشکلی نداشته که دو هفته پس از رکوردشکنی تاریخی حکومت ایران در کشتار معترضان خیابانی در آبان ۹۸، این پیام معنی‌دار را به تهران بفرستد که "ما می توانیم با هم به توافق برسیم".

مقاله "بازخوانی پیام‌های ترامپ برای معامله با حاکمان ایران"، توضیح می دهد که آقای ترامپ، چگونه حتی پس از خونین ترین سرکوب های معترضان خیابانی در ایران، به دنبال بده و بستان با مسئولان جمهوری اسلامی بوده است:

https://www.bbc.com/persian/iran-features-54824960

در طول دوره ریاست جمهوری ترامپ، صاحب این قلم در مقالات مختلف کوشید توضیح دهد که چرا هدف دونالد ترامپ تغییر حکومت ایران نیست، و چرا مخالفان جمهوری اسلامی قادر به حساب کردن بر روی او نخواهند بود.

در همین ارتباط، پس از آنکه رئیس جمهور وقت آمریکا پشتِ کُردهای سوریه را در شمال عراق خالی کرد، در مهر ۱۳۹۸ مقاله "درس‌های سوریه؛ اپوزیسیون ایران چقدر می‌تواند روی ترامپ حساب کند؟" منتشر شد، که به بازخوانی میزان وفاداری آقای ترامپ به "متحدان" ایالات متحده در مناطق مختلف دنیا می‌پرداخت. مقاله تاکید داشت که هدف سیاست فشار حداکثری واشنگتن، نه سرنگون کردن حکومت در ایران، که "وادار کردن آن به تعامل با آمریکا در شرایط مورد نظر دونالد ترامپ است".

https://www.bbc.com/persian/49979547

مقاله ای جداگانه در همین موضوع، در آذر ۱۳۹۸ و با عنوان زیر منتشر شد: " پیام ترامپ به تهران دوهفته پس از اعتراضات آبان". این مقاله یادآوری می کرد که تنها دو هفته پس از کشتار معترضان خیابانی در آبان ۹۸، دونالد ترامپ زمان را برای قدردانی علنی از نظام به خاطر "مذاکره بسیار منصفانه‌" و مبادله دو زندانی ایرانی و آمریکایی مناسب تشخیص داد. او در آن مقطع خطاب به حکومت ایران گفت: "دیدید، ما می توانیم با هم به توافق برسیم" و در اظهارنظری جداگانه ابراز امیدواری کرد مبادله اخیر مقدمه معامله ای بزرگتر، یا به بیان او "یک پیش درآمد برای چیزی باشد که می شود انجام داد". مقاله تصریح داشت که هرچند نمی توان گفت "جمهوری اسلامی ایران همواره قادر به مهار اعتراضات مردمی خواهد بود یا -از آن بالاتر- نظام مصون از امکان فروپاشی است"، ولی "این فرضیه که تغییر حکومت، از مسیر سیاست های دونالد ترامپ انجام شود، با تردید جدی مواجه است".

https://www.bbc.com/persian/iran-features-50707274

در اسفند ۱۳۹۸، تحلیل دیگری تحت عنوان "پیام معامله طالبان و آمریکا برای ایران" انتشار یافت که با اشاره به مراسم امضای توافق طالبان با دولت ترامپ، یادآور می‌شد: "رهبران طالبان توافق اخیر را به عنوان پیروزی خود جشن گرفتند، در حالی که واشنگتن برای جلب نظر آنها، حتی قبول کرده بود متحد اصلی آمریکا در افغانستان (دولت) در مذاکرات طرفین و مراسم امضای توافق حضور نداشته باشد."

در تحلیل فوق، از جمله آمده بود: "تضمینی نیست که توافق دولت آمریکا و طالبان برقرار بماند، ولی نفسِ توافق اخیر پرسشی کلیدی را برجسته می کند: آیا دولتی که با طالبان افغانستان (همدست القاعده در ۱۱ سپتامبر) معامله می‌کند، مشکلی برای معامله با جمهوری اسلامی ایران دارد؟" تحلیل می افزود که با توجه به تجربیاتی همچون افغانستان "مخالفان حکومت ایران، تا چه حد می‌توانند بر روی سیاست‌های دونالد ترامپ حساب کنند؟"

https://www.bbc.com/persian/iran-features-51712872

نهایتا، نوشته امروز تحت عنوان " بازخوانی پیام‌های ترامپ برای معامله با حاکمان ایران"، به مروری سه ساله بر دعوت‌های دونالد ترامپ از مقام‌های نظام برای مذاکره پرداخته است. نوشته بر مبنای نتایج همین مرور، به طرح مجدد این پرسش می پردازد که "آقای ترامپ آیا به دنبال تحت فشار گذاشتن تهران تا زمان تغییر رژیم بود، یا تا زمانی که رهبران نظام ناچار به معامله با واشنگتن شوند؟"

مقاله با اشاره به موضع ترامپ پس از اعتراضات آبان، همچنین این پرسش را طرح می کند که "اگر -در حالتی فرضی- زمانی تعداد قربانیان اعتراضات ضدحکومتی در ایران چندین برابر می‌شد اما آقای خامنه‌ای به ملاقات رو در روی روسای جمهور ایران و آمریکا برای یک توافق هسته ای جدید رضایت می‌داد، آیا آقای ترامپ چنین ملاقات و معامله ای را رد می‌کرد؟"

متن کامل مقاله را در اینجا ملاحظه بفرمایید:

https://www.bbc.com/persian/iran-features-54824960

@HosseinBastaniChannel
 
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Do you honestly think Biden will be any better or worse for IR than Trump?
100% agree. Both are the same.
Unfortunately with our culture, we seem to always want SOMEONE ELSE to save us. When shit hit the fan we say "Khoda dorostesh mikone" when we need something , we go visit Imam Reza to ask for cure (FYI the guy himself was poisoned, yet we go to and ask him to cure us!!!) , when we lose in football, it was the ref! and when we want regime changed, we ask US to do it!!!
When you heard Iranians say "Lets get united and change something" then you can be hopeful. until then, Biden, Obama, Trump or Bush, ALL THE SAME for IR.
 

rahim

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I'm confused as to how Trump or Biden or Obama or whoever makes any different to IR, or to the people in Iran?

Obama's deal did nothing apart from blow some wind in Zarif's ass

Trump's time did nothing apart from resurrect the MKO and get rid of Soleimani...

Do you honestly think Biden will be any better or worse for IR than Trump?
All those that this election is or could have been a game changer in terms of IRI,
look up this Spanish word that best describes the situation:

Gatopardismo

This election is not about Iran, is about US and people who live in US, wherein even superficial change could have long lasting social affects

For as many shia’s that you think are happy in Michigan , there are Wahhabis that are depressed in gulf emarates, And so on....
Not about them
 
You are hilarious coming with this remark. Specially for a person who thought things would change a lot for Iran under Trump.
I never ever said this. You are hilarious for making this up (yet another thing).

I said explicitly in an earlier post that neither Trump nor Biden nor any other US President will change anything in Iran because it is not in their interest.

You are the one who thinks lifting the sanctions will make life easier in Iran, which in itself is against evidence but that's another matter.
 

Sly

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You are the one who thinks lifting the sanctions will make life easier in Iran,
Have a look at my reply to "just2viewgeneralforu" here above. I clearly say neither Trump nor Biden will change Iran the way you guys are after. but yes, people will at least have a bit less pressure in their lives with Biden compared to Trump's time. As it was evident during Obama's second term compared to Trump's.
 

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سانسور پستان گاو در بازپخش تبلیغ قدیمی بستنی میهن در صداوسیما ۱۳۷۱-۱۳۹۹
تو تبلیغ بستنی میهن اولش تبلیغ قدیمیه رو که
گوسالهه می‌گفت مامان بستنیش خوشمزه‌تره رو نشون میدن بعد پستون گاو رو سانسور کردن. یعنی چیزی که دهه‌ی هفتاد مشکلی نداشت الان مشکل داره بعد شما
میگی گام به گام بریم جلو
پستون گرگ رو آرم باشگاه رم هم که یادتونه چجور سانسورش کردن و سوژه شد تو دنیا
اونوقت توقع داری اون دولت کم کم عوض بشه ، بدتر از این هم میشن اما بهتر نه
 
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Terrible comparison.

But whatever you say about Fox, they are million times more honest than CNN.
Facts can easily be verified, but the problem with most mainstream media in the US is not concerning facts. The main issue is the things they intentionally leave out and don't cover. That's the problem on both sides. Fox is as shitty as CNN. Both choose not to cover the news fairly and unbiased.
 
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