Trump is the president

Sly

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Not only it's no "dream in lala land", actually your "liberal, democratic and comparatively fair" place of residence is not good enough for most Americans. That's why they don't even think about a place like Sweden when choosing a president. Bernie Sanders tried to appeal to the masses via economic rhetoric slightly (not much) similar to those in Europe. He is still laughed at. He couldn't even beat a well-hated figure like Hillary Clinton among liberals! That's how unappealing a European-style government is to most Americans. I actually like and respect the man because just like Trump, he would present a new direction, but evidently Americans want nothing to do with it.

The idea is to respect and accept the choice made by the American people. The people who are the true owners of America.
But I thought you said, it didn't have a physical presence! Anyways.....You do know that most "highly educated" states voted for Hillary, right? and Obama was voted by the American people too. and he was voted twice! If anything he was the closest to this more liberal thinking. To say that it doesn't work or it's not good enough for the American people, it is not true. Having said that, of course the American people have made their choice and their choice is not liked but should be respected by general public. but if you look at the international community, perhaps beside Russia, not only Europeans but most nations in the world are against this guy. Apparently he stands for something that is NOT respected by majority of the world and by the most educated Americans. You are on the side of the very small minority.

All of us, majority of Iranians and most countries in the world are against IR and what they stand for too! But in this case, Trump has even made IR look reasonable.
 
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But I thought you said, it didn't have a physical presence! Anyways.....You do know that most "educated" states voted for Hillary, right? and Obama was voted by the American people too. and he was voted twice! If anything he was the closest to this more liberal thinking. To say that it doesn't work or it's not good enough for the American people, it is not true. Having said that, of course the American people have made their choice and their choice is not liked but should be respected by general public. but if you look at countries outside the US and if you count out Russia, not only Europeans but most nations in the world are against this guy. Apparently he stands for something that is NOT respected by majority of the world and by the most educated Americans. You are on the side of the very small minority.
My God you're such a simpleton.

You answered your own dilemma in your own post.

Obama was voted by the American people too. and he was voted twice!
Exactly! Proof for what I said earlier:

"Liberalism cannot be life or even a way of life. It can only be a force that affects life on occasions. Everyone possesses liberal thoughts."

You are on the side of the very small minority.
This kind of thinking has got a lot of Americans depressed these days. It will depress you even more when you realize your fragile utopian bubble of "liberalism" is just a bunch of buzzwords with no substance. True liberalism is not what you think. Get yourself educated. No not the kind of education they teach at universities. That's for sheep. Learn to think.
 

Sly

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My God you're such a simpleton.

You answered your own dilemma in your own post.



Exactly! Proof for what I said earlier:

"Liberalism cannot be life or even a way of life. It can only be a force that affects life on occasions. Everyone possesses liberal thoughts."



This kind of thinking has got a lot of Americans depressed these days. It will depress you even more when you realize your fragile utopian bubble of "liberalism" is just a bunch of buzzwords with no substance. True liberalism is not what you think. Get yourself educated. No not the kind of education they teach at universities. That's for sheep. Learn to think.
I thought we just came to the conclusion that what you call utopian, did exist. You contradict yourself in every post man! LOL....yes, I and the whole world are simpletons and need to educate ourselves while you and a very small "knowledgeable" minority know the real way of life! Must be a very hard life to live when the majority around you are sheep.
 
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hummm...I would say the same about the average Europeans in the US! Who's the naive one?

It has nothing to do with individuality but rather with culture and the kind of life you prefer! Clearly you and I differ in that regard!
i think i have to disagree with you.

Some Europeans like moving to north america to get away from the depressed rotten feeling you get in Europe. Despite the racism and anti muslim rhetoric etc etc, still there are hundreds of cities in the US in which you can live and breathe the free air away from traditional and embedded racism that you experience in Europe.

I loved Europe while i lived in England and visited italy, spain, sweden and Greece but i was a kid. As an adult i would not live there unless if i had no chance of getting a job anywhere in Canada.

People are all immigrants themselves and they identify with you ( i mean white people not other recently arrived immigrants) they don't pity you like left wing people do in Sweden and Holland they actually 'identify' with your problems as a recently arrived person because themselves or their immediate parents went through the same problems.


it is not perfect but life is much more open and free than it is in Europe.
 

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i think i have to disagree with you.

Some Europeans like moving to north america to get away from the depressed rotten feeling you get in Europe. Despite the racism and anti muslim rhetoric etc etc, still there are hundreds of cities in the US in which you can live and breathe the free air away from traditional and embedded racism that you experience in Europe.
You can breathe in every city worldwide, even in a "shitty" city like Tehran.

Cities almost everywhere in the world, and by city I mean city with +1 Million inhabitants not the farts you have in Switzerland, are by all means in general liberal, open for migrants and migration, the people care about stuff like rent, LGBT, work, transport and what not and they don't care too much about racial issues. It's the same everywhere in the world, especially in western countries. New York and Paris differ in what the cities look like and the language spoken, the issues of the people and what they care about and the level of racism or not racism is about the same.

Then again outside of cities are similar too. Outside of cities LePens and Trumps are popular.
 
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No.

The average European citizen's migration is what America's foundation was formed upon. .
Below average European you mean - I've never heard a British/European doctor, engineer or other professional say they want to go to America. Conversely, I hear professionals saying how much they wouldn't want to live in the States for a number of reasons. Now you may disagree and say they are just hiding their wish to "discover the american dream", but this is my overwhelming experience. As a British doctor who also has worked in New Zealand, I would never really want to live long-term in the States and I have never met anyone who does (apart from a nice Palestinian origin guy). Although I would want to work for a year or two because I like travelling.

Now I consider myself an Americophile, but I think the only people who really want to up sticks and go there from Europe are those who have something they really need to prove or have a lot of oghdeh. Or in the past, those fleeing potato famines or religious persecution.
 

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i think i have to disagree with you.

Some Europeans like moving to north america to get away from the depressed rotten feeling you get in Europe. Despite the racism and anti muslim rhetoric etc etc, still there are hundreds of cities in the US in which you can live and breathe the free air away from traditional and embedded racism that you experience in Europe.

I loved Europe while i lived in England and visited italy, spain, sweden and Greece but i was a kid. As an adult i would not live there unless if i had no chance of getting a job anywhere in Canada.

People are all immigrants themselves and they identify with you ( i mean white people not other recently arrived immigrants) they don't pity you like left wing people do in Sweden and Holland they actually 'identify' with your problems as a recently arrived person because themselves or their immediate parents went through the same problems.


it is not perfect but life is much more open and free than it is in Europe.
Yes but you are now talking about immigrants in Europe and in Canada/US! I was talking about the citizens of the countries. Most of them want to remain in Europe. I know people from Spain, Hungary, Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Holland, Portugal, etc. and most of them would never want to move to the US! Many of them moved to the US for a few years to gain different experience in their fields. Then they came to Sweden to continue. They all say the US was good in many aspects but they would never want to move back. They think it's nicer to live in Europe. and from their talks, I can easily see it's a cultural thing. They rather be in a country where being effective at your job is important but "being nice" at work is even more important. Having 6-7 weeks of paid vacation per year, 1.5 year of shared parental leave is more attractive for them than knowing millions of job offers are around in case they get unemployed. and there are ton of examples like this.

but this is also the case for a lot of immigrants living here! Yes, I also know about many Iranians who used to live in Europe but moved to the US and are happy. But I also know of many others who wouldn't want to move to the US. Both groups have different experiences in terms of racism. Most of the latter group don't feel they have experienced racism in Sweden at all.
 
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Social Liberalism has been positive in the US if you are affluent. For everyone else, it's a mixed bag. (may argue it has been positive if you are white and affluent but let's just say affluent).
The thing is even if you say Social liberalism it going to be a mixed bag, like you said. As Lenin said, "The goal of Socialism is Communism"
 
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well i am here in Quebec and there are about 50 000 people from France here and i know 6 of them and none would even consider going back to France anytime soon. Only two mentioned they might go back fore retirement !!! and only might.

When i lived in california i met a few people from Italy and Spain, ages ranging from early 20s to 50s and only one was thinking of ever going back and that was because he was getting a divorce and didn't want to pay so much child support.

last summer in vancouver i met two girls from Sweden who were visiting one them said she would never live here in Canada but the other was actually looking for a way to get to Seattle to work and live there.

so i guess i am basing my conclusions on, not only my personal feel, but on the stats i came across.

the problem with Europe is, as i explained before, you will never be accepted. you will be tolerated but never accepted.

In canada 95 percent of the time i feel accepted. everyone is an immigrant. white, black, chinese, arab, etc they are all immigrants.
 
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i love the politics of Sweden, Denmark, Holland and Germany but i sometimes hated how i felt in England specially as you moved northwards from the midlands.

i hate the government in the US but some people geuninely don't give a crap what your background is as long as your gf or wife doesn't wear a tent on her head and you don't keep asking them is this halal does this have pork.
 

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well i am here in Quebec and there are about 50 000 people from France here and i know 6 of them and none would even consider going back to France anytime soon. Only two mentioned they might go back fore retirement !!! and only might.

When i lived in california i met a few people from Italy and Spain, ages ranging from early 20s to 50s and only one was thinking of ever going back and that was because he was getting a divorce and didn't want to pay so much child support.

last summer in vancouver i met two girls from Sweden who were visiting one them said she would never live here in Canada but the other was actually looking for a way to get to Seattle to work and live there.

so i guess i am basing my conclusions on, not only my personal feel, but on the stats i came across.

the problem with Europe is, as i explained before, you will never be accepted. you will be tolerated but never accepted.

In canada 95 percent of the time i feel accepted. everyone is an immigrant. white, black, chinese, arab, etc they are all immigrants.
You have talked to people who've already come to the US to live there plus 1 Swedish girl in Canada. That is not representative of the Majority of Europeans! Yes, i also know of several American citizens who've come to Sweden for different reasons and wanna stay here. That is also not representative of majority of the Americans.
 
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Sure, you get Europeans who want to leave or escape from something, but I'm just saying that in my experience, the "Eden" is seen much more to be Australia and New Zealand rather than America. I hear people talking about Australia all the time, never heard anyone want to go to America...
 

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Sure, you get Europeans who want to leave or escape from something, but I'm just saying that in my experience, the "Eden" is seen much more to be Australia and New Zealand rather than America. I hear people talking about Australia all the time, never heard anyone want to go to America...
That's exactly my experience too! People here would rather go to Australia (for a few years) than going to the US.
 

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He ain't a leader. no sign of him on twitter or Facebook.
he went and shook hands with a guy who had called for nuking Tehran.
My guess is he is trying to craft a statement that does not upset possible funding sources he depends on!
but it has been 52 hours now!
he was here in beverly hills last week getting the key to the city.
later saw him dining at providence.

 
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Warren Buffet in this interview sums of the problem in the U.S.

We have a goose that every year lays more eggs than the year before. we just have not figured out how to distribute it.

if you notice Buffet owns businesses like DariyQueen so he is totally against the raising minimum wage.

but he has started pushing the idea of Minimum income like Google's Schmit and Bill Gates.

There are two schools of thought in the U.S (assuming they are all good people; which is a big assumption).
Liberal Rich; don't mess with our system of making money. but give some protection to regular people.
That's because we never want them so upset that they would turn to the streets and create instability.

The other is sort of represented by Koch Brother and Sheldon Adelsons, Steve Wyns. Gives us tax cuts now.
don't worry about an education policy, retirement policy or anything like that. withdraw government from any of that.
people are creative they will make due with less. and in the long run this imbalance gets solved.
the problem as Keynes said in the long run we are all dead.

[video=youtube;cnizKvk0PY8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnizKvk0PY8[/video]
 

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The thing is even if you say Social liberalism it going to be a mixed bag, like you said. As Lenin said, "The goal of Socialism is Communism"
social liberalism is not socialism. social liberalism is liberal laws in society not socialism. like..

nevermind

Sure, you get Europeans who want to leave or escape from something, but I'm just saying that in my experience, the "Eden" is seen much more to be Australia and New Zealand rather than America. I hear people talking about Australia all the time, never heard anyone want to go to America...

don't need the eden that is Australia
 
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