Trump pulls out

TeamMeli

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Trump is the most transparent US President ever. He is so predictable and I expected this to happen. BT is right the ruling elite will as for punishment and bark kbut their bark is worse than their bite. Maybe this will be a blow to the I.R I do not know what will happen from here. I happen to think the biggest winners of the US pulling out are Russia's Putin and China's Xi Xinping. We do trade with China and Russia as well.

Russian corporations can win and last time I read, Iran does about 23% of their trade from China. Also, Germany is trying to help Iran out. Of course the x factor is always Israel what will they do? I do not have the answers I just hope one day the people will rise up. I hope everyone is doing well sorry I haven't been around, I have been very busy.
 
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the demise of IR is always exaggerated.

Akhoonds are very adaptable creatures. my money is on IRI will adapt and will barely get by.

the governing regime in iran will do fine if they can survive the next 10 years.

people keep focusing on personalities. Trump, Obama ... what matters where countries interest lie.

the United States an will negotiate once again or will go to war if they deem that to be their interest.
 
#63
I forgot, people in Germany voted for Hitler for intellectual and spiritual reasons, for Trump for bringing back Americanism and for Brexit because they actually believe that Britain will kickstart a new intellectual empire and not because some moron promised them the NHS forever.
You are confusing the issues. Implying a similarity between Hitler and Trump is silly at best.
And people didn't vote for Brexit based on the side of a bus for heaven's sake. In fact if it hadn't been for the lies about post-Brexit disasters that the government fed us, even scaring us of WW3, the margin of victory would have been even bigger.
 

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You are confusing the issues. Implying a similarity between Hitler and Trump is silly at best.
And people didn't vote for Brexit based on the side of a bus for heaven's sake. In fact if it hadn't been for the lies about post-Brexit disasters that the government fed us, even scaring us of WW3, the margin of victory would have been even bigger.
How is Brexit going mate? How much did the Pound lose in value to the Euro over the past 1.5 years? How are the contracts about new trade deals going? All rosy I guess.

It's very easy to create your own reality, be it that of a Brexiter or that of an Iranian believing that the revolution did very good or Trump is making America great again. At the end of the day it's about your perception and your reality.
 
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In fact if it hadn't been for the lies about post-Brexit disasters that the government fed us, even scaring us of WW3, the margin of victory would have been even bigger.
Is this meant to be satire "the lies about post-brexit disasters"? The leave.eu campaign is literally in the news right now having had a big fine for breaching electoral law in coming up to the referendum and you talk about some "lies that the government fed us"

Wake up for crying out loud, for the sake of your child if not your own.
 
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How is Brexit going mate? How much did the Pound lose in value to the Euro over the past 1.5 years? How are the contracts about new trade deals going? All rosy I guess.

It's very easy to create your own reality, be it that of a Brexiter or that of an Iranian believing that the revolution did very good or Trump is making America great again. At the end of the day it's about your perception and your reality.
The only Iranian Brexiter i've met in the UK was a restaurant owner in yorkshire (who had three wives, fair play to him), who was annoyed about "romanians and bulgarians coming here". His actual understanding of the geopolitical implications of brexit was so tiny that it was embarrassing. I enjoyed his chelo kabab though.

If you live in Britain ,beyond the economic and geopolitical ramifications, the impact on society as a whole is the one which is the most obvious. The fact that racists have now been legitimised because of the success of the nostalgia porn mentality. It is a sad time for everyone.
 
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How is Brexit going mate? How much did the Pound lose in value to the Euro over the past 1.5 years? How are the contracts about new trade deals going? All rosy I guess.

It's very easy to create your own reality, be it that of a Brexiter or that of an Iranian believing that the revolution did very good or Trump is making America great again. At the end of the day it's about your perception and your reality.
The EU negotiators proved why the Brits voted to leave. They have been making it difficult. Honestly, even you must realise that if they let the UK leave easily it will create a domino effect. But don't worry, Britain will leave.

I have to ask you though, how is inflation in the EU? How is the immigration issue? How about unemployment? Did you notice millions turning to vote for right wing parties that promise to leave the EU from Greece to Austria, Germany and Italy to France? Oh, it's easy to forget your own utter mess.

I reiterate, the EU is a failing project. It is a completely superficial economic and political union. It will die sooner or later. We will both be here and we will see. Be patient.
 
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The only Iranian Brexiter i've met in the UK was a restaurant owner in yorkshire (who had three wives, fair play to him), who was annoyed about "romanians and bulgarians coming here". His actual understanding of the geopolitical implications of brexit was so tiny that it was embarrassing. I enjoyed his chelo kabab though.

If you live in Britain ,beyond the economic and geopolitical ramifications, the impact on society as a whole is the one which is the most obvious. The fact that racists have now been legitimised because of the success of the nostalgia porn mentality. It is a sad time for everyone.
LOL. This post is so stupid I can not believe a half intelligent person wrote it. Keep eating chelo kabab and leave politics alone. It's not your forte.
 
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Is this meant to be satire "the lies about post-brexit disasters"? The leave.eu campaign is literally in the news right now having had a big fine for breaching electoral law in coming up to the referendum and you talk about some "lies that the government fed us"

Wake up for crying out loud, for the sake of your child if not your own.
Oh, do tell us about the government spending 10 million of tax payer money to produce leaflets in favour of Remain. But such things are usually swept under the carpet. The British people didn't buy it. They voted Leave and will do so again if another referendum was held tomorrow.

It's you who needs to wake up. The EU is a disaster. It is an entirely superficial economic and political Union. You must have been on another planet if you didn't hear how the French, the Germans, the Dutch, the Italians have been voting for far right parties. Did you hear what's been happening in Poland and Hungary? Or are you just ignoring it as something that will pass?
The EU managed to give rise to UKIP. Once the UK voted to leave UKIP has been lost as a political party. This should tell you something. THINK.
 
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Oh, do tell us about the government spending 10 million of tax payer money to produce leaflets in favour of Remain. But such things are usually swept under the carpet. The British people didn't buy it. They voted Leave and will do so again if another referendum was held tomorrow.

It's you who needs to wake up. The EU is a disaster. It is an entirely superficial economic and political Union. You must have been on another planet if you didn't hear how the French, the Germans, the Dutch, the Italians have been voting for far right parties. Did you hear what's been happening in Poland and Hungary? Or are you just ignoring it as something that will pass?
The EU managed to give rise to UKIP. Once the UK voted to leave UKIP has been lost as a political party. This should tell you something. THINK.
I don't know where to start with the amount of garbage you have written here. Everything from comparing the amount of money spent on Remain (in comparison with that illegally spent on the brexit campaign) with your "british people didn't buy it". I've had so many patients say they regret voting Brexit, your "will do so again" bullshit is both false from my experience and based on polls (spanning left and right sources).

I don't know what happened to you but you're completely lost.
 
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Why do some of you think falling of IR will be the beginning of "flowers and berries" story in Iran?! Don't you think that is exactly what people thought when they did the revolution back in 79?!!

This damn country will not have good days under any regime as long as the culture of its population is the same culture it has been since centuries ago.

A change must come slowly and from within. People suffering more or less, will not change the outcome in anyways!
 

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The only Iranian Brexiter i've met in the UK was a restaurant owner in yorkshire (who had three wives, fair play to him), who was annoyed about "romanians and bulgarians coming here". His actual understanding of the geopolitical implications of brexit was so tiny that it was embarrassing. I enjoyed his chelo kabab though.

If you live in Britain ,beyond the economic and geopolitical ramifications, the impact on society as a whole is the one which is the most obvious. The fact that racists have now been legitimised because of the success of the nostalgia porn mentality. It is a sad time for everyone.
Yes! Exactly! Look, the effects between the 79 revolution, Trump and Brexit for the relevant countries is not comparable. At the end of the day, Iranians didn't have a proper gauging system other than revolution to vote for whatever else or vent their frustration out because they believed the grass is greener (or as someone else once said, the best way to ruin the life of Middle Easterners when there's peace is just to ask them "what about democracy?") and in the UK and US people voted for Brexit and Trump because...well...essentially it comes down to racist sentiment and greed in the end but there are bigger issues as well.


The EU negotiators proved why the Brits voted to leave. They have been making it difficult. Honestly, even you must realise that if they let the UK leave easily it will create a domino effect. But don't worry, Britain will leave.
Exactly! "And the Atom deal is exactly the reason Iranians should never engage in deals with the west again." said Larijani in Iran.

I have to ask you though, how is inflation in the EU?
The interest rates are negative. Not existing I guess.

How is the immigration issue?
Fine! I don't mind migration. I would prefer more. But I guess your viewpoint is different. Austria had to get rid of professionals working in the asylum system because there are not asylum seekers coming.

Article is in German but google translate is your friend.

https://derstandard.at/200007944851...ege-in-Oesterreich-geht-weiter-massiv-zurueck

How is it going with Windrush and kicking out all these people who worked hard and paid taxes all their life?

How about unemployment?
Good! As long as we don't have 0 hour contracts, I'm alright.

Did you notice millions turning to vote for right wing parties that promise to leave the EU from Greece to Austria, Germany and Italy to France? Oh, it's easy to forget your own utter mess.
This is where I envy the UK a little bit. We don't have anyone like Corbyn to vote for. Other than that, the reasons for more people voting for Corbyn and voting for right wing parties are the same.

I reiterate, the EU is a failing project. It is a completely superficial economic and political union. It will die sooner or later. We will both be here and we will see. Be patient.
Which I agree with. The EU is as a construction flawed. Compared to Brexit however it is a masterpiece of policy.
 
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A8K

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Ouche that hurts.. Saddam could never be toppled by his own ppl and it took CIA and WMD to do it. I hope you come back with your explanation rather than pointless knife throwing. Maybe we can learn from you something not so obvious,

Even our own 'revolution' wasnt' by the ppl, it was in the cooker for over 15 years, US advisors instructed our army not to act and a plane landed with the new leader stepping off. This could be hard for you to digest as well. We will find out in ur response, no reply with some substance then I know you've been schooled.

probabaly the most inaccurate thing said yet in this thread.
 
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Which I agree with. The EU is as a construction flawed. Compared to Brexit however it is a masterpiece of policy.
The EU is like FIFA. It is monolithic, corrupt organisation which needs a complete overhaul.

But you still want to play world cups, and you still want to have geopolitical and economic significance.
 
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Well said and I would like to add the UN as well. On your last sentence, I have a feeling Iran for a while is going to be politically irrelevant. The Achoonds are going to bark but their bark is worse than their bite. As for economy I know that is in the crapper.

Behrouz C jan no disrespect intended but I am sometimes blown away but some of the things you say I feel like you are lost man.

When I hear Trump and pull out I think of Stormy Daniels.