Trump WAS the president

Sly

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you are naive my friend. the JCPOA was royal a$$ f**K for IRI. everything IRI needed to do was frontloaded. and everything the international community needed to do was backloaded. IRI has no leverage. even in times of Obama. Obama signed that law which black listed iran. then refused to ease international banks and insurance companies fears about doing busienss with Iran. you bet you Biden is gone come and put new demands on the table.
How can a president ease the fear of banks and insurance companies? That was never gonna happen to begin with.

I guess things will be clear in a few months. I don't doubt that Biden will have demands at some point but as far as JCPOA goes, he would be going back on his own policies if he comes with new demands. That's shooting himself in the foot. After all, he made the deal.
 

Sly

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Hahaha....

Just out of interest, how old ARE you? :D
Let's see if you will come here and laugh the same way in some 6 months time. ;)

The funny thing is that I think just like your love for Trump, you will come back here, change your words and say "I never said Biden will not have demands in the JCPOA per se but....". :D
 
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maziar95

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I find it ironic that those who spent 4 years insisting that the Russians interfered in US elections are now concerned about the integrity of the US election system :D
Big difference. In 2016 a foreign country interfered in US elections and that was proven and accepted by both parties. Safeguards were put into place in 2020 to prevent or at least minimize that from happening. In 2020 we have the sitting president accusing the other party of voter fraud. That accusation is diminishing the integrity of US elections and playing into hands of foe nations so much so that now we have dictators like khameini laughing and calling this a "spectacle".
 

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you are naive my friend. the JCPOA was royal a$$ f**K for IRI. everything IRI needed to do was frontloaded. and everything the international community needed to do was backloaded. IRI has no leverage. even in times of Obama. Obama signed that law which black listed iran. then refused to ease international banks and insurance companies fears about doing busienss with Iran. you bet you Biden is gone come and put new demands on the table.
Biden has already said he will put new demands on the table. No one should expect Biden to simply walk back to the original deal.
 
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The problem is that the world is so tribalistic now. As an example- the UK's BBC and MSM - the left think they are in the pockets of the government, the right consider the BBC to be a left-leaning propaganda machine.

We are in a world where the right consider the centre to be leftists, and the left consider the centre to be right-wing. These are broad brush strokes here, but social and conventional media echo chambers have brainwashed people so effectively that people literally can't understand the other viewpoint - look at Behrooz, Soroush. Look at Playboy, Look at Sly. These are a bunch of first or second gen immigrants to the west from Iran. Imagine what it's like for other communities....

All that is going to happen is that people are going to get increasingly bewildered by what they perceive to be untruths - and it will impact families, friendships, communities in a way which we haven't seen for decades....

BTW why are people even talking about Biden vs Trump for IR? It makes no difference who the US President is for the eshalic republic.
 
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How can a president ease the fear of banks and insurance companies?
Very Easy DOJ and Treasury issue Memos providing guidance that regular business with Iran is kosher. that way companies lawyers have eased concerns about ramifications of business with Iran. The Obama Administration refused to do any thing of such.
 
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Did that imply demands in the JCPOA or in general? That's a difference.
I really think you don't understand the dynamics behind U.S politics. 78% of jewish went to Democrats.

They cannot appear to be at all easy on Iran. they are gone go out of their way to make it looks like they are tough on iran.

They might demand iran cease activity in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Yemen.

Iran might trade away the Yemen card. in return for some relief.
 

maziar95

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Did that imply demands in the JCPOA or in general? That's a difference.
Biden has said Iran needs to go back to strict compliance of the original deal for the US to even consider re-negotiating and expanding on the original deal. Part of his expanding on the original deal is to address Iran's human rights violations, support of terrorism, ballistic missile program, and destabilizing efforts in the Middle East. Some people live in this fantasy world & think Biden is just going to give the keys back to Iran but that is simply not true. Expect more of the same as what the Trump administration was doing minus the rhetoric and monthly useless additional sanctions.
 
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rahim

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Sly:
Electoral college voting system if implemented per constitution could be the savior of the union in a federal system.
Currently only 2 out of 50 states excessive the right of proportional representation ( Nebraska and Maine). Others elect delegates to the college as a whole package, albeit provided that states amend their constitution prior to election date of nov 3 , they could devise their own system of delegate selection, which generally falls under domain of state legislatures.
Ironically, this is a borrowed Theoretical socialist concept used to manage federal system . By the time socialist governments were borne in early 20th century, this concept
Never worked for them and hardly implemented ( except early few years of soviet revolution).
I agree with maziar on the argument of the system giving a say to less industrialized and less populated areas of states.
 

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i will miss trump but not his goons.

they were the lowest of the low ever to get into
decision making positions in the u.s. regimes over
the last 100 years.
bengali nikki,fat mike,johnny mustache,etc.....
and this dude who obviously has had too many 7&7's on the ice since the elections :ROFLMAO:

Steve Bannon's lawyers quit after he calls for beheading of Dr Fauci and FBI Director Christopher Wray

Lawyers for former White House strategist Steve Bannon are reportedly calling it quits after their client called for the beheading of Dr Anthony Fauci and FBI director Christopher “as a warning”.

In a one-page letter, Mr Bannon’s lawyers asked a federal judge on Friday to postpone a hearing scheduled for Monday because they intend to withdraw from his case and so that Mr Bannon can retain new counsel.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/steve-bannons-lawyers-quit-calls-184555756.html
 

Playboy

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Biden has said Iran needs to go back to strict compliance of the original deal for the US to even consider re-negotiating and expanding on the original deal. Part of his expanding on the original deal is to address Iran's human rights violations, support of terrorism, ballistic missile program, and destabilizing efforts in the Middle East. Some people live in this fantasy world & think Biden is just going to give the keys back to Iran but that is simply not true. Expect more of the same as what the Trump administration was doing minus the rhetoric and monthly useless additional sanctions.
biden has ate shit.

as long as the top moola is alive there will be no negotiations
with any american regime unless they(e.g. the american regime)
got back into the jcpoa and this time implement it instead of
violating it.

and frankly with the gazillions of issues the usa is facing now i would
say iran and the jcpoa is not even on the next regime's todo list for the
foreseeable future.
 

rahim

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Poetic Justice
Karma

Mexico sends his rapist to America :
ARIZONA and NEVADA

John Lewis’s district is the most crime infested in America:
GEORGIA

McCaine was not a war hero
ARIZONA

Two Johns screwing Trump, even in their death :)
 

Sly

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I really think you don't understand the dynamics behind U.S politics. 78% of jewish went to Democrats.

They cannot appear to be at all easy on Iran. they are gone go out of their way to make it looks like they are tough on iran.

They might demand iran cease activity in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Yemen.

Iran might trade away the Yemen card. in return for some relief.
Dude, I do understand how things work. Even during Obama when negotiating they couldn't appear to be easy on Iran. After the deal was done, in the US it was called "we stopped them from developing nuclear weapon". In Iran it was called "we got our right for developing peaceful nuclear energy". It's all a game. They will surely start demanding Iran for different stuff. Even if it is something meaningless to the US just to calm the Israelis and the Saudis down. However, what I mean is, he can not come and change the deal which was set by his own government. That will only make his previous government look bad! Also specially when so many other countries were involved and signed the deal. In the beginning he's gonna have to join the deal just as it was before. but if later he makes a new pact with the same countries and come up with new demands outside the JCPOA, that is a totally different discussion.
 
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Sly

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Biden has said Iran needs to go back to strict compliance of the original deal for the US to even consider re-negotiating and expanding on the original deal. Part of his expanding on the original deal is to address Iran's human rights violations, support of terrorism, ballistic missile program, and destabilizing efforts in the Middle East. Some people live in this fantasy world & think Biden is just going to give the keys back to Iran but that is simply not true. Expect more of the same as what the Trump administration was doing minus the rhetoric and monthly useless additional sanctions.
Biden is gonna have to say that first sentence to appear strong and appealing for the US allies who are Iran's enemies. He will eventually come back to the deal. In the US they will say Iran stopped their activities so we joined the deal again. In Iran they will say just the opposite.

and they might go for expanding the deal but it doesn't say if that's a demand for the US to join the deal or if that is something they will plan after the US have joined the original deal. If things are gonna continue smoothly from all angles (even from the other 5+1 countries' point of view) I believe the latter will happen.
 
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