What's next for the Venezuela?

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Ball Boy
Oct 22, 2016
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#1
Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro said he was ordering all American diplomats out of the country within 72 hours—and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says that won't happen!!!!!!! (how could they maintain safety if not bail? )

US prep'd to give a 20 Mil food assistance to the ppl of Venezuela.
 

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Ball Boy
Oct 22, 2016
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State Department orders "non-emergency U.S. government employees to depart Venezuela" amid political turmoil.


You realize in '88 we didn't get support from Clinton/Obama yet Venezuela has full support of the US. It's a huge difference, ppl will get out at the right time, they don't have a huge load of ammunition, they know they have to use it cleverly and be frugal.


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One thing for sure they took their freedom back on the streets instead of making dubsmash on Instagram
 
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State Department orders "non-emergency U.S. government employees to depart Venezuela" amid political turmoil.


You realize in '88 we didn't get support from Clinton/Obama yet Venezuela has full support of the US. It's a huge difference, ppl will get out at the right time, they don't have a huge load of ammunition, they know they have to use it cleverly and be frugal.
سال 88 تنها عده ای از یک قشر به پاخواستند
اگر همه مردم پشتبانی ان جنبش بودند انوقت امریکا هم دخالت میکرد
امریکا جایی که ببینه حداقل پنجاه پنجاه هست دخالت میکنه در غیر اینصورت این کار رو نمیکنه
چون حتی اگر امریکا هم دخالت میکرد جنبش پیروز نمیشد
برعکس به رژیم این پوئن رو میداد که بگه این جنبش کاملا امریکایی همانطور که بعدها گفتند
امریکا منتظر شد تا ببینه جنبش سبز چه روندی رو می پیمایه
وقتی دید کاری نمیتونه از پیش ببره و مهرهای قدرتمندی نداره و انقدرها مردمی نیست کنار کشید
البته این را هم میتوان گفت که دوران اوباما با ترامب فرق داشت
هر انقلاب و جنبشی اگر همه قشرها در ان شرکت نکنند پیروز نخواهد شد
 

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Ball Boy
Oct 22, 2016
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#8
wrrrrrrrrrrrong.

Same US government handed IR billions.. they were behind IR no matter what, even if all Iranians came out.
Many believe opposite of what you have stated here.

Democrats didn't want to rock the boat and further use Iran in calming the region short term.

سال 88 تنها عده ای از یک قشر به پاخواستند
اگر همه مردم پشتبانی ان جنبش بودند انوقت امریکا هم دخالت میکرد
امریکا جایی که ببینه حداقل پنجاه پنجاه هست دخالت میکنه در غیر اینصورت این کار رو نمیکنه
چون حتی اگر امریکا هم دخالت میکرد جنبش پیروز نمیشد
برعکس به رژیم این پوئن رو میداد که بگه این جنبش کاملا امریکایی همانطور که بعدها گفتند
امریکا منتظر شد تا ببینه جنبش سبز چه روندی رو می پیمایه
وقتی دید کاری نمیتونه از پیش ببره و مهرهای قدرتمندی نداره و انقدرها مردمی نیست کنار کشید
البته این را هم میتوان گفت که دوران اوباما با ترامب فرق داشت
هر انقلاب و جنبشی اگر همه قشرها در ان شرکت نکنند پیروز نخواهد شد
 
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State Department orders "non-emergency U.S. government employees to depart Venezuela" amid political turmoil.


You realize in '88 we didn't get support from Clinton/Obama yet Venezuela has full support of the US. It's a huge difference, ppl will get out at the right time, they don't have a huge load of ammunition, they know they have to use it cleverly and be frugal.
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Sorry bro no offence, but here is another lame ass excuse added to the long list in our history. WTF Obama could and would do? back us up with Military action? fund those who would go on strike? seriously what the hell is this Obama this or Obama that. When two jakesh Basiji are beating on an innocent girl and 50 what so-called guys are filming it to upload on Instagram then how would Obama help? The one and only thing Obama could do was to keep the $$$ freezing until a legit government. Now having said that, Trump administration has been the loudest enemy of this Regime and if so people wanted a reinforcement? then here is a backup, and btw how exactly the US is helping Venezuelan people? maybe you know something
 
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May 9, 2004
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#10
wrrrrrrrrrrrong.

Same US government handed IR billions.. they were behind IR no matter what, even if all Iranians came out.
Many believe opposite of what you have stated here.

Democrats didn't want to rock the boat and further use Iran in calming the region short term.
نه عمو جان
امریکا صدها ملیارد تو افغانستان عراق سوریه خودش و نوچه هاش خرج کردند که رژیم ایران رو تضعیف و بعد سرنگون کنند
الان هم این سنکشن ها کمر رژیم رو شکسته
جنبش سبز طرفداران زیادی نسبتا به کسانی که تو خیابان به پشتیبانی رژیم امدند نداشت
دلیلش هم این که تنها یک بار جنبش توانست یک تظاهرات مستقل داشته باشه
و بعد از ان از فرصت هایی مانند روزهای جشن یا عزای رزیم استفاده میکرد تا طرفدارانش رو به خیابونها بکشونه
که اخرش در 22 بهمن شکست خورد و رهبرانش خانه نشین شدند
این که میگی امریکا نمیخواد رژیم سقوط کنه یک جوک بیش نیست
زیرا حقایقی رو که ما دیده ایم و می بینیم در طول این مدت اشکار میکنه که امریکا در پی تضعیف رژیم و سرنگونی ان گام برداشته
بجز این چیز دیگری نمیتوان گفت و خود فریبی است اگر بگیم امریکا نمیخواهد رژیم سقوط کنه
اگر حتی فرض را بر این بگیریم که امریکا اصلا دوست رژیم است و همه کشورهای جهان از رژیم حمایت میکنند
باور کن اگر اکثریت مردم ضد رژیم قیام کنند هیچ نیروییی نمیتواند رژیم را سرپا نگه دارد
باید قبول کرد رژیم حداقل تا امروز پایه های مردمی داشته و این تنها چیزی است که از سقوط رژیم در این مدت جلوگیری کرده است
من همه کانالهای اخباری و سایت های غربی و عربی و خارجی را بررسی میکنم و می بینم وقتی در ایران یک تظاهرات کوچک میشود
تا چه حد این رسانه ها به ان دامن می زنند
در صورتی که مثلا رژیم مصر که طرفدار امریکاست در یک روز نزدیک به 1000 نفر را در میدان رابعه عدویه کشت
و نزدیک به 50 هزار زندانی سیاسی دارد ولی خبری انچنانی در این رابطه نیست
حالا فرض کن رژیم ایران مثلا در میدان ازادی هزار نفر را کشته بود و 50 هزار زندانی سیاسی فقط از یک حزب یا گروه داشت
کلاه خودت رو قاضی کن خبرها چه بود ؟!!ا
یا مثلا رزیم عربستان یک شهر را در عربستان با تانک و توپ نابود کردو نزدیک به 400 نفر را کشت ایاشما خبر دار شدید ؟
عربستان را با قرمز نوشتم که فکر نکنی منظورم شهر در یمن است
نه در عربستان نابود کرد
ایا خبر دار شدید ؟
 

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Ball Boy
Oct 22, 2016
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#11
^@real_madrid

I suffice with this that the Britts who are backing IR (Oil etc) and Democrats have an aligned policy toward IR and preserving it. Or you limit your view of the facts the discharging of IR of nukes and interests of Britts in preserving IR crossed paths but can not deny H Clinton ignorance of human rights violation in Iran at the time.

Obama didn't move a finger at that time. They carried a phony human rights campaign against Shah in Iran, a well-orchestrated one which helped in his demise. That's why it matters along with whatever pressure applied. They had all of Iran and world believe Shah was a blood thirsty king.

Appreciate ur opinion expressed.
 
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Ball Boy
Oct 22, 2016
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I am a believer that IR has killed a lot more in comparison throughout the years, we won't be any worse than we are right now, my personal belief. And I hate the phony freedom delivery characteristics of the uncle Sam.

در صورتی که مثلا رژیم مصر که طرفدار امریکاست در یک روز نزدیک به 1000 نفر را در میدان رابعه عدویه کشت
و نزدیک به 50 هزار زندانی سیاسی دارد ولی خبری انچنانی در این رابطه نیست
حالا فرض کن رژیم ایران مثلا در میدان ازادی هزار نفر را کشته بود و 50 هزار زندانی سیاسی فقط از یک حزب یا گروه داشت
کلاه خودت رو قاضی کن خبرها چه بود ؟!!ا
یا مثلا رزیم عربستان یک شهر را در عربستان با تانک و توپ نابود کردو نزدیک به 400 نفر را کشت ایاشما خبر دار شدید ؟
عربستان را با قرمز نوشتم که فکر نکنی منظورم شهر در یمن است
نه در عربستان نابود کرد
ایا خبر دار شدید ؟
 

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Ball Boy
Oct 22, 2016
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#13
@Real Madrid

"Obama silence validated the mullahs, despite the blood on their hands and the nuclear centrifuges in their tunnels," presidential hopeful Tim Pawlenty alleged last year in the race for the Republican nomination. some fact check; https://www.cnn.com/2012/10/08/politics/fact-check-romney-iran/index.html

In Case of Venezuela, for now both Trump and Pompeo are expressing support for the people and actually have another leader who they support, that' like 30% of the bargain right there; it may lead to no where with direct US intervention but at least ppl feel they have the support. And a package of $25 mil for food is designated.

Hope US, whatever they do, do not act like they did in case of Hungry years back where they brought the people on the street but lack of continuation by the US led to killings of Hungarian by Soviets.
 

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Ball Boy
Oct 22, 2016
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I think an IR ex European politician is on the record that IR can not combat with US hegemony and is not in place to do so; we need to observe that shitty situation and move on. I pull the link when I can.
 
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Not in Million years, Iran does what Venezuela did. Iranians have always had a soft spot for any type of totalitarianism and they're loving it., you have to understand the democracy before asking for it. you can't have a religious mindset and be a nationalist at the same time. and those few people you see on the streets of Tehran are out because they're hungry. through a bundle at them and they go back home happily.
 

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Ball Boy
Oct 22, 2016
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^ I think thousands of teachers, unpaid workers and activists are at forefront of this round of confrontation. Let's hope you're theory of Iranians proven wrong. We will see.

Even to the invisible people outside Iran who pull the strings, satisfaction of general public matters to a degree.
 
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^ I think thousands of teachers, unpaid workers and activists are at forefront of this round of confrontation. Let's hope you're theory of Iranians proven wrong. We will see.

Even to the invisible people outside Iran who pull the strings, satisfaction of general public matters to a degree.
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My theory is the fruit of lat 400 years of our history. and as you said, unpaid teachers and workers. so pay them and they all leave the streets like there is no other issue surrounding the nation.
 

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Ball Boy
Oct 22, 2016
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^ Well those people are primarily responsible for own family like me and yourself are, they are not obligated for more...under such brutal force.

But when ppl are fed then they look for the next round which is more freedom, that's why this phase is probably seeming endless. Keeping people hungry is a method of controlling them but it can not last forever. Look at Venezuela for example.
 
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^ Well those people are primarily responsible for own family like me and yourself are, they are not obligated for more...under such brutal force.

But when ppl are fed then they look for the next round which is more freedom, that's why this phase is probably seeming endless. Keeping people hungry is a method of controlling them but it can not last forever. Look at Venezuela for example.
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Keep waiting brother keep waiting