Who was more stupid? Daie or us?!

Oct 20, 2002
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UAE
#1
  • We should have seen it coming a long time ago. Remeber that we barely beat N. Korea in Azadi.. they pressed towards the end and ALL of their attempts were dangeous. A draw was a more fair result.
  • In the away game against UAE, we escaped a historical defeat thanks to the UAE forwards and the reflexes of Rahmati.
  • In S. Korea game in Azadi the koreans were better than us in ALL departments.. we scored a lucky goal from a free kick because we could never creat any clear cut chances for 90 mins.. but we were too thrilled to see the reality.
  • Then it was the Saudi game.. Arrogant Daie and some members on ISP were predicting a win with a big margin.. when was the last time we beat any team (let a lone a top Asian side) by a big margin? and when was the last time that the saudis were a pushover?! why did we live an illusion? was it Daie's big mouth, arrogant approach, lack of respect for the opponent, or it is something deep in our culture? or a combination of all?
  • Our so called European based players were the worst yesterday. Even Nikonam who was supposed to be a leader was playing as if we are ahead by 5 goals when it was only a shakely 1-0. If our so called the most professional player had that attitude then you should not blame anyone else for anything! Can't we learn a thing or two from Uzbakestan?
  • In all of the official games that the team played under Daie, the midfield was outplayed by the opponents regardless of the name (even Thailand). Count how many 50/50 balls we won in the middle.. count how many 2nd balls we won in that area and you should get the picture. Midfield is your backbone, if you don't have that then you have a team that we have been seeing for the past few month!
  • Whatever we have achived so far (be it small) was mainly due to the skills of some gifted players and to some luck. I am sorry, but out of all the teams in this stage, only UAE and Qatar seem worse than TM.. but are we ready to accept that reality or we are still living the illusion?
 

reza+

Ball Boy
Feb 19, 2004
354
0
#2
very good points saeed!

the facts speak louder than words ... the current TM is an average asian team, if iran's TM cannot dicatate the game to its asian opponents in Tehran (in front 100k people), it's a serious sign of a weak team...

basically this team is spineless, lacks real characters ...we, as fans, should be realistic & realise that we lack talent at the moment... the team that was out there yesterday was tired, unfit & out of ideas ... we cannot blame daie (completely) for this shameful defeat, he simply does not have the likes of "bagheri, karimi, aziz, kia" at their peak in iran at the moment

the current team lacks fitness, talent - thats obvious but we even lack height & strong physique in places where it matters, i.e., centre forward, central midfied defence !!! the saudis won the physical game (and they had height),dominated us at corners & free kick...look we are talking about the saudi team & not a physically strong african/european team !

i still think if the players were physically stronger & fitter, they'd have done a lot better ... certainly better than n korea & saudi
 

Intoxicated

Bench Warmer
Dec 18, 2002
943
10
Toronto, Canada
#5
  • We should have seen it coming a long time ago. Remeber that we barely beat N. Korea in Azadi.. they pressed towards the end and ALL of their attempts were dangeous. A draw was a more fair result.
  • In the away game against UAE, we escaped a historical defeat thanks to the UAE forwards and the reflexes of Rahmati.
  • In S. Korea game in Azadi the koreans were better than us in ALL departments.. we scored a lucky goal from a free kick because we could never creat any clear cut chances for 90 mins.. but we were too thrilled to see the reality.
  • Then it was the Saudi game.. Arrogant Daie and some members on ISP were predicting a win with a big margin.. when was the last time we beat any team (let a lone a top Asian side) by a big margin? and when was the last time that the saudis were a pushover?! why did we live an illusion? was it Daie's big mouth, arrogant approach, lack of respect for the opponent, or it is something deep in our culture? or a combination of all?
  • Our so called European based players were the worst yesterday. Even Nikonam who was supposed to be a leader was playing as if we are ahead by 5 goals when it was only a shakely 1-0. If our so called the most professional player had that attitude then you should not blame anyone else for anything! Can't we learn a thing or two from Uzbakestan?
  • In all of the official games that the team played under Daie, the midfield was outplayed by the opponents regardless of the name (even Thailand). Count how many 50/50 balls we won in the middle.. count how many 2nd balls we won in that area and you should get the picture. Midfield is your backbone, if you don't have that then you have a team that we have been seeing for the past few month!
  • Whatever we have achived so far (be it small) was mainly due to the skills of some gifted players and to some luck. I am sorry, but out of all the teams in this stage, only UAE and Qatar seem worse than TM.. but are we ready to accept that reality or we are still living the illusion?
I thought the European players played relatively ok... but i agree on all the other points.

Now the 'illusion' problem partly comes from the fact that iranian mentality in general loves to either glorify someone OR condemn that person. this personal trait has cost of over the years and we just dont seem to learn.
i dont want to make this thread about a particular player but to clarify my point take Ali Karimi as an example. there was a time when Karimi was shinining and our media/people turned him into a god...i remember at point people were comparing him with the likes of Messi and C. Ronaldo !!
we did the samething with Kabi at some point....
at the same time we take pleasure in blaming everything on one player/coach. for instance hashemian. yes he hasn't produced, yes he is not as fit..but the reason that iran is not performing has little to with him..many players sucked yesterday..why we always single him out? how many chances did he ruin? exaclty

again these are just examples that shows we either make or break players/coaches. Emotions always gets the best of us. If we are more relastic and logical about our abilities we'll be far more sucessful in soccer and in our personal lives !
 
Jul 5, 2008
2,723
0
Melbourne
#6
You actually expected us to dominate the midfield with the likes of Khalatbari, Shojaei & Kazemi?

Wake up..
Our midfield was not even strong enough to control the game, we lost the midfield battle in every one of those games, = we lost the games....

UAE dominated the midfield, they dominated us.
S.Korea dominated the midfield they dominated us.
Saudi Arabia dominated the midfield, they beat us..

Even North Korea dominated us, and they could of easily gone away with a draw or a win in Azadi.

EVEN Saudi Arabia away, they dominated the midfield, and dominated us.

We have well and truly, with Daei's weak midfield, been dominated by every team in this group.

So to answer your question, Daei is plain dumb for using such a midfield, and we are even dumber for thinking we would win a midfield battle with such pathetic midfielders...