I thought you said that Egypt is today (or a month ago 
) was at the forefront of democracy in the world, and that the rest of the world needed to learn from them, or was it someone else? Have you given up on the prospect of democracy so soon?
People in Iran voted for Rohani out of the same day-to-day concerns: to get rid of sanctions, to improve international relations, to make up for AN's mismanagement. Yet their decision to think about their livelihood first was met with a different kind of reaction!!
) was at the forefront of democracy in the world, and that the rest of the world needed to learn from them, or was it someone else? Have you given up on the prospect of democracy so soon?People in Iran voted for Rohani out of the same day-to-day concerns: to get rid of sanctions, to improve international relations, to make up for AN's mismanagement. Yet their decision to think about their livelihood first was met with a different kind of reaction!!
Hahahahaha, this shit is getting bitterly funny!!!!!
محمد البرادعی به دادگاه فراخوانده شد
Inclusivity at its best
محمد البرادعی به دادگاه فراخوانده شد
Inclusivity at its best
Hahahahaha, this shit is getting bitterly funny!!!!!
محمد البرادعی به دادگاه فراخوانده شد
Inclusivity at its best
محمد البرادعی به دادگاه فراخوانده شد
Inclusivity at its best
Love what the Egyptian Army is doing. Baradei is one of the biggest SOB's ever - bet he was pushed onto Egyptians by foreigners......(read Saudis).
Hahahahaha, this shit is getting bitterly funny!!!!!
محمد البرادعی به دادگاه فراخوانده شد
Inclusivity at its best
محمد البرادعی به دادگاه فراخوانده شد
Inclusivity at its best
this was classic.
Whatever you say man. Obama is an implant by Euro Monarchs and now Elbaradie is the biggest SOB an implant by Saudis. I guess Elbaradie became an SOB overnight when he resigned from his government post in protest to the army killings of the protesters.
I thought the Saudis have declared their full support for the Egyptian army, then how come Elbaradie (who was "pushed onto Egyptians") resigned and now is called to appear in court?
I thought the Saudis have declared their full support for the Egyptian army, then how come Elbaradie (who was "pushed onto Egyptians") resigned and now is called to appear in court?
Agha, I have to disagree with you on that. He was spot on on Iraq weapon of mass destruction issue, I do not know what you mean when you are referring to his nuclear negotiations with IRI when he was the head of IAEA. What did he do wrong as the head of IAEA when dealing with IRI?
I personally think he is a decent man.
I personally think he is a decent man.
I thought you said that Egypt is today (or a month ago ) was at the forefront of democracy in the world, and that the rest of the world needed to learn from them, or was it someone else? Have you given up on the prospect of democracy so soon?
) was at the forefront of democracy in the world, and that the rest of the world needed to learn from them, or was it someone else? Have you given up on the prospect of democracy so soon?
Yeah, the only difference is that people in Iran changed the color of the paint on the wall when the house is getting sucked into a sink hole! Drastic problems require drastic measures, not cosmetic ones. It's really not that complicated.
LOL. You're using terms like Zionists and Wahabbis and calling terrorists who have killed 100 cops and torched and destroyed as many buildings "innocent men" and think that we should take-off our "ideology lenses"?!!! :khodai:
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Safar jaan, El Baradaei had been under intense criticism from Egyptian media, intellectuals and the Tamarod movement for weeks before he resigned. Yes, he's a decent man (albeit completely misinformed about the dynamics of Egypt's political landscape) and he was the proponent of a soft stance against Islamists and Islamism (much like he had been in nuclear negotiations with Iran) and they allowed him to negotiate with them. He failed, but instead of acknowledging that and the inevitability of the next step or resigning at that point, he threw everyone else in the interim government under the bus. Although I would do not agree with him being detained or charged, that was a weasel move.
Israel is a Zionist state. They proudly label themselves as such! Why are you hesitating to do the same? Saudis are bankrolling hard-line Wahhabis who cannot tolerate the colour of anyone else's ideology/ religion. These labels are fine. But that's alright, you'll blame Saudis in another post but be totally OK with them supporting and propping up this military coup/ takeover (even going as far as saying they will fund and make up the difference if America stops aid to Egypt). Both Israel, Wahhabis and IR (three headed snake in the region) will bend and accommodate any other ideology as long as it gets them further along in the geopolitical game.
I've said this in the past but really feel for anyone who actually think any of these modern-day politicians give a damn about religion or ideology is fooling themselves. They will make alliances with their mother's murderer if they feel that it will keep them in or expand their power. But yes, let's use terms like "Islamists" because it makes them look evil before they even have a chance to defend themselves.
Tons of innocent people have been killed that are not associated with any "terrorists" as you say. People on the streets have been killed. How do you not get this? Anyway, as I said I am against all killings of innocent, protesters, even non-violent police/ military personnel. You're much more politicized in your analysis of things. You see things from a political perspective, to see if they fight your political mode/ ideology, then you judge based on that instead of just sticking to generalized principles and using that as a litmus test to evaluate. I mean picking people that have beards off the street and harassing them of being "terrorists" (again, this is terror from extremists secular folks, just like extremists religious folk terrorize nonreligious people if they diverge)
There has been no revolution in Egypt. The military has been in rule, and continues to be in rule. There is only a revolution when there is a power shift. That has not happened. The Egyptians are worst off now then they were under Mubarak.
I've said this in the past but really feel for anyone who actually think any of these modern-day politicians give a damn about religion or ideology is fooling themselves. They will make alliances with their mother's murderer if they feel that it will keep them in or expand their power. But yes, let's use terms like "Islamists" because it makes them look evil before they even have a chance to defend themselves.
Tons of innocent people have been killed that are not associated with any "terrorists" as you say. People on the streets have been killed. How do you not get this? Anyway, as I said I am against all killings of innocent, protesters, even non-violent police/ military personnel. You're much more politicized in your analysis of things. You see things from a political perspective, to see if they fight your political mode/ ideology, then you judge based on that instead of just sticking to generalized principles and using that as a litmus test to evaluate. I mean picking people that have beards off the street and harassing them of being "terrorists" (again, this is terror from extremists secular folks, just like extremists religious folk terrorize nonreligious people if they diverge)
There has been no revolution in Egypt. The military has been in rule, and continues to be in rule. There is only a revolution when there is a power shift. That has not happened. The Egyptians are worst off now then they were under Mubarak.
Behru JAn, you and I have different take on Egyptian crisis. I am following the events as they unfold. If you think that the Egyptian army is able to do away with MB by declaring them illegal, I have news for you Gamal Aboldnassar who was the Al Sisi of 1954, (head of the Armed forces) banned MB. Not only MB did not go away but came back an won the election. There is absolutely no political organization in Egypt that can come close to MB organization. Egyptian army is making the same mistake that Algerian army make some 12 years ago. Thousands of people have been killed following the Algerian army coup. There is no way there can be a democratic system in Egypt without the participation of the MB.
What is happening in Egypt is going to radicalize members of MB and that will not bode well for the democratic movement in the ME.
What is happening in Egypt is going to radicalize members of MB and that will not bode well for the democratic movement in the ME.
Too logical of a post.
Please stop. *sarcasm*
The fact is, secular extremists, like some of our fine members on this board, are incredibly undemocratic and cannot tolerate anyone else besides themselves. They brand groups as "Islamists" and "terrorists" because they want to vilify them to deny them of political participation.
Please stop. *sarcasm*
The fact is, secular extremists, like some of our fine members on this board
, are incredibly undemocratic and cannot tolerate anyone else besides themselves. They brand groups as "Islamists" and "terrorists" because they want to vilify them to deny them of political participation.