IQ=24, if you're worried about freedom, start with your own homeland. Don't worry about America and other "so called free countries" that yoyos like you don't even deserve to live in. Don't tire your 3 brain cells bashing systems that people with ten times your intelligence and character would give anything to live under.
Thanks chocholi.
Thanks chocholi.
and whats wrong with that picture exactly?! its not like they can afford Hyatt's Hotel room to stay in and then protest?!
At least they are fighting for their right, and the inequality that has harmed most Americans in recent years..
But have no doubts that "Occupy Wall Street" movement is not vanished as govt hopes. I'll bet you anything that they'll come back and shake U.S governance/political system bc of their poor policies, within the next 5 years at most.
At least they are fighting for their right, and the inequality that has harmed most Americans in recent years..But have no doubts that "Occupy Wall Street" movement is not vanished as govt hopes. I'll bet you anything that they'll come back and shake U.S governance/political system bc of their poor policies, within the next 5 years at most.
I was pointing out that the OP who is shedding tears for lack of freedom here wouldn't be caught dead at Zuccotti Park for a minute. As for the "occupy" movement, the place protest it was in front of the White House and Congress. What did Oakland have to do with anything? Nothing that Wall Street did was illegal at the time. The crooks wrote the laws then when it blew up in their faces they pretend they were just spectators.
این امریکا هر جا به نغعش بود بوق حقوق بشر و ازادی بیان و این حرفها را بلند میکند
و هر جا به نفعش نبود اصلا بیخیال
اگر تو ایران همین امروز صد نفر تظاهرات کنند سی ان ان و بی بی سی و بقیه رساناها از رساناهای عربی گرفته تا ژاپن و ترکمستان و وق وق ستان دم از حقوق بشر و پایمال شدن حقوق بشر و این چیزها را می زنند
ولی اگر تو امریکا یا اروپا دها هزار نفر تظاهرات کنند اب از اب تکان نخواهد خورد
یا مثلا اگر در بحرین و یمن مردم را به گلوله بستند و تانک تو خیابانها اوردند کسی خبر دار نمی شود
ولی سوریه از پادشاه عربستان گرفته یا وزیر خارجه امریکا و بقیه اشک تمساح بخاطر کشته شدن مردم می ریزند
ادم کشی و زیر پا گذاشتن حقوق بشر بد است در ایران باشد یا امریکا در سوریه باشد یا بحرین
ولی وقتی یکی مثل پادشاه عربستان به خاطر نبود دمکراسی در سوریه ناله میکند و در کشور خودش زنان حتی نمی توانند رانندگی کنند
ادم خنده اش می گیرد
همچنین وقتی امریکا دم از ازادی بیان و حقوق بشر می زند و با مردم خودش اینطور رفتار میکند
و هزاران نفر را در این رابطه دستگیر میکند
عیان می شود که ازادی یعنی ازادی انچه من می خواهم
و حقوق بشر یعنی حقوق من
و ازادی بیان یعنی انچه من می گویم
بله جانم
و هر جا به نفعش نبود اصلا بیخیال
اگر تو ایران همین امروز صد نفر تظاهرات کنند سی ان ان و بی بی سی و بقیه رساناها از رساناهای عربی گرفته تا ژاپن و ترکمستان و وق وق ستان دم از حقوق بشر و پایمال شدن حقوق بشر و این چیزها را می زنند
ولی اگر تو امریکا یا اروپا دها هزار نفر تظاهرات کنند اب از اب تکان نخواهد خورد
یا مثلا اگر در بحرین و یمن مردم را به گلوله بستند و تانک تو خیابانها اوردند کسی خبر دار نمی شود
ولی سوریه از پادشاه عربستان گرفته یا وزیر خارجه امریکا و بقیه اشک تمساح بخاطر کشته شدن مردم می ریزند
ادم کشی و زیر پا گذاشتن حقوق بشر بد است در ایران باشد یا امریکا در سوریه باشد یا بحرین
ولی وقتی یکی مثل پادشاه عربستان به خاطر نبود دمکراسی در سوریه ناله میکند و در کشور خودش زنان حتی نمی توانند رانندگی کنند
ادم خنده اش می گیرد
همچنین وقتی امریکا دم از ازادی بیان و حقوق بشر می زند و با مردم خودش اینطور رفتار میکند
و هزاران نفر را در این رابطه دستگیر میکند
عیان می شود که ازادی یعنی ازادی انچه من می خواهم
و حقوق بشر یعنی حقوق من
و ازادی بیان یعنی انچه من می گویم
بله جانم
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من را ياد يكى از نمايشهاى قديمى برنامه صبح جمعه با شما مى اندازه
پرزيدنت ريگان در صداى آمريكا يك شعر مى خواند به نام اين را من ميگم و ميخواند:
دنيا زير سلطه منه
اين را من ميگم
حرف من حرف حقه
اين را من ميگم
...
سرخ و سياه و زرد و سفيد
همه با هم برابرند
و هيچ كدوم حقى ندارند
اين را من ميگم
تو چى ميگى
هيچى
تو فقط آزادى كه گوش كنى
اين را من ميگم
I dont want to give you the impression that US has the same fucked up government like Iran or Syria.
I want to show you that even in a so called democratic society like the US, human right violation exists and hurts our freedom even if you do not live in the US.
I hope to those who do not have much access to information nor correct news should open your eyes when Obama or whoever in the US talks about human rights violation.
My opinion is that US gives a damn about Irans or Syira future of freedom and democracy as their actions and talks have shown us a different action so many times.
I want to show you that even in a so called democratic society like the US, human right violation exists and hurts our freedom even if you do not live in the US.
I hope to those who do not have much access to information nor correct news should open your eyes when Obama or whoever in the US talks about human rights violation.
My opinion is that US gives a damn about Irans or Syira future of freedom and democracy as their actions and talks have shown us a different action so many times.
yes but he has a point...
Huge difference...in the US you can put that video on youtube and the police will get persecuted, the people will talk about it, the people are aware, they can do something about it. That's why it's a free society and the greatest country on earth.
What you have above is police brutality. Has nothing to do with any government, society or whatever else...besides, I might be wrong but Occupy Wall Street always had the right to demonstrate.
Huge difference...in the US you can put that video on youtube and the police will get persecuted, the people will talk about it, the people are aware, they can do something about it. That's why it's a free society and the greatest country on earth.
What you have above is police brutality. Has nothing to do with any government, society or whatever else...besides, I might be wrong but Occupy Wall Street always had the right to demonstrate.
One cannot compare the murderous government of Iran who oppresses, rapes, and tortures its own people and bans every social freedom. Thanks to the poor writing and teachings of Koran and the muslim religion that enables it.
However, that does not mean lack of equality and abuse of power does not exist in other places especially in the United States, as great as it is and we all love. The power of lobbying and abuse of power by the rich and the wealthy corporations who control the media and the government, and influence creation of laws that favors themselves, the top 1%. Just because Iran and many other countries are f***ed up by the muslim religion and the fundemental followers, as well as other form of facism, that does not mean American people should put up with the abuse of power by the wealthy and powerful.
That would not be democracy but rather the third world fascist thinking where the other parts of the world is f***ed up and therefore the people in America should not demonstrate and push for full democracy.
However, that does not mean lack of equality and abuse of power does not exist in other places especially in the United States, as great as it is and we all love. The power of lobbying and abuse of power by the rich and the wealthy corporations who control the media and the government, and influence creation of laws that favors themselves, the top 1%. Just because Iran and many other countries are f***ed up by the muslim religion and the fundemental followers, as well as other form of facism, that does not mean American people should put up with the abuse of power by the wealthy and powerful.
That would not be democracy but rather the third world fascist thinking where the other parts of the world is f***ed up and therefore the people in America should not demonstrate and push for full democracy.
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akhe pesar how on earth is this related to what I posted?...Seriously. What the hell are you even talking about?
Why should I feel bad about paying taxes if I support the US system?? The ones who need to stop paying are the ones who seem to oppose everything America stands for.
Do yourself a favor. Pick a cause you can actually understand.
Why should I feel bad about paying taxes if I support the US system?? The ones who need to stop paying are the ones who seem to oppose everything America stands for.
Do yourself a favor. Pick a cause you can actually understand.
well u kind of can do something about it! specially when thanks to Bush tax cut, those "Top %1" pay less tax than average American! something Obama tries to abolish, but dont think he succeeds. The fact that millionaires in U.S dont have to follow the tax bracket for their income tax, unlike other rich countries, tells a lot about the mess.
but Mahdi has a point too, that at least in U.S u can talk about it and prosecute police(but they dont bc they fear of being labeled as "Leftists, socialists, communists"!!, but u cant in a corrupt country like Iran.
but Mahdi has a point too, that at least in U.S u can talk about it and prosecute police(but they dont bc they fear of being labeled as "Leftists, socialists, communists"!!, but u cant in a corrupt country like Iran.
See it this way too that in the US if you put smth on youtube which you question the form of government or you are actively involved to protest against US military, you will have the same situation where the FBI or CIA knock on your door in the middle of the night. I have seen it and friends of mine (international students) actually got kicked out of the country during college years because they were protesting against desert war 2
I say it again US government is waaaaay better of what we have in the middle east. However, US goverment gives a rat about human rights violation in the middle east. And those statemtns by US officials after or before turmoil in Lybia, Syria or Iran is not about democracy, it is about sending troops, bombing villiages, making sure that after the regime is down they get a part of the cake with having again a fucked up government see Iraq or Egypt
I say it again US government is waaaaay better of what we have in the middle east. However, US goverment gives a rat about human rights violation in the middle east. And those statemtns by US officials after or before turmoil in Lybia, Syria or Iran is not about democracy, it is about sending troops, bombing villiages, making sure that after the regime is down they get a part of the cake with having again a fucked up government see Iraq or Egypt
lol. i love how condescending you are.
in reply to the original poster, you got way too defensive. it's like a gay closeted person who gets way too defensive when ppl call him gay, because if he wasn't gay, he wouldn't give a flying fuck what ppl say about him.
your comment in reply to the original post sounded way too defensive (read it again), thus my reply.
in reply to the original poster, you got way too defensive. it's like a gay closeted person who gets way too defensive when ppl call him gay, because if he wasn't gay, he wouldn't give a flying fuck what ppl say about him.
your comment in reply to the original post sounded way too defensive (read it again), thus my reply.
obviously the US is not the same as Iran or other authoritarian societies. but it's also not as free as you would like to believe it is.
have you read National Defense Authorization Act 2012?
Section 1021 and 1022 have been called a violation of constitutional principles and of the Bill of Rights. you know why? because the legislation allows indefinite detention without trial of American terrorism suspects arrested on US soil who could then be shipped to Guantanamo Bay.
They can come to your door, arrest you, give you no chance of trial, they dont have to prove to anyone why they think you are a terrorist, and hold you indefinitely
I dare anyone to defend the legislation above and then talk about freedom with a straight face at the same time.
have you read National Defense Authorization Act 2012?
Section 1021 and 1022 have been called a violation of constitutional principles and of the Bill of Rights. you know why? because the legislation allows indefinite detention without trial of American terrorism suspects arrested on US soil who could then be shipped to Guantanamo Bay.
They can come to your door, arrest you, give you no chance of trial, they dont have to prove to anyone why they think you are a terrorist, and hold you indefinitely
I dare anyone to defend the legislation above and then talk about freedom with a straight face at the same time.
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