I think its more like 10 people abusing the welfare system for every 1 person in need. The unemployment has to do more with a flawed educational system and people's expectations. I put an ad in Craigs list a couple of months ago for an assistant and I got about 300 resumes. Over half of them have BS degrees and a few with MS degrees. Honestly I was surprised about the demand as the salary is $13 per hour and no benefits. I haven't even called any of them yet. I am waiting for early next year. The unemployment picture is worse than what most people think
See, you are one of those evil people who keep the unemployment rate up..
Of course you would think it's all bullshit
Of course a know-nothing halfwit would think perspective is useless and culture is irrelevant. Never mind that as usual you go on to argue against yourself:
aehm..ok..anyway, nice to see you emotionally railed up and losing it. I really appreciate it that an internet forum can make you lose it that easily and turn to your emotional Iranian self. However, nothing you said is of any value or makes any sense. Everything you have said is either urban legend or has been proven wrong scientifically and except for people far on the right, who don't believe in that kind of stuff, no one else actually believes in all of that. But let's go step by step...
So according to your typically moronic reasoning, the Indian or Vietnamese poor people don't commit as much violent crime and actually do stick around to raise their kids not because of their culture but because they have better "attitudes"
That's your point, right badbakht? If you even have a point at all?....
your culture argument doesn't exist and is rubbish. Indians also abandon or cripple their kids in India(ever been to Mumbai? No? at least watch slumdog millionaire) and make them go begging. As far as Vietnamese and Asians in general is concerned, please, there are enough cases for Asian gang violence, them involved in drugs and what not that you could just do a simple google search to get informed. It gets back to the point of people who generalize being idiots, and you seem to like to generalize a lot. You are a product of your environment, upbringing, society you live in, education you get and what 100 other factors that have nothing to do with your race or what your parents or greatparents did. You can take a black kid growing up with only one parent, put him to a half decent school in his neighborhood, teach him chess instead of hustling, and it's pretty damn sure a bet that he will succeed in life. In fact, they are already.
The one Indian that makes a trip around the world to raise his kid in America can not be compared to the Indian who goes begging in the streets of Bombay and has his kid crippled, just as the black family father who drives 1.5 hours to work and has 2 jobs to feed his family can not be compared to the street corner hustler with 4 kids from 3 women. However, they both usually grow up in the same neighborhood. What in Fucks name attitude has to do with culture, is really something exclusive to you and some other wingnuts, but I guess it really hit you hard.
Genius, what do you think shapes people's general attitudes? Is it not the norms and values they are surrounded with while growing up? Doesn't a large part of that come from their subculture? Even the type of households they grow up in are a function of that: That's why the Asian poor live in predominantly two-parent households while the American poor are the exact opposite.
And the British poor usually don't live in two-parent households either, neither the German poor, nor the Dutch poor, nor most poor people around the world. That's because in the western society it's considered a rather normal thing. It's however a different task for an Asian immigrant woman in a foreign country to get a divorce, no matter how abusive her husband is. Just as, as an example, black families who are Jehova's witnesses usually live together and don't get divorced. So again, whatever point you try to prove with two-parent households, aehm..good for you. It's pretty much rubbish.
But to get back to your rants and "arguments", they would make some sense if, and only if, blacks in the US were the people on earth, who were deadbeat fathers, would abandon their kids and what not. But that's not the case. It's a global phenomena among all different cultures around the (western) world. The significant difference between blacks in the US and their peers in Europe however is related to access to guns and drugs. However, there are ways to break that cycle, one of them being education at school level, which is proven to work very well. The second would be tighter control on guns. Third would be better means of transport in inner cities as transport is key for having a job. Fourth would be jail sentences that make actually sense, and not putting 16 year old kids to jail for years for first drug offenses. Here we go back to a key factor in deadbeat fathers, drugs and violence and what not. You see, when the sentencing disparity between crack, the drug of choice in poor neighborhoods in the 80ies, and cocaine, the drug of choice in rich neighborhoods in the 80ies, was and still is 100 to 1(though Obama changed it to 10 to 1 if I'm not wrong), you have a whole generation of young adults getting in and out of jail and getting involved in the jail system. Now obviously, drug dealing should not be considered a good activity and you may blame them for dealing drugs in the first place, but for whatever reason, in some parts of the United States it's still a business and you get easily into it, sometimes for not knowing better. So there's a good chance a different way of drug enforcement would be helpful and again, there's evidence that there is and scientific research actually points to that too (I suggest that you google Levitt or just google war on drugs, crack epidemic, african americans effects or something along the lines of).
Further, to get to your point about liberals and what not being at fault for not telling the truth...ok, will you accept the truth that the drug laws and the bullshit war on drugs in the 80ies is responsible for the problems too? will you accept that underfunding public schools, specially in inner city areas, is responsible for the problems too? will you accept that Iran-Contra and the flodding of the United States with cocaine from Nicaragua, going in hand in hand with lax border control due to no funds for border patrol in the 80ies, are responsible for the problems? If you are willing to accept that, and put the blame on the people responsible for the problems, mainly white conservatives, we can talk about the responsibility of blacks and liberals. Those laws and policies however did more of their share than anything else and the correction put in place by Clinton and also policies by Bloomberg in New York have proven to be successful to a degree.
People who grow up in cultures where being a father is admired and leaving your kids is looked down upon are less likely to walk out on their children. People who grow up in cultures where education is valued and encouraged tend to stick with school. People who grow up in cultures where violence is viewed as barbaric and not as a sign of 'manhood' are less likely to engage in senseless aggression. And cultures that instill the above values are more likely to produce educated productive adults who won't need to rely on welfare and other government programs.
Great.....so aehm, let's get back to the UK. Pakistanis from middle class families usually tend to do ok, working class Pakistani's however terrible. Young Bangladeshis however outperform Pakistanis by far, especially among girls, while Bangladeshis in general have the highest rate of unemployment in the UK. All come from two-parent households and all come from a culture that glorifies manhood and violence. Why are there differences in achievements? Is it the culture or the society they grow up in? Nevermind that, how do you explain the Hooligan violence in the 80ies?
Same thing applies for blacks, whites, asians, turks in Germany, indians and what not...once you understand that culture is more defined by where and how you grow up, the institutions surrounding you, who the people you look up to are, what kind of education you get and what not, and not your race or whatever culture of your ancestors, you have made a huge step to becoming an actual human being. Until then, you are the guy on ISP subscribed to Adam Carolla on iTunes.
Now if you can't get this on your own, you're stupid. If you can't get this even after it's been explained to you, you're practically retarded
Get lost for now.
You mean your bullshit argument above based on no evidence, scientific research and what not, but based on what your rectum tells you? Yeah aehm, I try to keep the perspective.