Which part is Islamic? The high interest rates? What part of IR's economics are Islamic? Seriously, be specific.
I know many people are frustrated with this murderous regime, but to call something Islamic - when in fact it has little to no traces of Islam in it except the discourse/ language used - doesn't get at the root of the problem in our culture. And if we don't learn the root of our problems, then we will repeat the mistakes.
I know many people are frustrated with this murderous regime, but to call something Islamic - when in fact it has little to no traces of Islam in it except the discourse/ language used - doesn't get at the root of the problem in our culture. And if we don't learn the root of our problems, then we will repeat the mistakes.
It’s an Islamic trait to lie and blame the problems elsewhere and divert attention from what’s causing the problems. Its Islamic economics when a bunch of mozdoors come out in force trying to shut down businesses or force them to be open to artificially stop some event from happening. Islamic economics is an economy of force, lies, bribery, and many other unethical actions. Its Islamic economy when a mullah makes a decree that owning gold or Dollars are not Islamic. Is that so hard to understand??? When you have actually believing and following what some idiots like that indicate then it sure is an Islamic economy. It may not be 100% as many factors contribute to the events but it sure does play a role. When you have a bunch of Islamist that want to fight the whole world and cause all sorts of problems its Islamic economics. You should look at the reasons behind the downfall and what has caused it to happen. The main Islamic economics started with Muhammad robbing and killing people and looting their goods and it’s still continuing in our nation and many others.
I don't think the value of rial vs dollar will go back to where it was a few months ago any time soon. But I think this volatility and continued devaluation of rial will be long lasting. There is a threshold that the military establishment, namely Sepah, will step in either by coup or per blessing by the regime as a whole and will push back both domestically and at international sanctions (by either threat of war or actual physical confrontation) in order to counter this threat. The American strategists already know this and have warned the current US administration that while they support sanctions they do not recommend pushing it too far to the point of putting the regime's back against the wall where they will be forced to start a confrontation because then such a scenario will defy the whole purpose of the sanctions which is to try to avoid a war and military confrontation which the US doesn't want at this time.
IR has plenty of dollar in its reserve to quench the domestic demand for dollar. Like I said before, the fact that they aren't doing that at this point is mostly due to internal political issues and considerations.
BTW, those who blame this on "Islam" are idiots and completely ignorant about economics. FYI, this is the fruit of modern economics and capitalism. Central banks, currency trade, high interest rates and usury are exactly the opposite of Islamic and other religious teachings. You think Greece, Spain, Italy and all the other Europeans and even US citizens who are going bankrupt more and more have been following the teachings of Muhammad and Quran? If you think they did then you're an idiot and if you don't think they did then you're an idiot for attributing Iran's economic problems to Islam.
Had IR actually implemented true Islamic laws and modified its banking system from ground up instead of merely emulating the West it may not have found itself in the current predicament it is now. But all the "economists" in charge in Iran before and after revolution have learned the economic theories from the Western scholars and then people wonder why the student isn't able to beat the master in his own game?! LOL
IR has plenty of dollar in its reserve to quench the domestic demand for dollar. Like I said before, the fact that they aren't doing that at this point is mostly due to internal political issues and considerations.
BTW, those who blame this on "Islam" are idiots and completely ignorant about economics. FYI, this is the fruit of modern economics and capitalism. Central banks, currency trade, high interest rates and usury are exactly the opposite of Islamic and other religious teachings. You think Greece, Spain, Italy and all the other Europeans and even US citizens who are going bankrupt more and more have been following the teachings of Muhammad and Quran? If you think they did then you're an idiot and if you don't think they did then you're an idiot for attributing Iran's economic problems to Islam.
Had IR actually implemented true Islamic laws and modified its banking system from ground up instead of merely emulating the West it may not have found itself in the current predicament it is now. But all the "economists" in charge in Iran before and after revolution have learned the economic theories from the Western scholars and then people wonder why the student isn't able to beat the master in his own game?! LOL
You are delusional. You are telling us that Sepah can fix the economy by force, intimidation and threats? Isn't this how we got here? Which other country the military took it upon itself to "handle the market", as you put it? Your last point is a doozy. If Europe doesn't by oil from them, they are going to war with them. Is that their version of customer service?
I am glad that you have clearly stated this. IR's economic model is purely anti-Islamic. Much like their outlook on economics, all other facets of their way of conduct and sociopolitical life is also anti-Islamic and counter. But the enraged extremists (secular) side just eat up their use of Islamic language that the IR uses and say "this is Islam, this is Islam." These fools will hold back Iran just like IR with their extremism and anger.
Wake up! Shia'ism is Talmudic Judaism with Islamic language/ discourse - and their geopolitical reactions and strategies in the region have only reinforced Israel and IR's survival, side by side.
Wake up! Shia'ism is Talmudic Judaism with Islamic language/ discourse - and their geopolitical reactions and strategies in the region have only reinforced Israel and IR's survival, side by side.
So basically you are blaming IR's mismanagement of the economy on the West!!! LOL
There is no comparison whatsoever between what led to the economic collapse in Greece to what is happening in Iran under IR.
I really don't want to waste my time trying to enlighten someone who makes such a stupid comparison as you just did. But for what it's worth, Greece is a very deeply social state and the reason they went bust is because for years they lived beyond their means. Iran is an oil rich country that has far more export and potential than Greece. Anyway....as I say, there is no point.
There is no comparison whatsoever between what led to the economic collapse in Greece to what is happening in Iran under IR.
I really don't want to waste my time trying to enlighten someone who makes such a stupid comparison as you just did. But for what it's worth, Greece is a very deeply social state and the reason they went bust is because for years they lived beyond their means. Iran is an oil rich country that has far more export and potential than Greece. Anyway....as I say, there is no point.
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"I can make more money in Afghanistan"...
been shittin on us for long but it's time to pee now...
"I can make more money in Afghanistan"...
been shittin on us for long but it's time to pee now...
the Greece argument is such a bullshit argument anyway...I mean, wtf has the one to do with the other? greece spent too much money, had ridiculous plans for olympics, they gave up their own currency for what is now a currency tied to the well being of Germany...I mean...seriously...it's...what does one thing have to do with the other?
Yes, my point was that Greece's problems have many reasons and they can not in any way be compared to IR. They can't even be related to the recent economic recession that started in much of Western world because it's far older and deeper than that.
I find it ridiculous that Oshtor sees IR's economic problems in the same context.
I find it ridiculous that Oshtor sees IR's economic problems in the same context.
Yes, my point was that Greece's problems have many reasons and they can not in any way be compared to IR. They can't even be related to the recent economic recession that started in much of Western world because it's far older and deeper than that.
I find it ridiculous that Oshtor sees IR's economic problems in the same context.
I find it ridiculous that Oshtor sees IR's economic problems in the same context.
Fix the economy? No. Stabilize the currency market? Very likely.
You think international business is based on customer service instead of political considerations, personal interests, briberies, force, threats, and intimidation? Who's delusional here?
My point is that if EU tries to put too much political pressure on IR using economic means then at some point IR will have the option and may be forced to put economic pressure on EU in order to change their political decision. Iran's strongest leverage but likely its last option would be to raise the cost of energy so high to the point of collapsing EU's already fragile economy. IR can do this, and will likely do this if it sees no way out, by using force in the Persian Gulf to raise the price of oil. And of course at that point EU and US will be forced to use military force as well to secure their own survival which essentially means war which in turn defies the whole point of sanctions in order to avoid military conflict. Of course before any of this happens they will be talking to each other and trying to make a deal over and or under the table. That is why I don't think this trend is going to be long lasting and why I don't think neither EU nor US will be willing to push IR to the point of collapse.
You think international business is based on customer service instead of political considerations, personal interests, briberies, force, threats, and intimidation? Who's delusional here?
My point is that if EU tries to put too much political pressure on IR using economic means then at some point IR will have the option and may be forced to put economic pressure on EU in order to change their political decision. Iran's strongest leverage but likely its last option would be to raise the cost of energy so high to the point of collapsing EU's already fragile economy. IR can do this, and will likely do this if it sees no way out, by using force in the Persian Gulf to raise the price of oil. And of course at that point EU and US will be forced to use military force as well to secure their own survival which essentially means war which in turn defies the whole point of sanctions in order to avoid military conflict. Of course before any of this happens they will be talking to each other and trying to make a deal over and or under the table. That is why I don't think this trend is going to be long lasting and why I don't think neither EU nor US will be willing to push IR to the point of collapse.
No I'm not blaming their mismanagement on the West. I'm saying that even with the best of management a third world country with limited economic, political, and military resources can not expect any different outcome when it tries to adopt capitalism and play by their economic rules. Iran's case is not much different than a small business going under as the result of a big company trying to monopolize the market. Part of it may be mismanagement of the smaller company but a good chunk of it would simply be the nature of the capitalist economy especially if it's not regulated by a higher and stronger force. On the national level this may be regulated by the federal governments but on the international level it's not.
You're right there is no comparison. Because Iran's economic problems are the fault of Islam while Greece's economic problems are due to the other stuff you mentioned.
You're right there is no comparison. Because Iran's economic problems are the fault of Islam while Greece's economic problems are due to the other stuff you mentioned.
IR can disrupt the flow of oil through the Persian Gulf, it can also cause instability in the countries surrounding Persian Gulf via their domestic Shiite population, it may conduct acts of sabotage against the oil facilities of the surrounding countries, and as last resort can directly attack their oil facilities (like Saddam did against Kuwait but in a much larger scale). All of these measures or even hints of them of by IR will cause uncertainty and volatility in the energy market.
US, and frankly the world, are is itching for Iran to do any one of the stupid things you suggest they should do. You are banking too much on Iran's ability to disrupt oil shipments out of the Persian Gulf by raising insurance rates. They tried that in the Iran-Iraq war and failed at it miserably. Kuwaiti tankers were simply reflagged and then escorted by the US Navy. This time, others will join too. Now let's see how Sepah's "navy" in their inflatable boats are going to stop them.
You must be either blind or illiterate because you are attributing comments to me that I never made. You say: "stupid things you suggest they should do". When or where did I say "they should do" these things? There is a big difference between suggesting they COULD and they SHOULD. Like I said, you must be either blind or illiterate not to understand the difference.
Also, in Iran-Iraq war Iran was avoiding US-flagged ships because it didn't want to draw US in to the conflict. In this current case however, should things deteriorate to the point of military conflict it would be directly between Iran and the strongest power in the world; namely US, and thus there will be no point in sparing the smaller powers.
Also, in Iran-Iraq war Iran was avoiding US-flagged ships because it didn't want to draw US in to the conflict. In this current case however, should things deteriorate to the point of military conflict it would be directly between Iran and the strongest power in the world; namely US, and thus there will be no point in sparing the smaller powers.
As much as I'm against blaming our problems on this and that, be it the English, the Americans, the Russians or Islam, and as much of a stretch as it may seem to blame IR's economic policies on Islam as you've pointed out, you have to agree that with the regime's Islamic platform, most of those who rise to the top are those with hard core Islamic values or at least those who can pretend they have those values.
So, even though individual economic policies are NOt taken straight out of the pages of the Quran, as I'm sure you're pointing out, the people who decide and influence economic policies re obcessed with the pages of the Quran. In other words, we don't have the best people for these jobs staying in the country, let alone rising to the top to the point where they can decide on or influence policy decisions. And this is not only in economics, but in every other field as well, be it foreign policy, domestic and social policies, sports, etc.
It would be real hard to argue that "Islam" is not hindering Iran's development at this point, even if one makes the argument that it's not really Islam, but a particular interprettion of it that is leading to our demise. It's equally harmful to ignore that fact as it is to blame all our problems on it IMHO.
So, even though individual economic policies are NOt taken straight out of the pages of the Quran, as I'm sure you're pointing out, the people who decide and influence economic policies re obcessed with the pages of the Quran. In other words, we don't have the best people for these jobs staying in the country, let alone rising to the top to the point where they can decide on or influence policy decisions. And this is not only in economics, but in every other field as well, be it foreign policy, domestic and social policies, sports, etc.
It would be real hard to argue that "Islam" is not hindering Iran's development at this point, even if one makes the argument that it's not really Islam, but a particular interprettion of it that is leading to our demise. It's equally harmful to ignore that fact as it is to blame all our problems on it IMHO.