سخنان بی سر و ته جلیلی

[SirAlex]

رایس: سخنان بی سر و ته جلیلی همگان را در مذاکره عصبانی کرده بود

ارسال کننده: IranNewsAgency on July 21,2008

سایت خبری ایران: کاندوليزا رايس وزير امور خارجه آمريکا ايران را به جدي نبودن در مذاکرات پايان هفته در ژنو متهم کرد.

به گزارش سرويس بین الملل سایت خبری ایران(www.IranNewsAgency.com)، رايس در نخستين واکنش علني خود به نشست شنبه در سوييس گفت : هيات ايراني با پاسخ هاي خود ، نماينده آمريکا و پنج کشور حاضر در اين مذاکرات را از سر خود باز کرد.

رايس گفت : آمريکا و پنج کشور ديگر درباره ضرب الاجلي دو هفته اي به ايران جدي هستند . ايران نيز مجبور است با توقف فعاليت هاي هسته اي خود موافق کند و مذاکرات را آغاز کند يا در انتظار تحريم هاي جديد باشد.

رايس گفت : سعيد جليلي مذاکره کننده ارشد هسته اي ايران در مذاکرات ژنو سخناني طولاني و بي سر و ته درباره فرهنگ ايراد کرد که به نظر مي رسيد بسيار از افراد حاضر در سر ميز مذاکراه را عصباني کرد.

رايس سوار بر هواپيمايي به مقصد امارات عربي متحده بود در مصاحبه با خبرنگاران گفت : انتظار داشتيم پاسخي از سوي نماينده ايران دريافت کنيم اما همانطور که بارها نيز شاهد بوده ايم آنچه ايرانيان در اين مذاکرات مطرح کردند جدي نبود.

رايس گفت : ايرانيان نمي توانند در مذاکرات حاضر بشوند و درباره فرهنگ گپ بزنند و اختلاط کنند ، آنها مجبور هستند که تصميم بگيرند ، مردم از ايراني ها و تاکتيک هاي آنها خسته شده اند.

رايس گفت تماس ميان آمريکا و ايران به ندرت اتفاق مي افتد و حضور برنز در اين مذاکرات مي تواند ايرانيان را گيج کرده باشد.

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[Bi-honar]

Sweet baby Jesus, Condi's one ugly mo-fo! I'd take Maadare Foolad Zereh over her any day!

 

[Iranpaak]

I could have gussed that Saeed Jalili would not have made any commitment as he did not have authority to make any binding commitment at such an important meeting. I think even his boss (Mottaki) or his boss' boss (Ahmadinejad) do not have authority to make an such important commitment or promise. Such authority rest with KhAmanie. My thought is that he took the messages with him to go back consult, digest and formulate a response.
And most important of all, get approval from KhAmanie to whatever response he is going present in about two weeks.
I think that what he was saying that the diplomacy is a fine art similar to weaving a Persian carpet with a beautiful final product (or something like that).

Does anybody have the text of what JAlali actually said in that meeting?

 

[Motori]

Sweet baby Jesus, Condi's one ugly mo-fo! I'd take Maadare Foolad Zereh over her any day!

Behrou jAn,
Remember I said I'm not so optimistic for positive result out of Saturday Negotiations? Here we are.

BTW: Koondeh Leeseh Rice is Maadar e Foolaad zereh.

 

[Flint]

Such authority rest with KhAmanie.

Then why doesn't Khamenei haul his sorry ass himself to the negotiating table and stop wasting everybody's time? Someone could have been copied this news from 2005 and no one would know. Funny part is everyone around that table know what the game is, buying time, and still go through the charade.

 

[SirAlex]

واکنش عصبی رایس: حرف های جلیلی بی سر و ته بود!/ ژنو، محل اختلاط در مورد فرهنگ ایرانی نیست/ خسته شدیم!

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[FONT=Tahoma, Arial, Verdana] خبرگزاري انتخاب : رایس در واکنش به اظهارات جلیلی در مورد «مقایسه نوع مذاکرات هیات ایرانی با فرهنگ و فرش ایرانی»، گفت: ايرانيان نمي توانند در مذاکرات حاضر شوند و درباره فرهنگ گپ بزنند و اختلاط کنند ، آنها مجبور هستند که تصميم بگيرند مردم از ايراني ها و تاکتيک هاي آنها خسته اند.[/FONT]

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۳۱ تیر ماه ۱۳۸۷ ساعت : ۱۵ , ۱۵
خبرگزاري انتخاب :
کاندوليزا رايس وزير امور خارجه آمريکا ، سخنان جلیلی دبیر شورای عالی امنیت ملی ایران در نشست ژنو را «بی سر و ته» توصیف کرد و گفت: هيات ايراني با پاسخ هاي خود ، نماينده آمريکا و پنج کشور حاضر در اين مذاکرات را از سر خود باز کرد و باعث عصبانیت آنان شد.

به گزارش سرویس بین الملل خبرگزاری «انتخاب»، رایس در واکنش به اظهارات جلیلی در مورد «مقایسه نوع مذاکرات هیات ایرانی با فرهنگ و فرش ایرانی»، گفت: ايرانيان نمي توانند در مذاکرات حاضر شوند و درباره فرهنگ گپ بزنند و اختلاط کنند ، آنها مجبور هستند که تصميم بگيرند مردم از ايراني ها و تاکتيک هاي آنها خسته اند.

وزیر امور خارجه آمریکا با بیان اینکه روش دیپلماتیک کشورش در برابر ایران شامل دو گزینه گفتگو و افزایش تحریم است،در عین حال ادعا کرد که تهران فقط دو هفته زمان دارد تا به زعم خود، به طور جدی پاسخ جامعه بین المللی درباره توقف برنامه غنی سازی خود را بدهد.

به گزارش خبرگزاری فرانسه، کاندولیزا رایس که در جمع خبرنگاران همراه با وی عازم به خاورمیانه سخن می گفت، در ادامه ادعا کرد: ایران دو هفته زمان دارد برای اینکه یا پاسخ روشنی به ما بدهد و یا اینکه با اقدامات تنبیهی بیشتری روبرو شود

وزیر امور خارجه آمریکا در ادامه اظهارات خود گفت : نشست روز شنبه ژنو یک پیام بسیار قوی به ایران مخابره کرد و آن اینکه تهران نمی تواند این مسئله را به تاخیر بیندازد، بلکه باید آنها هر چه سریعتر تصمیم بگیرند. این طرح تصمیم ایران را آشکار می کند و ما در مدت دو هفته خواهیم دید که تهران چه اقدامی را انجام می دهد. اما با این وجود من فکر می کنم که روند دیپلماتیک جدیدی که در پرونده هسته ای ایران به کار گرفته شده، انرژی جدیدی را وارد آن کرده است.

رایس در ادامه با اشاره به اقدام شورای امنیت سازمان ملل متحد در تصویب سه قطعنامه علیه ایران امکان وقوع هر گونه "اقدام قریب الوقوعی" را تا ماه آگوست منتفی دانست، اما احتمال افزایش فشارها بر ایران یا به قول خود اقدامات تنبیهی بیشتر علیه تهران را محتمل ارزیابی کرد.

رایس در پایان احتمال به کارگیری اقدامات یکجانبه واشنگتن علیه تهران با هدف انزوای بیشتر موسسه های مالی ایران را نیز محتمل دانست و گفت : روش دیپلماتیک ما در برابر ایران شامل دو گزینه است : اول مذاکره که ما تمایل زیادی برای انجام این مذاکرات داریم و دیگری احتمال به کارگیری اقدامات تنبیهی است که اگر ایران به خواسته جامعه جهانی پاسخ نگوید؛ ما به احتمال زیاد این اقدام را انجام خواهیم داد.

رایس همچنین حضور ویلیام برنز در نشست روز شنبه ژنو را عاملی بر افزایش قدرت دیپلماسی موجود در این مذاکرات دانست.
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[Iranpaak]

Then why doesn't Khamenei haul his sorry ass himself to the negotiating table and stop wasting everybody's time?

You can send him an email and ask him this question. Khamenei's email is:
ali@beytrahbari.ir

 

[hasan_agha]

What did she expect?

For Jalili to come and say "Please don't beat us up. We'll stop immediately. Just give us time to pack up our BEEL o KOLANG. Thank you. Come again"??

 

[Flint]

What did she expect?

For Jalili to come and say "Please don't beat us up. We'll stop immediately. Just give us time to pack up our BEEL o KOLANG. Thank you. Come again"??

Why is he there then? What is he offering to do?

 

[R.BAGGIO]

mageh kasi az inha mitoone javabeh dorost hesabi begire


mellate Iran daran 30 saaleh migan aazaadi keh migoftin chi shod, eenha rajeh be esrail va saddam va sheytane bozorg baraye maa migan

 

[Bi-honar]

BTW: Koondeh Leeseh Rice is Maadar e Foolaad zereh.

LOL. Bichareh maadare foolad zereh.
Yeah, I wasn't too optimistic about the negotiations either Rasoul jaan. But I'm counting on your detailed analysis that at least it won't be followed up with an armed conflict. Keeping fingers crossed.

 

[eshghi]

روزگار است! گه عزّ ت دهد گه خوار دارد
چرخ بازیگراز این بازیچه ها بسیار دارد

این خانوم انگاری یادشون رفته که تو این هشت سال چه قدر ملت خودشون و دنیا رو سر کار گذاشتن! حالا ناله و شکایت که یکی دیگه ایشون رو سر کار گذاشته! حکومتهای ایران و آمریکا در ظاهر یک دنیا با هم متفاوتند ولی در بازی سیاست عین دو نصفهَ یه سیب. آدم نمیدونه بخنده یا گریه کنه​

 

[ashtar]

رايس گفت : ايرانيان نمي توانند در مذاکرات حاضر بشوند و درباره فرهنگ گپ بزنند و اختلاط کنند ​

I like to see the orginial English comment that has translated in to "گپ و اختلاط ". With this kind of translation I'm surprised they didn't report her name as: کونده لیسا

 

[Bi-honar]

I like to see the orginial English comment that has translated in to "گپ و اختلاط ". With this kind of translation I'm surprised they didn't report her name as: کونده لیسا

This is what she said: "It was also a very strong message to the Iranians that they can't go and stall and make small talk and talk about culture and that they have to make a decision."

as far as کونده لیسا, I actually wouldn't be surprised. I'm sure any position which involves looking at her face will be out of the question for most men!

 

[ashtar]

Does anybody have the text of what JAlali actually said in that meeting?

I don't have the text but I'm fairly certain it went something like this:

5+1: are you ready to suspend your nuclear program? yes or no?

Jalali:
In the name of God the most compassionate the most merciful.


36. Whatever ye are given (here) is (but) a convenience of this life: but that which is with Allah is better and more lasting: (it is) for those who believe and put their trust in their Lord:
37. Those who avoid the greater crimes and shameful deeds, and, when they are angry even then forgive;
38. Those who hearken to their Lord, and establish regular Prayer; who (conduct) their affairs by mutual Consultation; who spend out of what We bestow on them for Sustenance;
39. And those who, when an oppressive wrong is inflicted on them, (are not cowed but) help and defend themselves.
40. The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah. for ((Allah)) loveth not those who do wrong.
41. But indeed if any do help and defend themselves after a wrong (done) to them, against such there is no cause of blame.
42. The blame is only against those who oppress men and wrong-doing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice: for such there will be a penalty grievous.
43. But indeed if any show patience and forgive, that would truly be an exercise of courageous will and resolution in the conduct of affairs.

Indeed the world is ready and thirsty for a new direction and policy based on justice and equality and the great nation of Iran, god willing with the leadership of imam Mahdi, is ready to lead the way towards a more just world and hopes that the 5+1 will join that path based on the common aspects of the recent proposals that were mentioned by Dr. Ahmadinejad and then more recently by Mr. Solano and agreed by both sides.

5+1: what?!! Was that a yes or no?
Jalali:
Of course Iran agrees on the need for building confidence by both sides and we think that the presence of the US in these meetings is a step forward in that direction. Iran with its glorious history and culture is ready to partner with the rest of the world leaders in helping rid the world of the current injustices and as our great leader recently mentioned the "suspension" is our red line.

5+1: #@$@$@$#!!!

 

[Bi-honar]

42. The blame is only against those who oppress men and wrong-doing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice: for such there will be a penalty grievous.

LMAO. And that boys and girls is the dictionary definition of irony. But have no doubt doktor jaan that the penalty will be grievous.
:hau:

 

[Fole_Penalt]

I don't have the text but I'm fairly certain it went something like this:

5+1: are you ready to suspend your nuclear program? yes or no?

Jalali:
In the name of God the most compassionate the most merciful.


36. Whatever ye are given (here) is (but) a convenience of this life: but that which is with Allah is better and more lasting: (it is) for those who believe and put their trust in their Lord:
37. Those who avoid the greater crimes and shameful deeds, and, when they are angry even then forgive;
38. Those who hearken to their Lord, and establish regular Prayer; who (conduct) their affairs by mutual Consultation; who spend out of what We bestow on them for Sustenance;
39. And those who, when an oppressive wrong is inflicted on them, (are not cowed but) help and defend themselves.
40. The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah. for ((Allah)) loveth not those who do wrong.
41. But indeed if any do help and defend themselves after a wrong (done) to them, against such there is no cause of blame.
42. The blame is only against those who oppress men and wrong-doing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice: for such there will be a penalty grievous.
43. But indeed if any show patience and forgive, that would truly be an exercise of courageous will and resolution in the conduct of affairs.

Indeed the world is ready and thirsty for a new direction and policy based on justice and equality and the great nation of Iran, god willing with the leadership of imam Mahdi, is ready to lead the way towards a more just world and hopes that the 5+1 will join that path based on the common aspects of the recent proposals that were mentioned by Dr. Ahmadinejad and then more recently by Mr. Solano and agreed by both sides.

5+1: what?!! Was that a yes or no?
Jalali:
Of course Iran agrees on the need for building confidence by both sides and we think that the presence of the US in these meetings is a step forward in that direction. Iran with its glorious history and culture is ready to partner with the rest of the world leaders in helping rid the world of the current injustices and as our great leader recently mentioned the "suspension" is our red line.

5+1: #@$@$@$#!!!

Do you believe what is in red yourself?

That Mahdi is leading some people in the world in secret?

 

[LastManStand]

ا این بیریخته عجوزه راییس هنوز این مللاهارو نشناخته، هههههههه
این مللاها دهنشو اسفالت میکنن تا یک بله بگند

as far as کونده لیسا, I actually wouldn't be surprised. I'm sure any position which involves looking at her face will be out of the question for most men!

بی هنر جان، اگر این مللاها ایکه ما میشناسیم از این عجوزه هم نمیگزرند

 

[Bi-honar]

ا
بی هنر جان، اگر این مللاها ایکه ما میشناسیم از این عجوزه هم نمیگزرند

No doubt LMS jaan. That's why maghna'e was invented in the first place.

 

[Fole_Penalt]

Looks like Motori was right in his assessment that even with the addition of the US to the negotiating table these talks will not go anywhere. It is quite clear that the Iranian negotiators have been sent as clowns with zero authority and with directions to just tell some stories and stall.

We will shortly see if he is also right that in less than two weeks when these talks also fail then the US will seriously escalate its efforts to topple the regime.