شیعه اثنا عشری ایرانی چیست؟

[Chinaski]

ما در اینجا و در گذشته به وفور در مورد اسلام صحبت کردیم, من خودم در مورد ریشه اسلام و سنت و تشیع و کلی چیز نوشتم و همچنین در مورد تفاوت بین شیعه او سنی و اینکه حتی این وسط ما ایرونی ها گیر بد ترین نوع اسلام شدیم. ولی در مورد یک مطلب صحبت نشده و این است که چرا و به چه علت شیعه اثنا عشری (۱۲ امامی) در ایران به این اندازه کثافت بوده, بائس کشتار و بدبختی و انزواء جامعه ایران شده, و چرا به این صورت تاریخش خشن بوده. خلاصه اینکه چرا حتی میون شیعه های ۱۲ امامی هم فرق وجود داره و چرا باز ما ایرانی ها گیر بدترین نوع شیعه ۱۲ امامی افتادیم. این دلیل داره. من بعد از خوندن کتاب های متعدد به یک نکته جالب برخوردم و اون اینکه همین شیعه اثنا عشری در کشوری مثل لبنان طور دیگری با مردم برخورد میکنه تا در ایران. همین ملا شیعه در جنوب لبنان با مردم خیلی نرم تره, در جوار مسیحی های لبنان زندگی کرده و همزیستی رو یاد گرفته. امروز تو همون لبنان اکثریت مسیحی ها مشکلی با شیعه ها ندارن, اکثریت اونها مشکلی هم با حزبالله و حسن نصر الله ندارند, چون شیعیان لبنان حتی حسن نصر الله رو مدافع وطن میدونن و شیعیان لبنان هم در بسیاری از مواقع به یاری مسیحیان اون کشور شتافته. همین حسن نصر الله رو میبینید؟ این ملا شیعه لبنانی بر تمام ملایان شیعه ایران برتری داره. هم از نظر هوش و ذکاوت و هم از نظر سیاسی. این آدم هنوز هم تو همه حرف هاش صحبت از وطن میزنه, یعنی برای این آدم هنوز وطن وجود داره , جنگ برای وطن در الویته در صورتی که ملا شیعه ایرانی یک ایران ستیزی خاصی در وجودش هست که قابل توصیف نیست. مادر قحبه ها همشون دم از امت اسلام میزنن, یک سریشون به زبون فارسی توهین میکنن, خمینی میگفت ملت ایران اصلا وجود نداره ,همه امت اسلام هستیم. دوستان ما داستانمون خیلی گریه اوره.

دلیل بدبختی ما ایرونی ها بر میگرده به دوران ترکان قزلباش یعنی همون صفوی ها که خیلی ها از روی بیسوادی کامل بهشون مینازن. جریان برمیگرده به شام و شیعیان شام (سوریه). در دوران قبل ازاشغال ایران به دست ترکان صفوی و در دوران صفوی, طوایف مختلفی از اعراب شیعه در شمال سوریه زندگی میکردند و در اون زمان هم در اقلیت بودند. اینها در زمان ابن تیمیه مورد سرکوب این سنی تکفیری قرار میگیرند که واقعا مثل تکفیری های امروز اینها رو تارو مار میکرد, میسوزوند و سر میبرید. البته این شیعیان رافضی بودند. در زمانی که مغول ها به سوریه حمله میکنند این سنی های حنبلی با یک جهاد بزرگ موفق میشن مغول ها رو شکست بدن و در این میان شیعیان متهم به کمک کردن به مغول ها میشند که البته دلایلشون موجه بوده, ولی وقتی مغول ها شکست میخورن عرسه به روی این شیعیان بیش از پیش تنگ میشه و وادار به فرار میشن. این شیعیان فراری, تنها جایی که میتونستند برن مناطق کوهستانی جنوب لبنان بوده که بهشون میگفتن جبل عامل که مسیحی نشین بوده. اینها با توجه به تجاربی که کسب کرده بودند, در اون منطقه تبدیل به شیعه های ۱۲ امامی و یک فرقه بسیار سنی ستیزی میشن و از همون جا بدبختی ایران هم شروع میشه. با اشغال وحشیانه ایران به دست ترکان قزلباش و شیعه, خبر سنی کشی عمومی در ایران به گوش این شیعیان جبل عامل میرسه و فقها و ملایان اینها از روی عقده ای که از سنی ها جمع کرده بودند خودشون رو به ایران میرسونن و وارد دستگاه صفویان میشن و ترکان صفوی اینها رو به حد خدا بالا میبرن. حالا این وسط شما فکرشو بکنید, مردم ایران که یواش یواش بعد از سلطه اعراب دوباره سر بلند کرده بودند از یک طرف به دست ترکان صفوی گله گله قتل عام میشدند, پوستشون رو میکندند, بچه هاشون رو در آب جوش مینداختن, به دست آدم خوران صفوی زنده زنده خورده میشدند, و از یک طرف یک مشت ملا لبنانی پر از عقده و بدون اینکه اصلا یک کلمه فارسی صحبت کنند بر این مردم ولایت میکردند. این ملایان که بزرگترینشون شیخ علی ابن عبدالعلی کرکی بود, چنان نفوذی در دستگاه صفوی پیدا کردند, چنان مورد حمایت مدنی و مالی شاهان صفوی قرار گرفتند که در کوتاه مدت تبدیل به ثروتمند ترین انسان های کشور شدند و حرفشون از حرف شاه های صفوی ارزشش بیشتر شده بود, درگاه ها و خانقاه هایی که برای اینها ساختن افسانه ای بود و مردم ایران به دستور این ملا های لبنانی بیش از پیش کشتار میشدند چون فتوا های اینها برای صفویان دستور بود و اینها هیچ گونه رحم و مرحمتی با این مردم نداشتن چون بیگانه بودند. از همینجا اصلا واژه روحانی و یا آیت الله به وجود اومد. کلمه روحانی کلمه ای هست در برابر جسمانی. یعنی آسمانی و متمایز از خاکیان. قبل از این چنین واژه ای در اسلام وجود نداشته و نداره. روحانی و آیت الله مخصوص کلیسا و فرهنگ مسیحی بودن ولی در اسلام وجود نداشتند. این واژه رو همین ملا های شیعه جبل عامل از جنوب لبنان با خودشون به ایران آوردند و اونها این رو از مسیحیانی که باهاشون در لبنان همسایه بودند یاد گرفته بودند. آیت الله یعنی نشانه الله. در هیچ مقطع زمانی قبل از صفوی در اسلام به کسی آیت الله و یا روحانی نمیگفتند. حتی به محمد هم آیت الله نمیگفتند چون اون رو جسمانی و نه روحانی حساب میکردند. این ملایان شیعه اومدند خودشون رو آسمانی یعنی روحانی کردند و به این صورت آیت الله هم شدند و شروع کردند بر مردم ولایت کردن و چون دیگه آیت الله (نشانه خدا) و روحانی بودند, مردم بدبخت ایران باید جلوی اینها سجده میکردند, دستشون رو میبوسیدن و پیشونیشون رو به پشت دست اینها میمالیدن. اینکار رو نکردن جرمش مرگ بود و فتوا داده شده بود.

این چکیده ای از بدبختی مردم ایران بود که در زمان صفوی واقعا به زور شمشیر غریبگان ترک به خاک و خون کشیده شدند, و بعد هم به برده های کت بسته و بی اختیار ملایان شیعه لبنانی تبدیل شدند و این شکستی بود که تا امروز گریبانگیر روحیه ایران و ایرانی است و منشاء بسیاری از کثافت هاایست که در وجود خیلی از ما ها دیده میشه.

 

[Chinaski]

اگه بخوایم دنبال ختم کلوم باشیم, باید گفت که واقیت پوست کنده این است که ایرانی اگر مسلمانه, نمیتونه شیعه باشه , اسلام یعنی سنت پیامبر. در سنت محمد هم نه از امامی صحبتی شده, نه از مهدی غایبی, نه از سهام بی پایان امامان از مال و اموال مردم, نه از آیت اللهی, نه از حجت الاسلامی نه از ولایت امامان , نه از واجبییت گریه زاری, نه از روحانی بودن ملایان. شیعه با یک سری بزرگان اسلام تضاد غیر قابل حل داره. وقتی به عمر و ابوبکر و عایشه توهین میکنن و جزو بزرگترین افتخارات اینها توهین به این چند نفره, اینها کافر به حساب میان و در این راستا سنی کاملا حق داره وقتی اینها رو منافق و کافر میدونه. حالا کافر بودن چیز خوبیه ولی واسه کسی که خودشو اصلا از اسلام جدا کنه , نه اینکه به سنی فحش بده, بره بشه شیعه و جریان رو بدتر و وخیم تر کنه. شیعه بدیش اینه که کارش مشخص نیست, کاملا دگرستیزه. نه ایران قبل از اسلام رو قبول داره, نه سنت اسلام رو قبول داره, نه بزرگان اسلام رو. میاد به اسم اسلام به چند نفر از بزرگان اسلام توهین میکنه, ولی میاد اونا رو با ۱۵۰ جاکش دیگه جایگزین میکنه اونا رو میکنه خدا و امام و رهبر و آیت الله. به جاش رضا و حسین و مهدی و صادق و کاظم و باقر و ...میاره میزاره جای خدا. پس واقعیت این است که یک مسلمان نمیتونه شیعه باشه. شیعه یک قاراش میش بسیار غریبیست که با هیچ کس و هیچ فرقه ای سر سازگاری نداره.

اگه به ایران قبل از اسلام گرایش داریم, که خوب اصلا باید جفت اینها رو ترک کرد و با غرور یک کافر واقعی شد و تنها راه بهبودی ایران در همین نهفته. در اینکه اصلا از اسلام دوری کرد, نه با فحش به عربی که خودش هم به زور شمشیر مسلمون شده و در بسیاری از مواقع هنوز هم داره دهان کجی میکنه به اسلام و مرتب در ستیز با قوانین اسلامه چون میبینه که خواسته های انسانی اونها رو لگد مال میکنه , بلکه با تمرکز روی هر خصلت و کردار و پنداری که فکر میکنیم ضد فرهنگ اسلامیست. بدون اینکه به اونها کاری داشته باشیم باید خودمون رو بسازیم و درست کنیم. خرد گرایی کنیم.

 

[Hooshmand]

Wahabis are far more dangerous than Shia extremists

 

[Hooshmand]

What Do ISIS & Saudi Arabia Have In Common?
Wahabis are barbaric backwarded bloodthirsty killing machines

[video=youtube;staMI7DoO-E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=staMI7DoO-E[/video]

 

[Chinaski]

Wahabis are far more dangerous than Shia extremists

Not to iran bache mollah, not to iran. Wahabis if at all are an arab problem, not our problem. Our iranian problem are you tokhme shias and your beloved shia sect. Its so obvious what a fucked up tokhme shia you are. Likes of you are on internet to support this regime and shiitism by diverting attention. Getting all discussions about badbakhtiye iranian under shia off track and making it a wahabi bullshit thing, insulting all arabs with a clear purpose to win sympathies for the iranians mullahs who however are the onese who are fucking up Iran. You never cared about iran, you are a monaafegh, you care for shiitism.

 

[Hooshmand]

Not interested in talking to a tokhmeh wahabi filth..

Just enlightening people

 

[Hooshmand]

It's called Freedom of speech, dont like it?? go to an arab forum or set up your own forum and discuss things with yourself ..
End of story !!

 

[Chinaski]

fekr konam koonet dobaare paareh shod

 

[Hooshmand]

Maloome pareh shodi .. zood hol kardi omadi koli bazi dar ovordi

shoma ha shenakhteh shode hastid

hala boro enshaa benevis piremarde bikaar

 

[Chinaski]

Bebin aakhoond zaadeh, to ke sahle, az to yek donyaa bozorgtaresho man aavordam paain. To ke mostaraah shoore jamkaraanam nemizaaran beshi

 

[Chinaski]

Not interested in talking to a tokhmeh wahabi filth..

Just enlightening people

Bebin heyvoon, mikhaay beshmoram toye gooze ravaani taa be haal chiaa sedaam kardi? Arab, tork, bahaai, yahoodi, sonni, komonist, wahabi....aakhe kesaafate maskhare, belaakhare entekhaab kon che gohi mikhaai bokhori, gharaare aakhar chi baasham? Baa kodoom titir baayad kooneto paare konam?

 

[Hooshmand]

LOL you're delusional

I 100% Hate you !! that's for sure and wont let you brain-wash people with your wahabi propaganda

Later..

 

[Chinaski]

khob be kiram bache aakhoond. boro bishin too boshke taa talabe haaye hozeye elmiyeh biaan soraaghet. bisavaade mozallaf

 

[Hooshmand]

khob be kiram bache aakhoond. boro bishin too boshke taa talabe haaye hozeye elmiyeh biaan soraaghet. bisavaade mozallaf

You are projecting LOL

To boro mesle hamisheh vase Royal Saudi family ghombol kon kharjit darad... harfe moft nazan bacheh wahabi .. No wonder why you are so obsessed with arabs and sunnis.. LOOOL

 

[Chinaski]

Man aasheghe chenin bisavaadaaii mesle to hastam, tokhme aakhoondaai ke aakharesh khodeshoon o vojoode lajaneshoono lo midan. Na lajan, too iran hich moshkeli baa sonni o wahabi vojood nadaare. Oonaa nistan ke daaran 37 saale khoone mardomo mikonan too shishe. Oonaa nistan ke mardom ro khafe kardan, aaberoo o heysiat vaase mamlekat nazaashtan. Mollah haaye shia shoma haa ro mifrestan too internet ke mardom ro az moshkelaat asliye mamlekat door konid. sonni o wahabi agar moshkeli baashe, moshkele arab haast, moshkele iran tamaaman be shia rabt daare. Be amsaale to rabt daare, be rejimet rabt daare, be mollaayaane shia rabt daare. Enghadr man in mantegh ro mikoobam too saret taa age too mokhe toye mozallaf ham naraft, too sare 4 taa aadam dorost hesaabi laa aghal bere: Iran has no wahabi problem. Iran has a shia problem. The same whahabis were friends with our shia shah, that means even those saudi wahabis would dance on the streets if someone like shah would come back and replace your beloved shia mullahs. They would get a long with a shia like shah. They just dont get along with shia mullahs. This is FACT. This is reality, this is mantegh, this is taarikh. You know what that means bisavaad? That means even the house of Saud and all those wahabis interests inevitably and incidently are closer to interests of iranian people than tokhme shia like you who are just using the name of iran and iranian hood as a decoy to hide behind to get through the propaganda. Too muddy the water, to make people not clearly see were our real iranian problem lies. No aakhoondak, no wahabi and sunni is a threat to iran. The real threat to iran is shiite mullahism and their hoghoogh begiiraashoon on internt like you mozallaf

 

[Hassan1980]

^^ We are not friends of Arab sunnis, wahabbis or whatever the hell they are either. We will always have tensions between us wether IR is there in power or not. These guys are the same fucked up people who invaded our homeland with their filthy swords and delivered a blow that Iranians more than 1400 years later did not recover from.

If i was in power i would only order mass tradings with these Persian gulf countries to get more rich, nothing more.

 

[Chinaski]

Well what you are talking about is a 1400 years old stuff. Boring stuff to be honest. These same wahabis and sunnis who you are trying to make your enemies are now friends with israel and have abondoned palestinian cause why? Because they have learned to be effective and pragmatic. The same wahabis are actually shitting on mohammads advices regarding "aale yahood". They are doing business with them. Now if those arabs learn to adjust, we have to be able to do the same and shah actually did it pretty well. He got along with israelis (to a certain extent, not every where to not upset his arab neighbours which was a heck of a smart move) and he got along with the arabs and the same wahabi arabs got along with him. So dont dig out old and boring stuff to make even more enemies. So Irans enemies IN FACT are those shiite mullahs who are ruling people by force and are creating tension and isolating our country which will have disastrous consequences. You get rid of these shiite mullahs and the same wahabis will get alone with our next government as long as they are not into shiite extremism and expansionism. This is all that matters to iran. the rest is just hot air and bullshiting around about wahabis and 1400 years old stuff which nobody should really care about. 500 years ago we ourselves were sunnis until they made us to shiites by sword. It all doesnt matter anymore. Arabs willl and have to get along with Iran and they have shown in the past that they pretty much are able and willing to. The only obstacle is the shiite mullahs ruing our country. You want a better iran with good ties to our neighbours? Get rid of these mullahs and the same arabs would love to be "mass trading" with iranians" in return. They just had enough of these shiite mullahs and that hostility of us towards them and them towards us is keeping this region hostage. Nothing moves forward. Thats the bottom line. Period

 

[Hassan1980]

Well what you are talking about is a 1400 years old stuff. Boring stuff to be honest. These same wahabis and sunnis who you are trying to make your enemies are now friends with israel and have abondoned palestinian cause why? Because they have learned to be effective and pragmatic. The same wahabis are actually shitting on mohammads advices regarding "aale yahood". They are doing business with them. Now if those arabs learn to adjust, we have to be able to do the same and shah actually did it pretty well. He got along with israelis (to a certain extent, not every where to not upset his arab neighbours which was a heck of a smart move) and he got along with the arabs and the same wahabi arabs got along with him. So dont dig out old and boring stuff to make even more enemies. So Irans enemies IN FACT are those shiite mullahs who are ruling people by force and are creating tension and isolating our country which will have disastrous consequences. You get rid of these shiite mullahs and the same wahabis will get alone with our next government as long as they are not into shiite extremism and expansionism. This is all that matters to iran. the rest is just hot air and bullshiting around about wahabis and 1400 years old stuff which nobody should really care about. 500 years ago we ourselves were sunnis until they made us to shiites by sword. It all doesnt matter anymore. Arabs willl and have to get along with Iran and they have shown in the past that they pretty much are able and willing to. The only obstacle is the shiite mullahs ruing our country. You want a better iran with good ties to our neighbours? Get rid of these mullahs and the same arabs would love to be "mass trading" with iranians" in return. They just had enough of these shiite mullahs and that hostility of us towards them and them towards us is keeping this region hostage. Nothing moves forward. Thats the bottom line. Period

I recently agree with you about issues and you make sense. But this ''lets forget it, it has been 1400 years ago'' mentality is simply ridicilous. Just because their crimes is 1400 years old doesnt mean we should forget everything and consider them our best friends. You mention about Arab-Israel relations, this is a complex issue... i told you a while ago that Israel is not a country that you can trust. The same Israel that despite sharing a 40 year old peaceful border with Syria (the most safest area for Israel was the Syrian border) started causing trouble. Same Israel that is actively engaged in destabilizing Assad. Whoever comes in power in Syria will have to give up the Syrian territories (Golan) in order to befriend and please Israel so if the time comes for the American-Israeli axis to drop Saudis like a sack of potatoes THEY WILL. Nothing to admire about the Saudi foreign policy they are actually very short sighted and seek short term reliefs for their foreign policy.

You rightfully bash the American government, but leave out the Israeli government from the list of troublemakers and this IMO is very dangerous because many people consider the American gov as the main culprit but leave out states like Israel,Saudis etc (UK is out of the picture, they are becoming more irrelevant as time passes).

Bottom line : Nothing to admire about the Saudis, they just shared the monarchist principles with the Shah, thats it. They can never tolerate a strong independent Republic of Iran. Just think about it.

 

[Chinaski]

I recently agree with you about issues and you make sense. But this ''lets forget it, it has been 1400 years ago'' mentality is simply ridicilous. Just because their crimes is 1400 years old doesnt mean we should forget everything and consider them our best friends. You mention about Arab-Israel relations, this is a complex issue... i told you a while ago that Israel is not a country that you can trust. The same Israel that despite sharing a 40 year old peaceful border with Syria (the most safest area for Israel was the Syrian border) started causing trouble. Same Israel that is actively engaged in destabilizing Assad. Whoever comes in power in Syria will have to give up the Syrian territories (Golan) in order to befriend and please Israel so if the time comes for the American-Israeli axis to drop Saudis like a sack of potatoes THEY WILL. Nothing to admire about the Saudi foreign policy they are actually very short sighted and seek short term reliefs for their foreign policy.

You rightfully bash the American government, but leave out the Israeli government from the list of troublemakers and this IMO is very dangerous because many people consider the American gov as the main culprit but leave out states like Israel,Saudis etc (UK is out of the picture, they are becoming more irrelevant as time passes).

Bottom line : Nothing to admire about the Saudis, they just shared the monarchist principles with the Shah, thats it. They can never tolerate a strong independent Republic of Iran. Just think about it.

Just try to make sense. Lay back, breath through, read your own post again and ask yourself if it makes sense as a whole. It doesnt. I ask you this: What do you exactly mean we shouldnt forget what happened 1400 years ago? Seriously what do you exactly mean? You want to go to war with the Saudis today for something moslems did 1400 years ago? Ok, go ahead, declare war on them. Do you want to bash and insult all arabs from the persian gulf era and blame our misery on them although we have these shiite blood suckers who are milking the nation and suppress them for nearly 4 decades? Ok do it. But then again? Does it make sense? Not at all.

You can continue the course of IR and some iranians who are victims of IR propaganda and their own dumbness and join the senseless saudi and wahabi bashing but at the end of the day we see the results. The result is an Iran which is absolutely surrounded by hostile people who consider us insane, irrational and not integrative people. Is it shohrat? not at all because if there is anything you cant change is your location. We are iranians and our neighours have always been turks, afghans and arabs and as long as you dont find a way to keep the balance and have friends, you will end up being destroyed. If not today, then tommorow. It is what it is and as i said, all that wahabi bashing stuff is zaadeye tablighaate IR. Iranian people have no dog -or shouldnt have- a dog in this fight. Again: Iranians are not getting suppressed, killed and hanged by wahabis, saudis, arabs, sunni, qatari...NOT AT ALL. Several iranian generations had and are still having a miserable life due to IRANIANS. Due to iranian mullahs due to backwardness and harshness of iranian shiite mullahs. Wahabis and stuff like that is just something absolutely irrational which somehow has found its way into our daily culture and no iranian can really exlain it. Every single iranian filled with this kind of irrational hate will be all pet pet if confronted with very simple truth about iran and iranian mullahs. Another irrational thing you said was: The saudis will never accept an independent strong iran! This is as i said a heck of an irrational and wrong statement. Iran is the biggest country in that region. If we lost our influence it was once again because of IRANIAN MULLAHS not because of the saudis and yet they are not bothering us. They are just fed up with our government just like many iranian people. What do you mean they dont accept? They have to! Baba, you guys are young, you think iran and saudis started living next to eachother 30 years ago. Na baba jaan, chenin nist, saudis are not insane, they know they after all have to accept Iran as a big neighbour and in fact they are still doing although they hate our shiite mullahs! They had very good relationship with shah back then. They dont have to love us, we dont have to love them but we can live with eachother as neighbours who get along with eachother, who trade with eachother, we shouldnt care about their fucked up wahabism which de facto is none of our business aslong as they dont try to impose anything on us which they quite simply never did. These are simple facts about the whole thing with saudis without demonizing anything. They are a backward muslim country, we are a backward muslim country, but we as iranians shouldnt give a fuck about what they do in their own country. Honestly, Iran is the country with the biggest upside and talent in the whole region, the only thing which is holding us back is this filthy shiite government which has been irrational, sneaky and intrusive from day one and unfortunately all those iranians who raised and were grown up under their rule, their rotten logics, their ridiculous propaganda, their lies, their agressiveness towards iranian people, their backwardness...and those iranians -unfortunately- show me day in and day out that they have picked up a lot of that shit without even noticing it. This regime has destroyed the whole backbone or our culture and this superficial and senseless arab bashing, turk bashing, felan bashing besaar bashing, are really signs of that emptiness of iranians who have lost sight of their real, urgent problems long ago and are now just trying to live into the day, make the next day with no real political sense and courage, with no real social courage...just pick up the cheap slogans and try to spead it without verifying anything.

Facing such devastating and tough to solve problems we iranians have with ourselves, we shouldnt even have a second to waste thinking and talking about truely senseless, cheap and useless stuff like wahabism, sunni, kooft o zahremaarism. Those are not our problems. They have never been.

 

[Hassan1980]

Just try to make sense. Lay back, breath through, read your own post again and ask yourself if it makes sense as a whole. It doesnt. I ask you this: What do you exactly mean we shouldnt forget what happened 1400 years ago? Seriously what do you exactly mean? You want to go to war with the Saudis today for something moslems did 1400 years ago? Ok, go ahead, declare war on them. Do you want to bash and insult all arabs from the persian gulf era and blame our misery on them although we have these shiite blood suckers who are milking the nation and suppress them for nearly 4 decades? Ok do it. But then again? Does it make sense? Not at all.

You can continue the course of IR and some iranians who are victims of IR propaganda and their own dumbness and join the senseless saudi and wahabi bashing but at the end of the day we see the results. The result is an Iran which is absolutely surrounded by hostile people who consider us insane, irrational and not integrative people. Is it shohrat? not at all because if there is anything you cant change is your location. You are iranians and our neighours have always been turks, afghans and arabs and as long as you dont find a way to keep the balance and have friends, you will end up being destroyed. If not today, then tommorow. It is what it is and as i said, all that wahabi bashing stuff is zaadeye tablighaate IR. Iranian people have no dog -or shouldnt have- a dog in this fight. Again: Iranians are not getting suppressed, killed and hanged by wahabis, saudis, arabs, sunni, qatari...NOT AT ALL. Several iranian generations had and are still having a miserable life due to IRANIANS. Due to iranian mullahs due to backwardness and harshness of iranian shiite mullahs. Wahabis and stuff like that is just something absolutely irrational which somehow has found its way into our daily culture and no iranian can really exlain it. Every single iranian filled with this kind of irrational hate will be all pet pet if confronted with very simple truth about iran and iranian mullahs. Another irrational thing you said was: The saudis will never accept an independent strong iran! This is as i said a heck of an irrational and wrong statement. Iran is the biggest country in that region. If we lost our influence it was once again because of IRANIAN MULLAHS not because of the saudis and yet they are not bothering us. They are just fed up with our government just like many iranian people. What do you mean they dont accept? They have to! Baba, you guys are young, you think iran and saudis started living next to eachother 30 years ago. Na baba jaan, chenin nist, saudis are not insane, they know they after all have to accept Iran as a big neighbour and in fact they are still doing although they hate our shiite mullahs! They had very good relationship with shah back then. They dont have to love us, we dont have to love them but we can live with eachother as neighbours who get along with eachother, who trade with eachother, we shouldnt care about their fucked up wahabism which de facto is none of our business aslong as they dont try to impose anything on us which they quite simply never did. These are simple facts about the whole thing with saudis without demonizing anything. They are a backward muslim country, we are a backward muslim country, but we as iranians shouldnt give a fuck about what they do in their own country. Honestly, Iran is the country with the biggest upside and talent in the whole region, the only thing which is holding us back is this filthy shiite government which has been irrational, sneaky and intrusive from day one and unfortunately all those iranians who raised and were grown up under their rule, their rotten logics, their ridiculous propaganda, their lies, their agressiveness towards iranian people, their backwardness...and those iranians -unfortunately- show me day in and day out that they have picked up a lot of that shit without even noticing it. This regime has destroyed the whole backbone or our culture and this superficial and senseless arab bashing, turk bashing, felan bashing besaar bashing, are really signs of that emptiness of iranians who have lost sight of their real, urgent problems long ago and are now just trying to live into the day, make the next day with no real political sense and courage, with no real social courage...just pick up the cheap slogans and try to spead it without verifying anything.

Facing such devastating and tough to solve problems we iranians have with ourselves, we shouldnt even have a second to waste thinking and talking about truely senseless, cheap and useless stuff like wahabism, sunni, kooft o zahremaarism. Those are not our problems. They have never been.

Unfortunately due to Arab invasion Islam became part of our daily lives. We are forced to confront Islam on a daily basis. These religious war that is going on in the region is simply the aftershock of the Arab invasion that occured 1400 years ago. Honestly, i dnt care about these Shia-Sunni stuff, if i did i would be in Syria defending shia shrines, what i care and know is that the Arab world dislikes Iran. Even during the Shah they hated us. THat Saddam had to swallow his pride and sign the algier agreement because he knew the Imperial Iranian army would wipe the floor with him if he became a headache. Arabs showed true colour when Iran became weak and that happened after the 80's and is still continuing today.

Really, i dnt like respect out of fear, it never shows peoples true colours it is just a mask. Arab attitude towards the Iran before IR you mentioned was exactly respect out of fear. And who says that the Arabs didnt conspire with the Americans to oust the Shah ? Hmm...