Oh, yeah! Now I remember. Thanks. It was funny even back then. Every word rang true. I still remember the tattered cover and pages that were coming unglued. BTW, publishers in Iran STILL haven’t found a way to bind a book without it coming apart in a few months. What a technological achievement that would be.
Well, yes and no. I haven’t watched the clip but I can imagine what they might say. The reason Iranians are the way they are is a result of a 1000 years of lifetime experience. This is the way you can survive. And it is not unique to Iran. You think Egyptians do it differently? It is something in the air. Haven’t you noticed a week after going back you become like everybody else? You drive like them , you begin to dress like them and talk like them. You walk in a bank and quietly wait your turn for an hour if you have to. You come back here and if there are two people ahead of you you storm out in disgust.
اصولا درهمه فرهنگ ها و ملیت ها رفتارها و کردارهای منفی و مثبت وجود
دارد
ولی اینکه این برنامه به شکلی تهیه شده که انگار ملتی با فرهنگی منفی است سئوالهای زیادی را پیش می کشد
من دروغگویی را در اکثر فرهنگ ها دیده ام
البته دربسیاری از فرهنگ ها این ریاکاری و دروغگویی بشکلی موذیانه تر از فرهنگ خاورمیانه است
همچنین به نظر من از نظر فرهنگی ملت ایران یک فرهنگ غنی برخوردار است و کردارهای مثبت اگر بیش از منفی نباشد کمتر نیست
دارد
ولی اینکه این برنامه به شکلی تهیه شده که انگار ملتی با فرهنگی منفی است سئوالهای زیادی را پیش می کشد
من دروغگویی را در اکثر فرهنگ ها دیده ام
البته دربسیاری از فرهنگ ها این ریاکاری و دروغگویی بشکلی موذیانه تر از فرهنگ خاورمیانه است
همچنین به نظر من از نظر فرهنگی ملت ایران یک فرهنگ غنی برخوردار است و کردارهای مثبت اگر بیش از منفی نباشد کمتر نیست
همش کس و شره. از گنده گوزی های قدیمی ما ایرونی هاست که فکر میکنیم فرهنگ با شیر مادر بهمون میرسه. ایرونی اصلا نمیدونه و نفهمیده که فرهنگ مطلب ساکن و تغییر ناپذیری نیست. فرهنگ ملت ها مرتب تغییر میکنه, ملت ایران ممکنه روزگاری یک ملت با فرهنگ برتر بوده, ولی اون دوره زمونه تموم شده رفته. امروز ملت ایران ملیون ملیون با فرغون هم که شده میره کربلا, جوون های ابرو ور داشته با پیرهن های ژیگولی میرن سینه زنی و زنجیر زنی, امروز یک ملت فالگیر و خرافاتی و رمال سفت شدیم. من یادمه تو ایران دیگه هیچ راننده تریلی نمیخواست سر گردنه های خطرناک آذربایجان رانندگی کنه اداره کار میرفت راننده از ترکیه میآورد که برای کار در ایران سر و کله میشکوندن و جونشونو به خطر مینداختن و از هر گردنه ای هم رد میشدن حتی تو زمستون. امروز دیگه ترکا مارو آدم هم حساب نمیکنن, و به حق ما رو عرب میدونن و به مسخره دوره سرشون علامت امامه در میارن که یعنی شما ایرونی ها ملا هستید. تعداد زیادی از راننده کامیون های شرکت نفت آبادان کره ای های جنوبی بودند, وقتی انقلاب شد و باید میرفتن مملکتشون گریه میکردن, امروز ما ها دیگه پشمشونم نیستیم, میریم اونجا پناهنده شیم, پلیسشون با تیپا ایرونی ها رو از رو نیمکت های پارک های شهر سئول میندازه پایین و بعد هم دیپورتشون میکنه. امروز ایرونی میره پاکستان فلک زده پناهنده میشه و تو زندون های اونجا کتک میخوره. فرهنگ ملت ها مرتب در حال تغییره و ایرونی ها از نظر فرهنگی نزول فاحشی کردند. هر اشغالی تو ایران به یه پیرمرد ۷۰, ۸۰ ساله محترم میگه "تو". دیگه شمایی وجود نداره. تو وزارت خونه ها و اداره جات هم به همین شکله. انگار مردم کلفت هستند طرف ۳۰ سالشه نشسته پشت میز و عین چاله میدونی ها باهاشون حرف میزنه...
مهمون نوازیمون هم ایراد داره و توش دو رویی و دو رنگی وجود داره. من تو آلمان که بودم یادمه ایرونی ها به آلمانی ها ایراد میگرفتن که وقتی میرن خونشون سر غذا هم باشن بهشون تعارف نمیکنن. یواش یواش متوجه شدم که حتی در این زمینه آلمانیه رو راست تر از ایرونی هاست. آلمانیه یا بهت تعارف نمیکنه یا وقتی میکنه از ته قلب میکنه و هیچ انتظاری هم نداره. ایرونیه ولی بهت تعارف میکنه در صورتی که انتظار داره تعارفشو رد کنی, اگه قبول کنی, چه حرفا که پشت سرت بهت نمیزنه, چه اراجیفی که پشت سرت به کسای دیگه نمیگه, بشقاب هاتم میشمره, یک کلاغ چهل کلاغ هم میکنه و میشی یه آدم پر رو و بی ادب بدون اینکه بدونی چیکار کردی و چه جرمی مرتکب شدی.
There is no question that there's an "accepted" level of dishonesty and deceit in the daily interactions of Iranians. It's just there, but no one is foolish enough to not price it into their thought-process.
This is indeed a pretty shitty trait, but hey, it's there.
But this BBC discussion is very weak.
First of all: In order for the program to make any sense, they first need to show visuals of what they're talking about. This is TV, not a book. It's not hard to show Iranian people being Iranian people.
2nd: None of the guests present have any scientific credentials, nor any background in this topic.
3rd: They need to pick a single trait, dissect it, discuss it, show a historical evolution pattern for it, find its root cause(s) and arrive at a conclusion on how or why this trait should be advocated or eliminated.
None of what the guests said in this program had any value. NONE. That was a total waste.
It is also important to acknowledge the stereotypical and somewhat racist nature of this program (though it can be forgiven as long as the goals are clear)
This is indeed a pretty shitty trait, but hey, it's there.
But this BBC discussion is very weak.
First of all: In order for the program to make any sense, they first need to show visuals of what they're talking about. This is TV, not a book. It's not hard to show Iranian people being Iranian people.
2nd: None of the guests present have any scientific credentials, nor any background in this topic.
3rd: They need to pick a single trait, dissect it, discuss it, show a historical evolution pattern for it, find its root cause(s) and arrive at a conclusion on how or why this trait should be advocated or eliminated.
None of what the guests said in this program had any value. NONE. That was a total waste.
It is also important to acknowledge the stereotypical and somewhat racist nature of this program (though it can be forgiven as long as the goals are clear)
And who doesn’t? Don’t people throw parties where you live?Actually that kind of مهمان نوازی you might remember is long gone. In today’s Iran, the cost of living is so high and transportation so difficult that few people visit each other any more, let alone do مهمان نوازی. Invite 5 people to dinner and you’ll be out half a million toman in food, fruit and nuts (sounds funny when you say it in English!). People don’t have that kind of money to throw around.
Anybody who has read my posts knows that I'm very critical of many Iranian traits and culture but that does not mean that either Iranians are any worse than other nationalities (in general) or that Iranian culture is not rich at its core.
You want an example of Iran's rich culture ("farhang e ghani")? I'll tell you a couple.
Iranians in general tend to support and standup for the weak and oppressed often at risk of their own well being. This is not a small or trivial trait. This type of behavior is what gives human beings their "worth and value" as JP Sartre points out in his philosophy of existentialism. We see this trait throughout Iranian history not only on individual and domestic level but also on the global and international arena as well. Be it defending the persecuted Jews by Cyrus and Darius or defending the black South Africans against the Apartheid regime (at the time when European countries and US were turning a blind eye to their atrocities) to supporting Afghans against Russia to defending Palestinians Iranians are one of the very few nations in the world that tend to stand and support those who they perceive as oppressed even if it means jeopardizing their own safety, security and well being.
Iranians in general are very humanitarian and concerned about the welfare of others not just within the borders of their own homes or town, province or country but on global scale as well. That is why throughout its history not only Iranian leaders but Iranian authors, philosophers, and scientists have been concerned about spreading what they perceived as the truth and goodness beyond Iranian borders. And that is why Iranians are constantly obsessed about converting and pursuading their fellow compatriots to their own religious and political beliefs. This as we all know causes a lot of grief and headache for most Iranians but this is in contrast to say the Chinese, Indians, or the Egyptians who in their 5000 years of history have rarely bothered to step a foot beyond their borders to help "enlighten" their fellow human beings. That is why Chinese built a wall around themselves and essentially said "koon e lagh e bagheeyeh kardeh" or many Indians despite believing that Buddhism might be the real truth and way of salvation never bother to even convert their own fellow Indians much less have missionaries that would bother to travel to other countries to enlighten their fellow human beings.
On the other hand, most Iranians are "Kos khol" and like to talk out of their ass and pretend to know everything and rarely open to admitting that they might not know something or go forbid might be wrong, as so nicely portrayed by the panel in the stupid video that got us all talking about this nonsense and bullshit topic.
You want an example of Iran's rich culture ("farhang e ghani")? I'll tell you a couple.
Iranians in general tend to support and standup for the weak and oppressed often at risk of their own well being. This is not a small or trivial trait. This type of behavior is what gives human beings their "worth and value" as JP Sartre points out in his philosophy of existentialism. We see this trait throughout Iranian history not only on individual and domestic level but also on the global and international arena as well. Be it defending the persecuted Jews by Cyrus and Darius or defending the black South Africans against the Apartheid regime (at the time when European countries and US were turning a blind eye to their atrocities) to supporting Afghans against Russia to defending Palestinians Iranians are one of the very few nations in the world that tend to stand and support those who they perceive as oppressed even if it means jeopardizing their own safety, security and well being.
Iranians in general are very humanitarian and concerned about the welfare of others not just within the borders of their own homes or town, province or country but on global scale as well. That is why throughout its history not only Iranian leaders but Iranian authors, philosophers, and scientists have been concerned about spreading what they perceived as the truth and goodness beyond Iranian borders. And that is why Iranians are constantly obsessed about converting and pursuading their fellow compatriots to their own religious and political beliefs. This as we all know causes a lot of grief and headache for most Iranians but this is in contrast to say the Chinese, Indians, or the Egyptians who in their 5000 years of history have rarely bothered to step a foot beyond their borders to help "enlighten" their fellow human beings. That is why Chinese built a wall around themselves and essentially said "koon e lagh e bagheeyeh kardeh" or many Indians despite believing that Buddhism might be the real truth and way of salvation never bother to even convert their own fellow Indians much less have missionaries that would bother to travel to other countries to enlighten their fellow human beings.
On the other hand, most Iranians are "Kos khol" and like to talk out of their ass and pretend to know everything and rarely open to admitting that they might not know something or go forbid might be wrong, as so nicely portrayed by the panel in the stupid video that got us all talking about this nonsense and bullshit topic.