A Fascist America

[Pahlevoon Nayeb]

Bauvafa Jon, Damat hamisheh garm.


I hope so my man, I hope so! We weathered the Arab conquest by re-asserting our culture and language, endured the Mongol barbarities, and withstood the Ottoman, English, and Russian assault on our very existence.

Now, after having been weakened by another 25 years of backwardness and corruption, the last thing we need is a deadly civil war over territory, religion, ethnicity, and the rest of the things these neocon ba$tards are hoping to exploit to "re-map" the Middle East according to their twisted vision of how the region should be.

Backed by the neocons and inflamed by Turkey, the Azary separatists have been singing the tune of independence (or joining the "other half") for the past 10 years. Emboldened by the new-found freedom of their Iraqi brethren, Iranian Kurds are already building cultural and social bridges, paving the way for a potential secession. The Arab nationalists of Khuzestan (read Arab Sheikhs across the Persian Gulf) never stopped their openly heretic language of calling Khuzestan by other names.

The neocons would LOVE nothing more than to get their filthy hands on just one of these ethnicities and incite them to start a civil war. And, as we've heard in the news, the Israelis have been operating in Iranian Kurdistan already for some time now.

 

[AMirza]

Now, after having been weakened by another 25 years of backwardness and corruption, the last thing we need is a deadly civil war over territory, religion, ethnicity, and the rest of the things these neocon ba$tards are hoping to exploit to "re-map" the Middle East according to their twisted vision of how the region should be.......

Wrong my good man - the last thing we need is another 25 years of this shit - and some of us (if you don't mind) are trying to do something about it.

PS - I did not want to continue this useless discussion with one obssessed with the word Neo-Con without even knowing what it is. Did you know that Neo-Cons is also referred to liberals who have recently become conservatives or democrats who have changed party affiliation ? Please stop your exploitation of words you have yet to fully understand - and don't get too high when you get praises from political migits. In fact - every time you see certain people supporting you - that is a good sign to re-think your positions.

 

[Pahlevoon Nayeb]

Trust me budd, I know more about the neocons than you or the likes of you can ever imagine!

And, yes, the neocons are ex-Trotskyites and ex-commies turned right-wing fascists. So what? Does that make any difference whatsoever?

Whereas I and all those who actually take the time to EVALUATE both sides (i.e. read, evaluate, be critical) have READ what these people have in store for us, people of your ilk put their brains on neutral and worry about "another 25 years of this shit," rather than think of Iran's long-term interests, the neo-morons' real intentions, and the effect of ANY attack on Iranian lives, heritage, and society.

Instead of watching FOX and LA TV crap on a daily basis, had you actually taken the time to evaluate these murderers on their words and the subsequent actions, you too would get a clue as to what YOU're talking about!

You never answered my question Amriza, new "daddies" to take the place of old ones for how much longer? Historically, are you really that short-sited as to not see the disaster of Iranian disintegration in the wake?


Are you driven only by hate?

 

[AMirza]

PN,
You and I have different visions and hopefuly same goals. However - your priority seems to be making your environment a better place, for your sake, and based on your beliefs. While, I am out to make Iran a better place, and not for me - just for the sake of Iran. If my priority was to live in America happily ever after - and I can - I would have never supported a Republican as the president. You see - I have been formated (brought up) not to enjoy life when Iran is in it's current shape. I do not expect you to understand - very few do - hence the large number of Iranians in USA whom will never look back.

We are also different in our approaches to resolve problems - You analyze and despise the new version of American Conservative. I change, inform and direct them !! I truely believe America will never hurt Iran - they won't, because they can't - not under my watch !! again - I do not expect you to understand that sentiment - but I assure you it's real and it's effective.

BTW - I do not know where your comment "Driven by Hate" came from - but Hating hurts only those who hate. Evil is out there and must be eradicated - but what good hating the evil will do ?

 

[Pahlevoon Nayeb]

Having illusions of grandeur again I see. So, America would not hurt Iran under YOUR watch, eh? Next, I suppose you’re going to tell us that you’re the head of the order of worldwide freemason council, huh?!!

And, no, I’m afraid your argument doesn’t hold water bud! While YOU’re advocating Iran cut off her nose to spite her face, I’m saying NO body parts of my nation must be cut off AT ALL!

I do not wish to see an Azarbaian, a Kurdestan, an Arabestan, a Baluchestan, and a Khurasan stand where once there was a country called Iran. This is EXACTLY what your so called Republicans have planned for MY country!

Speaking of which, you’re finally showing the true nature and origins of your words. It’s really the Republican Vs. the Democrats thing for you, isn’t it?

Well, to put your mind at ease, I couldn’t care less if it was Dennis Kucinich who was advocating nuking my country. I’d still be fighting it as staunchly as I am now!

Also, don’t fool yourself in believing that Bush is either a conservative or a Republican, he’s neither. In your own words, Bush’s buddies are ex-commies who have revised their view of the world to fit THEIR illusions of grandeur, power, and hunger for money. Not only are the neocons not conservatives, they are as radical and reactionary as any we have seen in human history, and more!

Finally, I’m under no obligation to explain to you who I am or what I’m about, but don’t ever presume to think that you know about me.

From where I stand, the ones advocating an attack on Iran are the ones who are comfortably numb!

 

[AMirza]

As I said - I did not expect someone like you to take my comment any different than you did. Believing in the power of what one person can do - and how one simple person can change a tide of events - may seem like "Vision of Gradeur" to you - but to me is a way of life. You may feel different when and if you ever realy achieve something that would make you feel grand !!

You keep harping about your loving heart aching for the thoughts of Iran being divided or bombed - pretending like you know all American plans as you were sitting next to Rice in the latest pentagon meetings. I don't know what your game is - but for Iranians - especialy those inside of Iran - there is only one enemy - Akhoonds. The very crowd who you seem to have little to talk about - or at least clueless how to get rid of.

Dear Nayeb - I give you the benefit of doubt - but how are you going to explain to an average joe your constant positions against IRI enemies - in the last few years on ISP ?? Every single case - you find a reason to belittle and discredit IRI enemies and any movements against it.

I am sure you have heared the story about the dozd running from people -yelling "dozd - dozd" !! That is how many IRI supporters look to us on the net these days.

 

[Pahlevoon Nayeb]

Whether I “have achieved something that would make” me “feel grand” or not, you and the big mouths of your type – Hakha, Zia, LA TV types, all those who got millions from Bush’s CIA to facilitate their masters’ plans to take over Iran and instead bought expensive cars and homes in Beverly Hills – would never understand. So, like I said, don’t presume you know jack about me, Amirza, Hal, or whatever other name you use to spew your Daei Jon Napolean theories on the Web.

On the other hand, to expect Shahollahis like YOU to think critically or, at least READ once in while would be tantamount to expecting pigs to fly. I’ll let you be in your cocoon of ignorance and illusions of grandeur. From what I have seen in the past few years, both here and on other sites, you have no life anyway. Your mission seems to be just to whip up some argument somewhere against the mullahs, make boastful claims you know nothing about, and then use your age – as if being an old dinosaur is anything to brag about – to put others down.

I have clearly stated my position over and again. Iran is in the grips of cruel, despotic Neanderthals and needs to free HERSELF from their grips. If reactionary, Hitlerites such as yourself don’t give a damn whether an occupying army rapes, maims, pillages, and , in the process DIINTEGRATES MY country, then, again, I see no point in explaining that Iran has to exist first before it can become free…

Alas, no use as if it seems I’m singing “Yaseen” in the ears of an old animal of a certain long-eared variety.

Finally, screaming “Dozd” while the whole world is being robbed by the screamers is the tactic of Bushites, fascists, and reactionaries. I see you’ve learned your lesson well and are applying it to the present argument!

Much like any other struggle for freedom, IRANIANS need to free themselves, without the use of another liberating “daddy.”

I still wanna know, whatever your name is, liberating “daddies” for how long?!

 

[Bauvafa]

Finally, screaming “Dozd” while the whole world is being robbed by the screamers is the tactic of Bushites, fascists, and reactionaries. I see you’ve learned your lesson well and are applying it to the present argument!

this reminds me of a true story that my grandpa (BHS) used to tell us. In the old days in Tehran Bazar, there used to be a lot of pitty rubbery & run. And when this would happen, the shop owner in franzy start yelling "Dozd, Dozd, Dozd", and the Dozd while running for his life would yell the same "Dozd, Dozd, Dozd" to distract the general public attention, and they wouldn't know who the actual DOZD is.

Times have changed, rubberies are much more complex and sometimes invisible, but Dozd's tactics haven't changed.

 

[AMirza]

Pahlevoon dried up so fast ?
Calling me Olagh already ? Shahollahi, Big Mouth, No life, ...... that's all what you have left ? Why not ask me how to feel grand ? you peasant. Your line about Peole buying expensive houses stems from the very leftist oghdeh which is responsible for bringing Iran here. I have a tough job with you - but nothing new - Iranian Teachers have a history of being abused by their students. Some time from now - when you are sitting around and using my teachings to gloat - you will realize what I meant about "abused teachers" !!

Boro pesar joon - You ever interested to know what can make a feel grand - don't be afraid to ask.

 

[AMirza]

BTW - badmouthing IRI is not enough to make one anti-IRI. Try harder.
Roshangari of their crimes - Suuporting opposition - or taking physical actions against IRI - is what determines one's stances and determination.

 

[RASHID]

To say that Bush & co cares about the Iranian people is insane, just look at Iraq people are starting to miss Saddam. Wasn´t eight years of war enough for Iran, I lived in Khuzestan during the entire Iran-Iraq war and i pray every day that my people never have to go through that hell again.
An Amerikan attack against Iran would rip our homeland to pieaces.

(forgive my spelling)

 

[AMirza]

Rashid, Welcome aboard.
Please do not fall into the trap of thinking a US intervention in Iran means a military attack. All we want from USA is to apply political pressure and cut-off Euros support for the akhoonds. The decieving pro IRI crowd won't come out and openly support IRI or even blame USA for political intervention - all they can do is scare a desprate population of an even worse scenario.

BTW - Iraq is not just Flujeh and a few other places in which the extremists are fighting democracy. Have you considered asking an Iraqi Kurd how they feel about the changes ?

 

[spinhead]

Rashid, Welcome aboard.
Please do not fall into the trap of thinking a US intervention in Iran means a military attack. All we want from USA is to apply political pressure and cut-off Euros support for the akhoonds. The decieving pro IRI crowd won't come out and openly support IRI or even blame USA for political intervention - all they can do is scare a desprate population of an even worse scenario.

BTW - Iraq is not just Flujeh and a few other places in which the extremists are fighting democracy. Have you considered asking an Iraqi Kurd how they feel about the changes ?

Try asking her how are things going in Iraq?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/middle_east_shooting_in_tal_afar/html/3.stm

People like you have blood on their hands, just like you master Bush.
How can you sleep at night?

Shame on you!

 

[Pahlevoon Nayeb]

All we want from USA is to apply political pressure and cut-off Euros support for the akhoonds.

Maybe your name is Amirza Bush and we didn't know! Please do tell us if we're in the presence of Royalty!!!

Tell me, following an all-out war with Iran, how do you propose we're going to stop the war from escalating into one that disintegrates the country and ultimately leads to a nuclear response or two by Bush the moron?!!


Reason, logic, EVIDENCE, nothing seems to penetrate the skulls of those who are filled with nothing but a hatred for the Mullahs. This is why I said you're full of hate my man! And, from what I've seen, you are!


Do you even get half of the things I write? NUCLEAR WAR, DISINTEGRATION, RAPE of the people...HELLO?!! Is there ANYBODY home??!


With demagogues like you (look it up in the dictionary before replying!) is it ANY wonder freedom has eluded Iran?

In one post you denigrate me for, according to you, wanting to comfortably “live in America happily ever,” implying that, living comfortably, I share none of the pains of my fellow Iranians:

"your priority seems to be making your environment a better place, for your sake, and based on your beliefs. While, I am out to make Iran a better place, and not for me - just for the sake of Iran. If my priority was to live in America happily ever after - and I can - I would have never supported a Republican as the president."

http://www.specialisp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1332&page=3&pp=10

And, in another, you accuse me of being a “leftist Oghdei,” and retort:

"you peasant. Your line about Peole buying expensive houses stems from the very leftist oghdeh which is responsible for bringing Iran here."

http://www.specialisp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1332&page=3&pp=10

Which is it? Am I living my life comfortably in America or am I a “peasant, leftist Oghdei?”

And, yes, there is PLENTY of evidence of corruption by your Giorgio Armani heroes in Beverly Hills who got paid Millions by the CIA and did nothing but throw around fake ultra nationalistic hot air!


Before you can presume to teach my friend, you need to first LEARN how to write, and then learn what your words actually mean! Or, just read every once in a while…

Based on your lack of basic understanding of logic, reason, or even plain old English, I’d have to conclude that you’re nothing but full of hot air!!


By the way, I never called you the name Olagh, you have apparently come to that conclusion all on your own!

 

[AMirza]

Spinhead
Shame on the whole household producing debries such as you.
Shame for every single day Iran has to endure and tolerate Tazis and their offsprings.

 

[AMirza]

Tell me, following an all-out war with Iran, how do you propose we're going to stop the war from escalating into one that disintegrates the country and ultimately leads to a nuclear response or two by Bush the moron?!!

- Tell me, are you Hossein Shariatmadari by any chance ? you sure act like him or someone in the IRIB propaganda division. You keep scaring people of an all out war - nuclear responses - ....... Tell me how do I know you are not an akhoond-zadeh tryong to save butt ? what makes you different ? Don't want foreign intervention - fine - what is your solution ? in allthe years -never seen you offer anything in that department !! try to push that into your skull.

Do you even get half of the things I write? NUCLEAR WAR, DISINTEGRATION, RAPE

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Yes her Ichman - more tactical propaganda !! Nukes - Rape ? How insane are you ? You seem to live in haparoot buddy boy - how dare you try to scare people of rape - after what your IRI buddies have put Iranian women through ??!! maybe you are worried about yourself - which in that case - I must say I do understand your concern - there are a lot of hurt Iranians looking for revenge on IRI and it's supporters.

BTW - there are very few non peasants IRI can put on payroll !!

 

[Pahlevoon Nayeb]

Relax old man, you're liable to get a heart attack!

Whether I am a peasant or not does not help your argument one bit.

I'm not sure who Hossien Shariatmadari is, but if you had bothered to READ the so called Bush doctrine, it clearly states that America now reserves the right to 1) Pre-empt any PRECIEVED military danger and 2) Attack a non-nuclear nation with nuclear weapons, should the situation warrant it.

Now, since this doctrine was not just written for Bush's Ammeh and since you seem too old to learn anything new, I'll break this down for you:


- IRI has already stated that they will consider ANY strike on ANY part of Iran an act of all-out-war


- Even Bush himself has finally conceited that America's military is at or near a breaking point in Iraq


- In the event of an American or Israeli attack on ANY Iranian site, Iran will respond with ONLY weapon at her disposal, i.e. asymmetrical attacks (read TERROSISM) on American forces in Iraq and abroad.


- In the event of an American or Israeli attack, the Mullahs will exploit the nationalistic and Islamist fervor in the hitherto (means until now!) pro-American feelings in Iranian youth, mobilizing a large enough force -- even allowing for the portion that will theoretically not back up the mullahs -- to attack American forces in Iraq


- As the American forces are already at or near the breaking point in Iraq, a concerted attack by the Iranian forces along with the current Iraqi "insurgents"' will cause Israelis to enter the scene


- If, alongside such a scenario Iran closes the strait of Hormuz, as they have repeatedly threatened to do and/or her asymmetrical forces attack any American city, installation, or target in a terrorist fashion, American people, media, and lawmakers will make an "Evil Empire" out of ORDINARY IRANIAN PEOPLE!

- Once this happens, the Bush Doctrine of pre-emption and the right of use of nuclear bomb on Iranian cities and installations will be evoked.


- Once ANY of these scenarios come to pass, Iran will be turned into another Cambodia (Read about how Cambodia was dragged into the Vietnam War and the ensuing decade of murderous rule by the Khmer Rouge), Lebanon, or Afghanistan.


- Once this happens, there will no longer be a country named Iran for the likes of you to shed crocodile tears over.


Got it?!


Now, based on the foregoing and following the others' lead, I could also call you a vatanforoush, a collaborator, and one who does not see beyond his nose. But, I'll take the high road and refrain from doing so!

By the way, ask ANYONE outside of the messianic cult of "Bush is god," and they'll tell you that Eichmann (not Ichman!) would fit a lot more alongside Bush and Co. than those who oppose war, famine, and RAPE!!

 

[AMirza]

I'm not sure who Hossien Shariatmadari is, but..................
He is IRI's propaganda machine in charge of Keyhan - just that shows how much you know about Iran and i's afairs........

IRI has already stated that they will consider ANY strike on ANY part of Iran an act of all-out-war......... IRI Goh Khord ba tarafdarash - these are stuff only fools take to heart.

Even Bush himself has finally conceited that America's military is at or near a breaking point in Iraq - Bush never conceded (this is how it's spelled since you seem to have a special interest in spelling during debates) such thing - where did you get that from her Eichman - from IRIB wires ?
You are full of it buddy. - but it gets better

In the event of an American or Israeli attack on ANY Iranian site, Iran will respond with ONLY weapon at her disposal, i.e. asymmetrical attacks (read TERROSISM) on American forces in Iraq and abroad. Which they (IRI and their Hezbollah buddies) have been doing - anyways.

In the event of an American or Israeli attack, the Mullahs will exploit...Iranian youth...................... No they shall only exploit the Iranian idiots.

As the American forces are already at or near the breaking point in Iraq, a concerted attack by the Iranian forces along with the current Iraqi "insurgents"' will cause Israelis to enter the scene..... You must be Shariatmadari !! America has been fighting in Iraq mostly with it's "Reserve" forces - you pedestrian of a thinker.

If, alongside such a scenario Iran closes the strait of Hormuz (they can't but let's say they do), as they have repeatedly threatened to do and/or her asymmetrical forces attack any American city, installation, or target in a terrorist fashion, American people, media, and lawmakers will make an "Evil Empire" out of ORDINARY IRANIAN PEOPLE! - That one is correct - so ?

Once this happens, the Bush Doctrine of pre-emption and the right of use of nuclear bomb on Iranian cities and installations will be evoked. Wrong - again -
It's interseting how you sew zamin and Zaman together only to conclude that our choices are between Nukes and the mullahs !! so let's choose the mullahs - right ?

Once ANY of these scenarios come to pass, Iran will be turned into another Cambodia (Read about how Cambodia was dragged into the Vietnam War and the ensuing decade of murderous rule by the Khmer Rouge), Lebanon, or Afghanistan. oooooh - stop scaring us - OK I take another 50 years of Khamenei and the rest of your cusins.

Once this happens, there will no longer be a country named Iran for the likes of you to shed crocodile tears over. I beg you - Long live Akhoonds

Got it?! - yes I got it. I choose torture and a slow demise over nukes.

Now, based on the foregoing and following the others' lead, I could also call you a vatanforoush, a collaborator........... Sounds like a verdict in a Dadgah Eslami !! In fact that isexactly what has been going on in our court systems - when dealing with political activists. As beystr said - coming from you - that is a compliment I shall take to heart.

BTW - in all your propaganda - you conveniently keep overlooking a small detail - nobody, Iranian or American, is seeking a military invasion of Iran as a mean to topple IRI. That is a suggestion always brought forth by the likes of you - with hidden agendas in prolonging this regime.

 

[Pahlevoon Nayeb]

BTW - in all your propaganda - you conveniently keep failing to overlook a small detail - nobody, Iranian or American, is seeking a military invasion of Iran as a mean to topple IRI. that notion is always brought forth by the likes of you - with hidden agendas in prolonging this regime.

Does your ignorance have no bounds? Where do you live pal, the moon?

With the possible exception of FOX news and Khajeh Hafezeh Shirazi, everyone from the the award-winning writer Seymour Hersh ( http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/21021/ ), to the Washington Times ( http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040704-111252-6746r ), to Mother Jones ( http://www.motherjones.com/news/dailymojo/2005/03/israel.html ), TIMES of UK ( http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1522978,00.html ), CNN ( http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/16/hersh.iran/), Scott Ritter ( http://www.rense.com/general63/IRAN.HTM), The New Yorker (http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact), and everone in between is telling us that THE US HAS ALREADY DRAWN UP PLANS TO ATTACK IRAN!!!

Get this through your head: AMERICANS do not plan to TICKLE the Mullahs out of Iran! In fact, they couldn’t care less if the government that remains is one that is made of Mullah or Fokoli fascists. All they care about is to get their hands on Iran's oil and make Israel the master of the region.


And, yes both Bush and his military HAVE conceited that his phony War on Terror cannot be won! Can you read or are you illiterate like your furor?

http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/headlines04/0831-21.htm

and

http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/headlines05/0116-04.htm

It's Eichmann buddy, not Ichman! If you presume to go around making a fool of yourself, at least learn to SPELL!


IRI "Goh Khord" ya nakhord, Mullahs have no problem whipping up Iranians' sense of nationalism and religion and, in the process, slaughtering them to the last man and woman. We have Iraq war as precedence. You seem to be clueless about this as well!


And, yes the mullahs can close the Strait of Hormuz. I don’t have the patience to find the MANY studies -- by Pentagon and others -- that has already warned of this. Do yourself a favor and read once in a while.

It's not me who's "sewing Zamin and Zaman" together but the very studies I keep talking about and bringing reference to, while you keep ignoring them and shooting off your mouth!

Finally, I WOULD choose torture over nuclear attack on ANY Iranian city, ANY TIME!!


Now, I'd like to know how you'd defend yourself against the charge of being a VATNFOROUSH if you choose a nuclear attack!

BTW, constantly barking that someone is an IRI agent does not make them so!

 

[spinhead]

Spinhead
Shame on the whole household producing debries such as you.
Shame for every single day Iran has to endure and tolerate Tazis and their offsprings.

So, gradually your true racist nature is emerging. I should have known!
A joojeh racist following his master, Bush the fascist.