american marines captured by iran then released

[Playboy]

i think the irgc naval forces acted professionally in this episode.
they treated the detainees within the international norm of engagement even
when they have them kneel down in front of them.but that may have helped
them to get released quickly.i have no idea what they are feeding them though!

[video=youtube;6m4LydS7b4I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m4LydS7b4I[/video]

 

[TeamMeli]

They were from San Diego going to the fifth fleet(where I was both places). Since the Navy and Marines are interchangeable, I spent some time with both. I would like to give a big THANK YOU to the IRGC for being professional. I really was not expecting that from then, I thought this was going to be perhaps another hostage crisis situation and with all the progress Iran made, that would have been an absolute disaster for them. @ Playboy hopefully they fed the Marines some nice chelo kabob so they can have a break from fried chicken or soul food(we have tons of black cooks) haha. I don't think they were harassed or anything like that and everything went smoothly. The IRGC did what they had to do and the Marines did what they had to do. Marines follow orders they don't create orders, unless you are the secretary of the Navy. I am sure it is the same with the IRGC, someone at the top makes these decisions not the every day marine or Iranian soldier. I am VERY HAPPY that this was resolved peacefully with no loss of lives, on either side. Since I had family members who were officers on the Iranian side and I can understand the US military side, I have an unbiased perspective here. I can understand both sides.

 

[Zob Ahan]

No Hacopian suits this time?

 

[Playboy]

They were from San Diego going to the fifth fleet(where I was both places). Since the Navy and Marines are interchangeable, I spent some time with both. I would like to give a big THANK YOU to the IRGC for being professional. I really was not expecting that from then, I thought this was going to be perhaps another hostage crisis situation and with all the progress Iran made, that would have been an absolute disaster for them. @ Playboy hopefully they fed the Marines some nice chelo kabob so they can have a break from fried chicken or soul food(we have tons of black cooks) haha. I don't think they were harassed or anything like that and everything went smoothly. The IRGC did what they had to do and the Marines did what they had to do. Marines follow orders they don't create orders, unless you are the secretary of the Navy. I am sure it is the same with the IRGC, someone at the top makes these decisions not the every day marine or Iranian soldier. I am VERY HAPPY that this was resolved peacefully with no loss of lives, on either side. Since I had family members who were officers on the Iranian side and I can understand the US military side, I have an unbiased perspective here. I can understand both sides.

i concur.both sides played it professionally.the marines could have
tried to be cowboys and resist the order to kneel down and assume
the position but they did not and that was key for them getting
released early.a little respect for authority goes a long way in
resolving tense situations as contrasted with what we have been
seeing lately in police/people interaction in the usa resulting in tragic
use of force by the police.

 

[TeamMeli]

i concur.both sides played it professionally.the marines could have
tried to be cowboys and resist the order to kneel down and assume
the position but they did not and that was key for them getting
released early.a little respect for authority goes a long way in
resolving tense situations as contrasted with what we have been
seeing lately in police/people interaction in the usa resulting in tragic
use of force by the police.

Sometimes, it is better to comply than to try and be a hero. I understand the Marine culture and that is why I am impressed with how professionally they acted, same with the IRGC. They could have been jerks about it but they did what they had to do, in a timely and professional/non hostile manner. The tragic force used by police is a messy situation and I do not see it getting better anytime soon. That has more to do with a race war black v white/Caucasian, I am not going to get into that here because that is a different debate but there is a similarity. When you are dealing with police or authority, it does not matter where you come from, it matters how you act. You can diffuse the situation by being polite and complying, you have a better chance of walking out alive, just like the Marines did. @Zob jan lol last time I was in Iran, back in 06, I got a suit from Hakoupian, not a bad price and it was Italian. They make some nice suits.

 

[IEI]

All fucking pre-planned BS for election. I don't buy any of this shit.

The marines came had an "Abgoosht" and left .

 

[TeamMeli]

All fucking pre-planned BS for election. I don't buy any of this shit.

The marines came had an "Abgoosht" and left .

We only hooked up the marines with "Abgoosht" no chelo kabob come one man that is what we give to the workers. Maybe they got hooked up with some Soltani? I wouldn't be surprised it was staged for election. The Marines got a "liberty trip" to Iran. Personally I would rather be a US military person in Iranian custody than the other way around. Think about it.

 

[ChaharMahal]

I really got mixed feeling on this issue.

the whole thing about Americans having a broken Navigation System sounds quite odd.

on the other hand. I think Iranians could have probably just escorted them out of Iranian Waters.

Iran probably just wanted to make sure that there is no left-over intelligence data on those boats.

Apparently they were way too close to the Iranian waters.

 

[Zob Ahan]

I really got mixed feeling on this issue.

the whole thing about Americans having a broken Navigation System sounds quite odd.

on the other hand. I think Iranians could have probably just escorted them out of Iranian Waters.

Iran probably just wanted to make sure that there is no left-over intelligence data on those boats.

Apparently they were way too close to the Iranian waters.

The IR wanted a propoganda video & pics. There are idiots there that say" vaay ajab eghtedari darim didi Amrikaaye roo zaanoohaash bood".

 

[ChaharMahal]

The IR wanted a propoganda video & pics. There are idiots there that say" vaay ajab eghtedari darim didi Amrikaaye roo zaanoohaash bood".

I am sure they want that.

but the other hand is important too. you just can't let people violate the country's territorial integrity either.

because in international law there is this principle of precedence. you can not ever stop people from coming close to your islands and then one day just change that policy.

 

[Playboy]

he best thing in this clip is a 2 second view(1:37) of the
very cute iranian newscaster.the rest is just hilarious
american bravado over nothing.

[video=youtube;-yXuuOpdwK4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yXuuOpdwK4[/video]

 

[TeamMeli]

Ok so they were sailors NOT MARINES we need to change that title. As someone who spent time on both sides of the branch there is a big difference. Sailors are usually not trained ground combat, they are trained to be sailors at sea. I just wanted to point that out so when you said American Marines, the title should read American Sailors captured by IRGC. Oh and this is nothing new about American bravado these news casters think they are so tough but if they think they are tough they should go to the recruiting station and put their money where their mouth is. Notice the Sailors did the right thing they were not cowboys. There are a bunch of internet combat newscaster warriors (sarcasm) who never even fired a pistol in their life! Stick to discussing who will win the election Trump or Hillary/Sanders or talk about some stupid celebrity. Leave the military to REAL MEN. I just had to say my piece on that because that really gets under my skin. I am sure you understand why I feel that way. Like I say, "Don't talk about it be about it." That reporter should go fly to Iran and take on the IRGC if he thinks he is that hard. What a POS!

 

[Playboy]

i can't change the title.but why are these sailors wearing marine gear?

 

[TeamMeli]

i can't change the title.but why are these sailors wearing marine gear?

That is a good question and I will try and answer it the best I can
When I was in the 5th fleet and in Bahrain, I had marine gear as well it depends on your location and also remember USN and USMC are interchangeable. I was able to spend some time with them as well because sometimes you switch. It is not uncommon to see a sailor become a marine or vice versa you can do what is also called a "split tour." Also, when Marines are on a navy boat, they wear our gear the blue bdu's. Remember, the Marines do not like this but they are under the dept of the Navy. The secretary of the Navy controls the USMC. the orders come from the top and you are appointed by the President of the United States.

 

[ChaharMahal]

The whole thing about Marines vs Sailors is just nonsense.

Their budget is part of the navy. they basically get deployed using the navy equipment (most of the time)

it is just historical tradition that the marines are a separate force.

otherwise it really makes no sense.

 

[TeamMeli]

The whole thing about Marines vs Sailors is just nonsense.

Their budget is part of the navy. they basically get deployed using the navy equipment (most of the time)

it is just historical tradition that the marines are a separate force.

otherwise it really makes no sense.

There is a saying we have in the Navy for what MARINES stands for My Ass Rides on Navy Equipment Sir. I had to share that since you pointed out they basically get depoyed using navy equipment. They are separate to a degree, their boot camp is different and you have two choices. If you are from west of the Mississippi River, you got to MRCD in San Diego and if you are East of the Mississippi River, you are going to Paris Island. Navy only has one boot camp, Great Lakes, Illinois. You are also correct their budget is apart of the Navy, on their military ID"s it says DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY and the Secretary of the Navy is the head man in charge. To me one cannot exist without the others. Yes they do separate assignments but they are connected.

 

[IEI]

In any event, if you want to eat "Ab Goosht" go to Persian gulf in GPS location xxx,yyy (longitude and latitude) and you could have it for free.
It also includes "doogh" and "sabzi khordan".

 

[Zob Ahan]

he best thing in this clip is a 2 second view(1:37) of the
very cute iranian newscaster.the rest is just hilarious
american bravado over nothing.

[video=youtube;-yXuuOpdwK4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yXuuOpdwK4[/video]

How you saw her "very cuteness" in 2 seconds is amazing.

 

[TeamMeli]

In any event, if you want to eat "Ab Goosht" go to Persian gulf in GPS location xxx,yyy (longitude and latitude) and you could have it for free.
It also includes "doogh" and "sabzi khordan".

That is pretty funny but looks like the sailors were well fed they probably ate better food than they would have on the ship. I am actually quite surprised and impressed with Iran's hospitality Now on a serious note that LT is being criticized by commando journalists but he did the right thing. They are saying they should have fought they were not there what if those ten sailors were outnumbered and if they fought back, they would have been slaughtered? There could have very well been a war between USA and Iran and NOBODY wants that. Also people discuss article 92 of the USMJ that you should not surrender. Well that is HALF TRUE but they need to study the UCMJ more(Uniform Code of Military Justice). It is permissible to surrender, if there is no other option. For example if you have an AK47 and I have a rock, it is ok in that situation for me to surrender, it is not considered treason. If I have a weapon, even if it is a pistol and I am somewhat the underdog, then it is NOT ok for me to surrender because I have a fighting chance. I am sure they did not have a fighting chance so lay off that poor LT. He did the right thing, he saved the lives of ten sailors because he was not a cowboy and if you ask me, the guy should be awarded the congressional medal of honor for saving military lives! Just my take on the situation.

 

[byebyenow]

Who are these journalists and right wing politicians who has criticized those soldiers surrendering, they are just bunch of presstitute who gets mouth fed with bunch of garbage to puke out in the broadcasters. The same so called leaders and presstitutes are nowhere to be found when there is a war but are quick to sent innocent kids to the war zones to get them killed, injured, or get them mentally disturbed while they are sitting on the high ground and speak like they are tough guys. Why those soldiers had to fight to risk their own lives and cause enormous political disturbance in the region which is already in crisis. The American boats have violated Iranian waters and Iranian had the right to seize the boats if American boats didn't surrounded and has crossed fired with Iranians that would have been considered as an attack on Iranian sovereignty by American Navy which American would be blamed for it and cause enormous tensions in the region. Those American soldiers did the right thing not to escalate the situation. Also, they said it was a technical failure that cause the American boats ended up in Iranian water, so if that was the case the American boats were traveling blindly while getting surrounded by IRIGC fast boats which American would have been in total disadvantages which wouldn't make any sense to resist the seizures. Those journalists need to criticize those who were responsible for the technical failure that put their sailors in danger rather than criticizing the sailors. There was another incident near Hawaii when two helicopters collided to each other today.