AN and the rationality of being irrational

Bong

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Oct 18, 2002
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I dont think AN's speech will necessarily work against Iran's nuclear energy program. The West has threatened Iran already and shamelessly passed a resolution to send Iran to the security council for what Iran explicitly has the right to do according to the NPT. So, it would be utterly stupid to keep on begging that they reconsider their position. Instead, what AN has done will make it harder for the west to isolate Iran in the Arab world. Arab governments mostly hate Iran anyway, but such a vocal commitment to the Palestinian cause will make it harder for them to work againist Iran vis-a-vis their OWN PEOPLE...something AN explicitly addressed in his speech: "your own people will hate you". So what is the west going to do about this? They have already threatened Iran with security council resolutions, so in fact now AN is calling their bluff..... are they going to attack Iran?

Well I am not an anti-semite.....and I dont support anti-semitism...and I think unfortunately the hatred in the islamic world of Israel has and will create anti-semitism. But being aganist "zionism" doesnt make one an anti-semite......and if its okay to hate a "Baahist" regime, a "Nazi" regime, etc... I don't see why a "Zionist" regime cannot be hated???? I dont hate the "Zionist regime" personally.....but if regime change is okay in theory, then I dont see why Blair was so goddamn constipated when he responded to AN:

"These sentiments are completely and totally unacceptable. I have never come across a situation where the president of a country says they want to wipe out another country - this is not acceptable"

After all, I remember at the begining of the Afghanistan campign, when the U.S. was bombing afghanistan, Bush came out and stated that the taliban/afghans (failed to make a distinction) should hand over "bin laden" and "we will reconsider what we are doing to your country". So in fact, although later on alot was said about reconstructing and bringing democracy to Afghanistan, in that instant the U.S. president gloated about physically destroying another country. AN said the "zionist regime" should end, he didnt say the people and the land should be destroyed, after all, where would the palestinian refugees go to then?

So...all in all...its a bad outcome for the world that things are escalating out of control, but I think AN is doing the right thing in not applying the breaks. In Game theory lingo, this is a "game" where one should strive for the dominant strategy and to seem radical and aggressive is to have the right strategy. For more info, read Thomas Schelling's (this year's noble prize winner) "Strategy of Conflict", his masterpiece.
 

shahinc

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May 8, 2005
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Bong Aziz, you have to fundemental flaws in your logic while defending AN's action.

1) support of arab world. I was going to reply to this part but our firned " MOTORI" put it the best in another thread while answering Ashtar.

MOTORI :
"BTW don't count on Arab world to hold our Pants Up!! recent history proved they are not trust worthy Allies, every single one of them backed Iraq and actively particpated on the fronts during the war and that includes our own BELOVED and MAZLOOM Palestinians (excluding Syria).
If Arab nations were so strong and supportive there wouldn't be an Israel/Palestine conflict at the first place. Don't put all your Eggs in one nest Ashtar, this AN guy has not presented a viable track record so far his words and action confirm that a High School Graduate could run the Nation better than him or at least speak in an intelligent manner."

2) US attacking Iran:

It is true that it is bluff and with the way things are going , it will not happen. However, there exsist much bigger danger to Iran and Iran's economy, Iranian people which is the world sanction. This can kill our already poor people and hurt us in a way that we will not recover for many years to come, I like you to read the below news that our firend mowj posted while back just as a tiny and small indication of what sanction can bring us :
http://www.specialisp.com/community/showthread.php?t=12886
 
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Bong

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Oct 18, 2002
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shahinc said:
Bong Aziz, you have to fundemental flaw in your logic while defending AN's action.

1) support of arab world. I was going to reply to this part but out firned " MOTORI" put it the best in another thread while answering Ashtar.

MOTORI :
"BTW don't count on Arab world to hold our Pants Up!! recent history proved they are not trust worthy Allies, every single one of them backed Iraq and actively particpated on the fronts during the war and that includes our own BELOVED and MAZLOOM Palestinians (excluding Syria).
If Arab nations were so strong and supportive there wouldn't be an Israel/Palestine conflict at the first place. Don't put all your Eggs in one nest Ashtar, this AN guy has not presented a viable track record so far his words and action confirm that a High School Graduate could run the Nation better than him or at least speak in an intelligent manner."

2) US attacking Iran:

It is true that it is bluff and with the way things are going , it will not happen. However, there exsist much bigger danger to Iran and Iran's economy, Iranian people which is the world sanction. This can kill our already poor people and hurt us in a way that we will not recover for many years to come, I like you to read the below news that our firend mowj posted while back just as a tiny and small indication of what sanction can bring us :
http://www.specialisp.com/community/showthread.php?t=12886
shahinc jan,

I agree with everything you say. (1) I dont think Arab governments are strong, but my whole point is that with what AN said, it makes it harder for them to mobilize opinion against Iran amongst their own people. The governments already hate Iran anyways, we know that.

(2) Yes I agree that there will be alot of suffering. I therefore hope that things dont get out of hand....but i admit there is going to be suffering if we demand our rights....i'm not saying we should, but if we do there is going to be suffering.
 
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