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JazzedUp

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Please don't associate Chavez with Dr.AN. He has been a very good and effective leader for Venezuela. A lot of crap is coming out of the US because they are not happy with his democratic socalist regime.

Here have a look at these items then which is focal point of his government;
  1. Venezuelan economic and political sovereignty.
  2. Grassroots political participation via popular votes and referendums
  3. Comprehensive economic self-sufficiency (in food, consumer durables, et cetera).
  4. Instilling a national sentiment of patriotic service.
  5. Equitable distribution of Venezuela's vast oil revenues.
  6. Elimination of corruption.
  7. Elimination of puntofijismo by way of constitutional reforms.
I just got this from Wikipedia if you are interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Chávez
 
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Sounds quite like AN's rhetoric. What specifically has he achieved so far?

Chavez sounds to me like a mere populist leader. Let's see if he is going to step down once his presidency term ended. I suspect a "president for life", Fidel or Ghazzafi style.
 

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deerouz said:
Sounds quite like AN's rhetoric. What specifically has he achieved so far?

Chavez sounds to me like a mere populist leader. Let's see if he is going to step down once his presidency term ended. I suspect a "president for life", Fidel or Ghazzafi style.
I'm not too sure either if he is going to step down at some point but he is extremely popular. In his work he has been quite successful to reduce poverty and actually sharing the oil revenue among people. There is a huge discontent among the rich upper class but other than that he is very popular.

Also, another reason you can not really compare him with AN is the fact that people still have freedom of expression. All media is privately owned and are constantly bashing him and his policies but you don't a lot of people going to jail for it. After the famous coup 2002 most the people involved were not even prosecuted and that shows he is very tolerant of the opposition.


I'm not saying he is the best thing since slice bread but I think he is doing very good job so far.


I don't have much more reference in front of me right now but they give a clearer picture of him and his government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_coup_attempt_of_2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_representation_of_Hugo_Chávez
 
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The leftist movements and governments that have recently been gaining momentum in Venezuela and some other south american countries are a direct response to Bush's Concentric and Idiotic treatment of all other North American countries.

He is an absolute ass and he is accelerating the decay of an already rotten culture.

From what i heard of couple of Peruvian friends that i have Chavez is not such a bad fellow.

But the Bolivian guy who recently visited Spain seems to be even more popular than Chavez. If they work for their people and their countries hats off to them.

Fuck the US and their policies.
 

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keyvan_pars said:
The leftist movements and governments that have recently been gaining momentum in Venezuela and some other south american countries are a direct response to Bush's Concentric and Idiotic treatment of all other North American countries.

He is an absolute ass and he is accelerating the decay of an already rotten culture.

From what i heard of couple of Peruvian friends that i have Chavez is not such a bad fellow.

But the Bolivian guy who recently visited Spain seems to be even more popular than Chavez. If they work for their people and their countries hats off to them.

Fuck the US and their policies.
You are quite correct. There is definitely a trend towards the socialist government in Latin America now. It all started in Brazil then Venezuela and now Chile and Bolivia and Peru.
 
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Chavez is a good guy. He's trying to help the poor and take away all the power the wealthy elite there have.
It's going to be messed up but it has to be done.
Plus it's sort of a racial political war as well, as most of the wealthy people are not native indian or mestizo, but decendants of spaniards and a few other countries with caucasian populations.
 

AMirza

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Sadam was the first to set oil fields on fire.
Fatso Jaan - There is nothing easier for a politician than to claim he/she is out to help the poor and needy !! it has been done to death !! mostly death of the poor and needy !!
 

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Agha Jazzedup,
Please add this one to your list also.

please paste and copy.
http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/may_2001/iran_venezuela_22501.htm[/URL]
 

artavile

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In short, if he was not a nationalist or a decent leader looking out after his country's interests, US gov would not want to topple him a few years ago.
 

AMirza

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Arti I disagree -
USA wants the government in Iran changed - does that mean IRI is nationalists and wants best for Iranioans ?
And don't say USA Admin wants IRI - Euros maybe - but not American Republicans - they never wanted the SHah to go - and never wanted IRI to remain in power. Sometimes us Iranians make too much out of things that are not there - or things that may have been there at some point and are no longer there !!
 
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As long as there is freedom of speech and people dont end up in prison and tortured and killed for their ideas, like they do in IR, then there is no reason not to support the guy.

After all, a good leader should care for all the people and unlike IR, not just for the rishoos.
 
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westwienmaskulin said:
A lot of Venezuelans I know, most of them coming from higher classes though, talk the same way about Chavez we talk about AN.
Exactly, only the richies hate him.
And AMirza, Chavez actually has been helping the poor. He has increased wages for people like teachers, opened up hundreds of free clinics, and provided money so they stay afloat, spread the oil money better...
As I said it may look bad at first, but I think he's doing the right thing.