Ayatollah Khamenei rejects talks with US under pressure

Hassan1980

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Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has rejected any talks with the United States under pressure and threats. “I am not a diplomat. I am a revolutionary and speak frankly, honestly, and firmly. An offer of talks makes sense only when the side [that makes the offer] shows its goodwill,” Ayatollah Khamenei said in a meeting with the officials and commanders of Iran’s Navy on Thursday. “You (the Americans) point the gun at Iran and say either negotiations or we pull the trigger! You should know that pressure and negotiations don’t go together, and the [Iranian] nation will not be intimidated by such things.” The Leader pointed out, however, that, “We, of course, understand their (the Americans’) need for negotiations, because the Middle East policy of the Americans has failed, and in order to compensate for this failure, they need to play a trump card.” Taking Iran to the negotiating table is the trump card that the US needs, Ayatollah Khamenei noted, adding that the US seeks to tell the world it has good will. “However, no one sees any goodwill.”
 

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ziAd ham bikhod nemige...

bA ye mosht sharlatn o rafigh e AlkeydA ke mozAkere kardan fayedie nadAre...they'll do whtever they have planned or ordered by their cousins anyway...

emrikayeia Aval beran oon option haye roye meez ro bokonan hamnjoyaie ke beheshoon hAl mide...and even then...are they sure they are free to decide..?..doubt it...
 
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Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has rejected any talks with the United States under pressure and threats. “I am not a diplomat. I am a revolutionary and speak frankly, honestly, and firmly. An offer of talks makes sense only when the side [that makes the offer] shows its goodwill,” Ayatollah Khamenei said in a meeting with the officials and commanders of Iran’s Navy on Thursday. “You (the Americans) point the gun at Iran and say either negotiations or we pull the trigger! You should know that pressure and negotiations don’t go together, and the [Iranian] nation will not be intimidated by such things.” The Leader pointed out, however, that, “We, of course, understand their (the Americans’) need for negotiations, because the Middle East policy of the Americans has failed, and in order to compensate for this failure, they need to play a trump card.” Taking Iran to the negotiating table is the trump card that the US needs, Ayatollah Khamenei noted, adding that the US seeks to tell the world it has good will. “However, no one sees any goodwill.”

this is prudent position for iran at this time.the "west" has shot it's wad against iran as far as sanctions and political pressure are concerned and have failed to achieve their main objective which has always been to make iran stop uranium enrichment and negotiate.in fact,iran has made several quantum jumps in their nuclear program since 2006 when they suspended enrichment for 18 months to show good will.the "west" is in a complete impasse now as far as their iranian policy is concerned.they have run out of leverage even in terms of economic sanctions.everytime they have come up with the one sanction "silver bullet" iran has managed to survive.first it was banning the sale of gasoline to iran,then it was embargo on buying iranian oil and shipping,next was the attack on iranian financial system with swift.there is nothing left other than direct military action as the "west" has threatened.it's down and dirty now and iran is calling their bluff on that threat too.iran is probably dealing in back channels with the usa and arranging a face saving scenario for obama at this time.
 
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masoudA

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ziAd ham bikhod nemige...

bA ye mosht sharlatn o rafigh e AlkeydA ke mozAkere kardan fayedie nadAre...they'll do whtever they have planned or ordered by their cousins anyway...

emrikayeia Aval beran oon option haye roye meez ro bokonan hamnjoyaie ke beheshoon hAl mide...and even then...are they sure they are free to decide..?..doubt it...
Besides - I think 2 years ago - when IR attacked the Brit Embassy in Tehran - was the time Sed Ali and his clan realized who runs USA these days, who is useless and who they should negotiate with!! For IR to negotiate with Obama is the same as if America negotiates with AN!!
 
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He does not care about Iranians and is a brutal dictator but I have no doubt he is a clever politicians. He says if Iran participate in
direct negociation US will show they have all the good cards and there fore he waits until Iran completes the nuclear program.
Beside he has learned that when Sadam cooperated with UN regarding WMD US found it easy to throw him out.
 
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looks like the ayatollah has also been briefed on the latest gallup poll on iranians support for the nuclear program.

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^^^ Absolutely nothing!!! Iran stands to gain everything and the US stands to lose some serious arms sales to Gulf Arab countries. That's why the Americans are in no hurry to wrap this thing up any time soon - at least for now. So, while IR supporters are proud that we are stranding firm in front of Imperialism, our firm looking posture is because of that baseball bat we've stuck in our own asre and keep pushing it in a little further each time we delay these negotiations.
 
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iran is defending it's right under npt.they signed npt and should enjoy all it's benefits which includes the right to enrich uranium for civilian use.besides the "west" opposition to iran's nuclear program is purely political.if they give an inch in this case the "west" would ask for more cencessions on other issues.iran is in the catbird seat now and the best they can do for the "west" is to be gracious in victory and offer them a face saving way out of their failed policies.
 

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^^^ Absolutely nothing!!! Iran stands to gain everything and the US stands to lose some serious arms sales to Gulf Arab countries. That's why the Americans are in no hurry to wrap this thing up any time soon - at least for now. So, while IR supporters are proud that we are stranding firm in front of Imperialism, our firm looking posture is because of that baseball bat we've stuck in our own asre and keep pushing it in a little further each time we delay these negotiations.
Ouch! The metaphor is much too painful.
 

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iran is defending it's right under npt.they signed npt and should enjoy all it's benefits which includes the right to enrich uranium for civilian use.besides the "west" opposition to iran's nuclear program is purely political.if they give an inch in this case the "west" would ask for more cencessions on other issues.iran is in the catbird seat now and the best they can do for the "west" is to be gracious in victory and offer them a face saving way out of their failed policies.
Have they not violated NPT's reporting requirement numerous times?
 
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^^^ Yes, they've continuously broken all protocols - not giving access to IAEA inspectors to visit Parchin is a perfect example.

Playboy, just because something is someone's right, it doesn't mean they have to exercise it when it's to their detriment. It's my right in Canada for example to go and stand over train tracks when there's a train coming, but is it wise to do so? And it's my right to go outside in -30°C winter temperatures with just a pair of shorts, but is it wise?
 
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Have they not violated NPT's reporting requirement numerous times?
it is not clear if iran has violated npt.below is a section of the congressional services report,from sep 2012, relevant to this question.even they can not conclude if iran has violated npt or not. the only action that has been taken in this regard is from the board of governors of iaea which is dominated by anti-iran members.the propaganda and party line by these forces is to say iran has violated npt but the iaea or the un security council have never come to that conclusion.

Whether Iran has violated the NPT is unclear. The treaty does not contain a mechanism for
determining that a state-party has violated its obligations. Moreover, there does not appear to be a
formal procedure for determining such violations. An NPT Review Conference would, however,
be one venue for NPT states-parties to make such a determination.
The U.N. Security Council has never declared Iran to be in violation of the NPT; neither the
council nor the U.N. General Assembly has a responsibility to adjudicate treaty violations.
However, the lack of a ruling by the council on Iran’s compliance with the NPT has apparently
had little practical effect because, as noted, the council has taken action in response to the IAEA
Board of Governors’ determination that Iran has violated its safeguards agreement.



^^^ Yes, they've continuously broken all protocols - not giving access to IAEA inspectors to visit Parchin is a perfect example.
you need to read more on npt.parchin is not a declared nuclear site hence iran is under no obligation to allow access to this site.
 

Flint

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The best line I remember from years of back and forth on this was some French official who said no civilian nuclear program can explain Iran's activities. This is perhaps the most powerful statement you can make without getting bogged down in the minutia.
 

Ardesheer

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you need to read more on npt.parchin is not a declared nuclear site hence iran is under no obligation to allow access to this site.
We went through this in the past. This is the most rediculous thing I have heard. Who declares Parchin to be a nuclear site? Let me see, IRI has never declared it to be a nuclear site, and therefore IRI has no obligation to allow access? Do you see the irony, or you just like to make arguments? The point is that they have undeclared sites, and one of them is Parchin.