Best outcome of the current events

[ashtar]

I'm curious to know what is the best outcome of the current events that people are hoping for.

1. Khamenei will agree to hold another election and Mousavi wins this time. You think Ahmadinejad supporters will accept this result? What if they take to the streets with their guns and dispute the 2nd result as a coup and a sham? Then at best you'll have the police and army on your side and they will get in to a armed fight with the Sepah and Basij and we'll have a civil war in Iran (which may or may not lead to the break up of Iran in to different countries).

2. Khamenei agrees to hold another election and Ahmadinejad wins again and Mousavi supporters will again dispute it and we will be back at square one with demonstrations towards an unclear goal.

3. Khamenei and GC don't agree to re-elections and say the current result stands. Then we'll have 4 possibilities:

a. demonstrations eventually calm down and end and a few innocent people would have been killed or injured without any gain.

b. demonstrations continue and at best army and police start joining the demonstrators which will take us back to the possibility of the civil war in number one.

c. demonstrations continue and by some miracle all the armed forces side with the Mousavi camp and execute Ahmadinejad, Khamenei and their supporters. A sort of a political vacuum will be created which will be filled by Mousavi as president and Rafsanjani or the Expediency Council as the temporary supreme leader.

d. demonstrations continue and by some miracle all the armed forces side with Mousavi and get rid of Khamenei and his camp and then Mousavi turns around and gets rid of the Islamic Republic which he fought to stablish and will instead invite all the foreign opposition groups to come to Iran and have another election to see who and what type of government should be in charge of Iran.

 

[Bache Tehroon]

3:

e. demonstrations continue on and off. AN's government is not recognized as Iran's government by world-powers. A revolution in the making starts to shape up. Civil conflicts occur with minor violence and turn into political wars. A democratic system will be agreed upon by the parties involved. Under international supervision, an election is held. A new form of government (most likely Republic) will be formed.

 

[Farsi Zaban]

Another straw man argument. Your set up your own scenarios and we'll have to pick from the options? No, thank you.

 

[Bache Tehroon]

on another note,

Please stop replying to threads with obvious agendas. Just focus on ongoing issues.

Let this be the last reply please. I'm asking you, please. For the love of our nation.

 

[Farsi Zaban]

BT, it's not a bad idea to point out the obvious fallacies in their arguments. It doesn't take more than a few seconds. Especially if you see their posts in foreign blogs.

 

[Simply Ken]

All the likely outcomes will be quite bad. The most likely outcome is that we will have a much closed society and we won't see the kind of election campaign we saw this time. That we will some repression again, something that belonged much more to IRI's past under the same figures now carrying the mantle of "change" than what we have seen lately. And, more worrying than all, that we will see an Iran weakened as a result from the anarchy and political struggle within, much less capable of standing up to the demands and pressures planned against it by outsiders. The latter making Iran's enemies far more happy about the post-election events than if either Mousavi or Ahamdinejad had won and everyone respected the choice made.

The unlikely, but best, outcome, would be a realization that to have genuine democracy under rule of law, the minority need to respect the wishes of the majority and not try to impose their views on the rest of society. But that the majority will also need to realize that it cannot have stable governance unless it gives due attention and proper respect for the basic minimum rights of all citizens, even those who are a minority.

My demand as a westernized Iranian is not to impose my cultural preferences on the rest of the nation, but I do wish that the rest of the nation give me legal protection for some basic minimum rights. We right now have de facto recognition of some of those rights and privacies, but legally, the situation is far from ideal.

 

[IPride]

The best outcome has already taken place:

The regime has been put on an accelerated path to destruction. Taboos have been broken.
Now everyone knows its not that hard to put a demonstration together and get INTERNATIONAL coverage.
Now everyone knows if they work together they can cause serious damage to the oppressors. They can throw riot police off their bikes, give them a good beating and set their bikes ablaze.
Now the world knows what this regime is really up to.

Now those who had doubts about the intentions of the likes of Ahmadinejad, Khamenei and the Sepah are no longer sitting on the fence.

I would say the Iranian people has won so far.

 

[Zob Ahan]

I like the option where Khamenei and AN are executed. Can I have some fries with that.

 

[Ramin]

I'm curious to know what is the best outcome of the current events that people are hoping for.

1. Khamenei will agree to hold another election and Mousavi wins this time. You think Ahmadinejad supporters will accept this result? What if they take to the streets with their guns and dispute the 2nd result as a coup and a sham? Then at best you'll have the police and army on your side and they will get in to a armed fight with the Sepah and Basij and we'll have a civil war in Iran (which may or may not lead to the break up of Iran in to different countries).

2. Khamenei agrees to hold another election and Ahmadinejad wins again and Mousavi supporters will again dispute it and we will be back at square one with demonstrations towards an unclear goal.

3. Khamenei and GC don't agree to re-elections and say the current result stands. Then we'll have 4 possibilities:

a. demonstrations eventually calm down and end and a few innocent people would have been killed or injured without any gain.

b. demonstrations continue and at best army and police start joining the demonstrators which will take us back to the possibility of the civil war in number one.

c. demonstrations continue and by some miracle all the armed forces side with the Mousavi camp and execute Ahmadinejad, Khamenei and their supporters. A sort of a political vacuum will be created which will be filled by Mousavi as president and Rafsanjani or the Expediency Council as the temporary supreme leader.

d. demonstrations continue and by some miracle all the armed forces side with Mousavi and get rid of Khamenei and his camp and then Mousavi turns around and gets rid of the Islamic Republic which he fought to stablish and will instead invite all the foreign opposition groups to come to Iran and have another election to see who and what type of government should be in charge of Iran.

The ideal outcome is that the animals of the Islamic Republic of Iran will face trial for their crimes against humanity.

 

[lordofmordor]

What is certain and we learned that from the American election is we cannot let fear run us and just keep the current regime in place any longer.

5. People will overthrow the government the way they did shah, overtaking and disbanning Basijis, pasdaran, and arresting the supreme leader, GCC and other leadership members. That is after a group of people die. The army takes over and protects the new republic. Mousavi becomes temporary president with election scheduled where everyone including Shah's son can participate. The member of current regime will be put on a fair trial based on international laws with jury, etc...

There will be no more king positions such as the supreme leader.

The country might disband but that is the fault of the regime and their supporters oppressing Iranians for 30 years.

 

[lordofmordor]

Simply Ken, the regime had 30 years to respect the right of everyone and allow others to participate, but they only supported the right of the minority of the people. Many intellectuals were killed, tortured and imprisoned.

And the regime supporters did not voice any concern and just supported the way and it was.

Majority voted for khatami in large numbers, but the regime and their supporters made him a weak duck and instead arrested journalist, closed down papers and put Ganji and many others in prison, not to mention 1999 student crackdown. instead the regime put AN in office and closed the noose.

Where were the voices calling on regime to respect the right of all? Where were the voices telling the regime to stop torturing, imprisoning and killing the people? Where were the voice telling the regime to disban the basijis and stop them from harassing people who wanted their most basic freedoms.

Where were the voices calling for the right of people to be respected until now? We made revolution against shah for democracy and the regime stole it. Where were the voices of the supporters of the regime asking their regime to give right to everyone?

 

[masoudA]

First and Foremost -
The Iranian population is already a winner - since they made it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR and beyond any shadow of doubt that they despise IRI. Therefore, as far as the world is concerned Iranian people have now officialy seperated themselves from the mullhas - and thank God for that.

Second -
The best possible outcome is a Secular Democracy - and I am certain we will get there now. Even if IRI puts off this particular uprising - they can't survive much longer.

 

[Abedzaadeh]

Best Scenario:

Election held again moussavi wins and Rahbar will order Sepah to keep Basij and the rest of Ahmadineds thuggish supporters in check. If Rahbar fails to comply khobregan to deal with him.

Simplistic I know...

 

[Farbod (ADC)]

4. Freedom.

 

[Javeed]

Ashtar's conclusion: My hero is the best people can get so shut up.

 

[Iranpaak]

The best outcome IMHO is to declare no one as the winner, form an independent body with foreign observers to go over the process of collecting and counting of votes and alleged irregularities quickly. The process should be transparent and the people should be kept informed of the progress. Both parties should agree to abide by the arbitration and accept the results. Let the chips fall where they may.

 

[mowj]

As expected Vali Vaghih after thinking he wrapped up the sham selection is facing with the back lash of his Coup D'etat, putting it nicely had to eat his own previous day words and call for an investigation (my foot). An investigation that its conclusion is as obviuos as the stolen election in the first place.
This is a trick by militarist religous fascists to shake off the massive people response and to reorganize for a massive brutal crack down. With the ballot boxes under the control of militarist religous fascists Mafia for days now, with 14 millions additional ballots printed but were not provided when needed, with Mesbah's Fatwa for rigging votes in favour of little AN, and on and on .....
I have a few suggestions

1. Nothing should be acceptable to the brave people of Iran but a new election with international observers in addition to candidates supervisory throughout the process.

2. At minimum, the Vali Vaghih must be disqualified and put on trial for participation in Coup D'etat against people of Iran and the state.

3. The IRGC members and basijis who participated in this coup must also be put on public trial for participation in a Coup against the people and state.

4. From AN, the liar little dictator, down to the Mahsouli theif of treasury, to Kordan the diploma thief among others down to ShariatMadari the Vali vaghih's mouth piece, Hosseinian (murderer of Frouhars and ...) Ayato-heytan Temsah yazdui for fatwa of cheating among other fatwa to murder opposition and provincial governors all must be put on public trial otherwise this coup will go on with a sham investigation by same criminals who instigated the coup and backed off with their pants wet.


And above all, the demontrations should go on... that is what forced the Coup paticipants to wake up from their dreams and observe a nightmare heroic people of Iran prepared for them.


Long live Democratic Republic of Iran
Long live people of Iran
marg bar taleban, cheh dar Kabol cheh dar tehran

 

[mowj]

بیانیه هفت ماده***ای

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• بیانیه ای که در راهپیمایی روز دوشنبه بین مردم پخش شد​

١- خلع ید از خامنه ای بخاطر دارا نبودن شرط رهبر عادل
٢- خلع ید ازاحمدی نژاد بخاطر غصب غیر قانونی مقام ریاست جمهوری
٣- رهبری موقت آیت الله العظمی منتظری تا تشکیل کمیته بازنگری به قانون اساسی
٤- برسمیت شناختن موسوی بعنوان رییس جمهور منتخب مردم
٥- تشکیل دولت توسط موسوی و فراهم کردن مقدمات اصلاح قانون اساسی
٦- آزادی فوری وبدون قید وشرط همه زندانیان سیاسی با هرگونه مرام وعقیده
٧- انحلال فوری کلیه ارگانهای علنی و مخفی سرکوب نظیر گشت ارشاد​

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[kambujiyeh]

I'm curious to know what is the best outcome of the current events that people are hoping for.

1. Khamenei will agree to hold another election and Mousavi wins this time. You think Ahmadinejad supporters will accept this result? What if they take to the streets with their guns and dispute the 2nd result as a coup and a sham? Then at best you'll have the police and army on your side and they will get in to a armed fight with the Sepah and Basij and we'll have a civil war in Iran (which may or may not lead to the break up of Iran in to different countries).

2. Khamenei agrees to hold another election and Ahmadinejad wins again and Mousavi supporters will again dispute it and we will be back at square one with demonstrations towards an unclear goal.

3. Khamenei and GC don't agree to re-elections and say the current result stands. Then we'll have 4 possibilities:

a. demonstrations eventually calm down and end and a few innocent people would have been killed or injured without any gain.

b. demonstrations continue and at best army and police start joining the demonstrators which will take us back to the possibility of the civil war in number one.

c. demonstrations continue and by some miracle all the armed forces side with the Mousavi camp and execute Ahmadinejad, Khamenei and their supporters. A sort of a political vacuum will be created which will be filled by Mousavi as president and Rafsanjani or the Expediency Council as the temporary supreme leader.

d. demonstrations continue and by some miracle all the armed forces side with Mousavi and get rid of Khamenei and his camp and then Mousavi turns around and gets rid of the Islamic Republic which he fought to stablish and will instead invite all the foreign opposition groups to come to Iran and have another election to see who and what type of government should be in charge of Iran.

LOOOL Dr Spin for the Ishalic Republic is hard at work.

 

[Niloufar]

The best outcome has already taken place:

The regime has been put on an accelerated path to destruction. Taboos have been broken.
Now everyone knows its not that hard to put a demonstration together and get INTERNATIONAL coverage.
Now everyone knows if they work together they can cause serious damage to the oppressors. They can throw riot police off their bikes, give them a good beating and set their bikes ablaze.
Now the world knows what this regime is really up to.

Now those who had doubts about the intentions of the likes of Ahmadinejad, Khamenei and the Sepah are no longer sitting on the fence.

I would say the Iranian people has won so far.

no1 could say it better. Perfectly put.