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Khabalood

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Where do you get these so called "facts" doctors and hospitals make $40 k per case? if what you say is true there would be hundreds of doctors that have become billionaires because of covid.
It's in the US covid relief legislation called the CARES Act. Doctors and hospitals can charge a 20% premium for China virus patients. According to a US Senator those figures result in 13,000 for a diagnosis per patient and 39,000 if they declare a patient has died as a result of the China virus. So essentially the medical professionals are being incentivized financially to play along with this scheme.
 

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For us laymen though, the only escape is the vaccine. This thing kills.
You're quoting the PR line used to market the vax. Sure, big pharma wants us to believe that, especially after censoring information of all alternative and better treatment. I would argue that the vaccine is neither necessary or the best effective treatment. Check this out:

https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/AFLDS-10-Facts-Experimental-Vaccine-Cole-4-12-21.pdf?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Doctors+Uncensored:+Bringing+You+The+Truth&utm_campaign=20210427_m162999063_VJ+4+21+2021+Tulsa&utm_term=Cole_Ten_Facts_PNG_3F1619493747

A few weeks ago, a girl in Ontario called funeral homes throughout the whole province to determine if they saw a spike in deaths in the last year as a result of the china virus. She video taped the responses. The results were some reported the same amount of business or less than the previous year. Conclusion, the china virus is not causing the mass deaths the TV would have you believe it is. Now you could try conducting the same test for yourself to see if there has been a major death spike or not. After all the bodies must go somewhere right. They can't just disappear into thin air.
 

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Imagine a scenario where thousands of clinical specialists from around the world have conspired to force millions of people into getting a vaccine that will cause genocide :D

And what is more, there is this whistleblower who is more expert than all of them put together and decides to reveal all about how the vaccine is going to kill you. :D
You can stop imaging now https://worlddoctorsalliance.com Not one whistleblower but many thousands of honest doctors.
 
You're quoting the PR line used to market the vax. Sure, big pharma wants us to believe that, especially after censoring information of all alternative and better treatment. I would argue that the vaccine is neither necessary or the best effective treatment. Check this out:

https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/AFLDS-10-Facts-Experimental-Vaccine-Cole-4-12-21.pdf?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Doctors+Uncensored:+Bringing+You+The+Truth&utm_campaign=20210427_m162999063_VJ+4+21+2021+Tulsa&utm_term=Cole_Ten_Facts_PNG_3F1619493747

A few weeks ago, a girl in Ontario called funeral homes throughout the whole province to determine if they saw a spike in deaths in the last year as a result of the china virus. She video taped the responses. The results were some reported the same amount of business or less than the previous year. Conclusion, the china virus is not causing the mass deaths the TV would have you believe it is. Now you could try conducting the same test for yourself to see if there has been a major death spike or not. After all the bodies must go somewhere right. They can't just disappear into thin air.
Fair enough. Let me be anecdotal and you tell me what I should think:

3 of my relatives and 2 family friends all died of covid (none older than 70 years old)

Every person I know has more or less 2-3 relatives that died of covid.

All my aunts and uncles without exception contracted the virus and 2 of them ended up in ICU. One of them we had almost given up on.

Of the men I play pickup soccer with, 8 contracted the virus. 2 of them ended up in ICU (in Toronto).

I have no doubt many deaths were wrongly attributed to Covid either due to medical idiocy or simple laziness. Even then, the anecdotal evidence is enough for me to be scared shitless of this thing infecting my parents or elderly relatives and killing them.
 

Khabalood

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Fair enough. Let me be anecdotal and you tell me what I should think:

3 of my relatives and 2 family friends all died of covid (none older than 70 years old)

Every person I know has more or less 2-3 relatives that died of covid.

All my aunts and uncles without exception contracted the virus and 2 of them ended up in ICU. One of them we had almost given up on.

Of the men I play pickup soccer with, 8 contracted the virus. 2 of them ended up in ICU (in Toronto).

I have no doubt many deaths were wrongly attributed to Covid either due to medical idiocy or simple laziness. Even then, the anecdotal evidence is enough for me to be scared shitless of this thing infecting my parents or elderly relatives and killing them.
That's horrible. Sorry for your loses. I donno bro, I don't have all the answers. I just research stuff and don't trust propaganda sources. Also it isn't my place to tell you what to think. Thinking and coming to your own conclusions is your job.

I can only tell you what I know and my own opinion...for now at least until I get censored or the gestapo drags me off to the concentration camps Trudeau is building.

I don't know the health details of your friends and family. I do know that Toronto Health admitted to falsifying and inflating the number of people who had died due to the China virus. This was a major news story carried on Rebel news channel citing a post by Official Toronto Health on Twitter. So we know Toronto Health are self admitted liars and falsely attributing the china virus as the cause of death where it isn't. Next we have world renown pathologists like Dr. Alexov who suggest we look at an autopsy before we conclude that a patient died FROM the china virus and not due to other causes while having the virus. So if you really want to see how deadly the virus is among the people you know, I would look at the autopsies.

Lots of cases doesn't mean anything when they use the PCR test which has a 90% false positive rate and they cycle the specimen 40 times. Also what are they comparing the specimen to since the government admits they couldn't isolate the virus? The cases story doesn't make sense. I believe you when you say people got sick. Proving they have the same thing is a different story in my opinion.
 

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That's horrible. Sorry for your loses. I donno bro, I don't have all the answers. I just research stuff and don't trust propaganda sources. Also it isn't my place to tell you what to think. Thinking and coming to your own conclusions is your job.

I can only tell you what I know and my own opinion...for now at least until I get censored or the gestapo drags me off to the concentration camps Trudeau is building.

I don't know the health details of your friends and family. I do know that Toronto Health admitted to falsifying and inflating the number of people who had died due to the China virus. This was a major news story carried on Rebel news channel citing a post by Official Toronto Health on Twitter. So we know Toronto Health are self admitted liars and falsely attributing the china virus as the cause of death where it isn't. Next we have world renown pathologists like Dr. Alexov who suggest we look at an autopsy before we conclude that a patient died FROM the china virus and not due to other causes while having the virus. So if you really want to see how deadly the virus is among the people you know, I would look at the autopsies.

Lots of cases doesn't mean anything when they use the PCR test which has a 90% false positive rate and they cycle the specimen 40 times. Also what are they comparing the specimen to since the government admits they couldn't isolate the virus? The cases story doesn't make sense. I believe you when you say people got sick. Proving they have the same thing is a different story in my opinion.
Just want to know your source for the false positive rate of PCR test .... put some articles here.

Molecular tests (also called PCR tests, viral RNA tests, nucleic acid tests)

How is it done? Nasal swabs, throat swabs, and tests of saliva or other bodily fluids.

Where can you get this test? At a hospital, in a medical office, in your car, or even at home. The FDA has authorized a home molecular test that requires no prescription.

What does the test look for? Molecular tests look for genetic material that comes only from the virus.

How long does it take to get results? It depends on lab capacity. Results may be ready within hours, but often take at least a day or two. Much longer turnaround times are reported in many places.

What about accuracy? The rate of false negatives — a test that says you don’t have the virus when you actually do have the virus — varies depending on how long infection has been present: in one study, the false-negative rate was 20% when testing was performed five days after symptoms began, but much higher (up to 100%) earlier in infection.

The false positive rate — that is, how often the test says you have the virus when you actually do not — should be close to zero. Most false-positive results are thought to be due to lab contamination or other problems with how the lab has performed the test, not limitations of the test itself.
 

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Just want to know your source for the false positive rate of PCR test .... put some articles here
Well first we should start with some background on the PCR test. From the mouth of the creator of the test, it can be used to amplify any molecule to appear to show something in the body in numbers that doesn't exist. It was never meant for diagnosis.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/wOSeTz57xrCF/

That's not even the best video of him blasting the PCR test for diagnosis. There are better clips available (I have seen them), but harder to find due to censorship. It should be noted that the creator of the PCR test died (coincidence right?) shortly before this whole china virus fiasco took off, so he can't speak out about the china virus by name.

Now onto the china virus itself. The short answer is that the virus has never been isolated, causative association has never been proven. For proof of this read the last link. Since they don't know what they are looking for an only amplifying existing molecules the percentage of false positives depends on how many cycles they run the test for. The more cycles the higher the false rate. Proof: https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/

"In case of virus detection, >35 cycles only detects signals which do not correlate with infectious virus as determined by isolation in cell culture [reviewed in 2]; if someone is tested by PCR as positive when a threshold of 35 cycles or higher is used (as is the case in most laboratories in Europe & the US), the probability that said person is actually infected is less than 3%, the probability that said result is a false positive is 97% [reviewed in 3]"

Now you're probably wondering how many cycles your local government is running their tests. Here is the information for each province in Canada. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S138665322030175X The lowest cycle number is 35 so the minimum false case rate is 97%.

Previously I said 90% false. That should have been 97% false tests or higher. My bad.

There is an excellent article about the PCR test on this site https://www.globalresearch.ca/natio...y-fraudulent-epidemic-false-positives/5720271 which I STRONGLY STRONGLY, suggest all read fully because it is much better than the small part I post below. It goes into great depth on virus isolation and describes exactly how meaningless the PCR test results are. Below I posted some snippets of the article because the whole thing is too long to post.

No proof for the RNA being of viral origin

Now the question is: What is required first for virus isolation/proof? We need to know where the RNA for which the PCR tests are calibrated comes from.

As textbooks (e.g., White/Fenner. Medical Virology, 1986, p. 9) as well as leading virus researchers such as Luc Montagnier or Dominic Dwyer state, particle purification — i.e. the separation of an object from everything else that is not that object, as for instance Nobel laureate Marie Curie purified 100 mg of radium chloride in 1898 by extracting it from tons of pitchblende — is an essential pre-requisite for proving the existence of a virus, and thus to prove that the RNA from the particle in question comes from a new virus.

The reason for this is that PCR is extremely sensitive, which means it can detect even the smallest pieces of DNA or RNA — but it cannot determine where these particles came from. That has to be determined beforehand.

Because the PCR tests are calibrated for gene sequences (in this case RNA sequences because SARS-CoV-2 is believed to be a RNA virus), we have to know that these gene snippets are part of the looked-for virus. And to know that, correct isolation and purification of the presumed virus has to be executed.

Hence, we have asked the science teams of the relevant papers which are referred to in the context of SARS-CoV-2 for proof whether the electron-microscopic shots depicted in their in vitro experiments show purified viruses.

But not a single team could answer that question with “yes” — and nobody said purification was not a necessary step. We only got answers like “No, we did not obtain an electron micrograph showing the degree of purification.”

We asked several study authors “Do your electron micrographs show the purified virus?”, they gave the following responses:

Study 1: Leo L. M. Poon; Malik Peiris. “Emergence of a novel human coronavirus threatening human health,” Nature Medicine, March 2020​
Replying Author: Malik Peiris​
Date: May 12, 2020​
Answer: “The image is the virus budding from an infected cell. It is not purified virus.”​
Study 2: Myung-Guk Han et al. “Identification of Coronavirus Isolated from a Patient in Korea with COVID-19,” Osong Public Health and Research Perspectives, February 2020​
Replying Author: Myung-Guk Han​
Date: May 6, 2020​
Answer: “We could not estimate the degree of purification because we do not purify and concentrate the virus cultured in cells.”​
Study 3: Wan Beom Park et al. “Virus Isolation from the First Patient with SARS-CoV-2 in Korea,” Journal of Korean Medical Science, February 24, 2020​
Replying Author: Wan Beom Park​
Date: March 19, 2020​
Answer: “We did not obtain an electron micrograph showing the degree of purification.”​
Study 4: Na Zhu et al., “A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China,” 2019, New England Journal of Medicine, February 20, 2020​
Replying Author: Wenjie Tan​
Date: March 18, 2020​
Answer: “[We show] an image of sedimented virus particles, not purified ones.”​
Regarding the mentioned papers it is clear that what is shown in the electron micrographs (EMs) is the end result of the experiment, meaning there is no other result that they could have made EMs from.

That is to say, if the authors of these studies concede that their published EMs do not show purified particles, then they definitely do not possess purified particles claimed to be viral.

[In this context, it has to be remarked that some researchers use the term “isolation” in their papers, but the procedures described therein do not represent a proper isolation (purification) process. Consequently, in this context the term “isolation” is misused.]

Thus, the authors of four of the principal, early 2020 papers claiming discovery of a new coronavirus concede they had no proof that the origin of the virus genome was viral-like particles or cellular debris, pure or impure, or particles of any kind. In other words, the existence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA is based on faith, not fact.

We have also contacted Dr Charles Calisher, who is a seasoned virologist. In 2001, Science published an “impassioned plea… to the younger generation” from several veteran virologists, among them Calisher, saying that:

[Modern virus detection methods like] “sleek polymerase chain reaction… tell little or nothing about how a virus multiplies, which animals carry it, [or] how it makes people sick. [It is] like trying to say whether somebody has bad breath by looking at his fingerprint..” [3]​
And that’s why we asked Dr Calisher whether he knows one single paper in which SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and finally really purified. His answer:

“I know of no such a publication. I have kept an eye out for one.” [4]​
This actually means that one cannot conclude that the RNA gene sequences, which the scientists took from the tissue samples prepared in the mentioned in vitro trials and for which the PCR tests are finally being “calibrated,” belong to a specific virus — in this case SARS-CoV-2.
 
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Khabalood

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Finally if you get to the bottom of the article you find this gem of a quote from the CDC:

All this fits with the fact that the CDC and the FDA, for instance, concede in their files that the “SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR tests” are not suitable for SARS-CoV-2 diagnosis.

In the “CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel” file from March 30, 2020, for example, it says:
“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms.”​
And:​
“This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.”​
And the FDA admits that: “positive results… do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease.”

They admit that the results are false and then use the fake case numbers to strip people of their freedom and trick them into getting a experimental medical treatment. The whole thing stinks.
 

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So the premise the writer wants us to accept is that it is okay that the PCR test detects fragments of the common cold that everyone has had not the actual china virus. And it is also okay to pass off those fragments by inflating the number of them through amplification cycles that actual experts state provides a false test rate of over 97% as the china virus.

I guarantee you didn't read a single thing I posted previously and just went looking for some propaganda counterpoint that supports your position. Dude, I posted three academic sources/journal papers that cited over 20 specialists that were working on actually isolating the virus in addition to the CDC and the creator of the PCR test and you outright ignored all of it.

How do I know you ignored it all? Because if you read it, you would have the knowledge to understand how stupid this mcgill article actually is. My previous post disproves every contention made in the mcgill article in great detail.
 
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So the premise the writer wants us to accept is that it is okay that the PCR test detects fragments of the common cold that everyone has had not the actual china virus. And it is also okay to pass off those fragments by inflating the number of them through amplification cycles that actual experts state provides a false test rate of over 97% as the china virus.

I guarantee you didn't read a single thing I posted previously and just went looking for some propaganda counterpoint that supports your position. Dude, I posted three academic sources/journal papers that cited over 20 specialists that were working on actually isolating the virus in addition to the CDC and the creator of the PCR test and you outright ignored all of it.

How do I know you ignored it all? Because if you read it, you would have the knowledge to understand how stupid this mcgill article actually is. My previous post disproves every contention made in the mcgill article in great detail.
Being in academia directly or indirectly, I would just know what is sound and what is not. This is not my field but the article you sent me is just not scientific.
https://medika.life/the-complete-dummies-guide-to-covid-pcr-testing-for-conspiracy-fans/

PCR testing has become the poster child of Covid conspiracy theorists. It’s their defacto fallback when launching an attack on the very real dangers the coronavirus poses. If they attended rallies, probably next on their twisted to-do lists, PCR slogans would adorn their billboards and T-shirts.
Now while we realize that the anti-vaxxers, conspiracy, and anti-covid clans are for the most part indistinguishable and driven by the same misguided psychology, they nonetheless pose a risk to public health and must be addressed.
Their tactics are simple. Like a circling pack of hyenas, they will identify the weakest member in their targeted group and focus their attack on that individual. In the world of Covid, they seem, for some unfathomable reason to have settled on the PCR test.
I say unfathomable because the PCR test is in fact not the weakest link in the pandemic chain. Not by a long shot. It does however suffer from a critical flaw they’ve exploited. It is complicated. It is also prone to human error, but not in the way they would have you believe. It is more likely to return a false negative than a false positive result
To understand exactly how PCR tests work, you need, if you are a layman, to do a reasonably deep dive into the scientific world to form an understanding of the mechanisms and reliability of the process. Most people don’t and it’s for this reason the test has been earmarked.
It’s easy to discredit PCR with an article composed of a few pages of pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo and the average reader would be none the wiser. The scientist would see through the lies and the intelligent reader would seek alternate reliable sources to validate the article.
As the pandemic has progressed, the term ‘reliable’ has become vague. Real science, evidence-based, tried and tested data, has become something of a rare beast. Hard to find, amidst the sea of misinformation and conspiracy-driven drivel that floods the digital world.
If we publish an article discrediting conspiracy theorists, the author’s defenders go for the jugular, using their tool of choice. The PCR test. It’s their absolute favorite and they will quote all sorts of nonsense or take existing science and misinterpret it to the point it becomes unrecognizable.
So, rather than waste hours of precious time answering these misguided souls, we chose to write this article to explain, in plain English, why PCR tests are in fact, extremely reliable.
 

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It's in the US covid relief legislation called the CARES Act. Doctors and hospitals can charge a 20% premium for China virus patients. According to a US Senator those figures result in 13,000 for a diagnosis per patient and 39,000 if they declare a patient has died as a result of the China virus. So essentially the medical professionals are being incentivized financially to play along with this scheme.
Can you provide a reputable source? Also, what about the doctors in India? are they making money from reporting the thousands of cases and deaths every day? India is in middle of a health catastrophe because of covid or as you like to call it a simple flu.
 
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the 'human rights' mob are being exposed with covid-19.
bill gates is happy to hire slaves in india to run his empire
but he does not want to give them the formula to vaccines
that can save their lives.

if the 'first world' really cared about people they would
do away with the intellectual property rights and let all
vaccine producing countries to make their own and save
lives :eek:

Bill Gates Chooses Corporate Patent Rights Over Human Lives

Chief among them has been billionaire Bill Gates who last weekend used an appearance on Britain’s Sky News to explain why the various recipes for vaccines currently held by drug companies should not, in fact, be shared so that production and distribution can increase. Asked directly by Sky’s Sophy Ridge if he thought changing patent restrictions “would be helpful,” Gates answered with a quick and curt “no,” before continuing:

“Well, there’s only so many vaccine factories in the world, and people are very serious about the safety of vaccines. And so moving something that had never been done — moving a vaccine from, say, a [Johnson & Johnson] factory into a factory in India — it’s novel. It’s only because of our grants and our expertise that can happen at all. The thing that’s holding things back in this case is not intellectual property. There’s not like some idle vaccine factory, with regulatory approval, that makes magically safe vaccines. You know, you’ve got to do the trials on these things, and every manufacturing process has to be looked at in a very careful way.”​


https://jacobinmag.com/2021/04/bill-gates-vaccines-intellectual-property-covid-patents
 
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Can you provide a reputable source? Also, what about the doctors in India? are they making money from reporting the thousands of cases and deaths every day? India is in middle of a health catastrophe because of covid or as you like to call it a simple flu.
The question of medicare add-on payment of 20% for COVID-19 patients is not new at all, it all started back in April 2020 and is true (not a question raised by brainwashed Fart-Right hAjees on Foxnews)!

The question is if hospitals (Doctors) are intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons or not, which I think the do. Check it out here!
We're talking big big money here, the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators is true.
I wouldn't hesitate for a sec. to VAX meself when my turn is on!

Get yourself VAXed ASAP ¡Todas i Todos mis compañeras!
 
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I don't want to overwhelm anyone so I'll just post a few things that I think you friends here may find of interest, which relate directly to the China virus.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/4u7rt61YeGox/

Scroll down to the first video by Delores Cahill wherein this world expert describes the dangers of this China virus experimental treatment.
I think the only difference between attitudes for some of the really nice, lovely folk in this forum is that many of them know fit, healthy people who have got sick or died from COVID-19, and by simple odds, others don't. Once you yourself go to hospital for oxygen as a healthy person in your thirties, or know family members who died from this, it might become a different ballgame even if you are the most hardcore anti-SJW or anti-woke populist who doesn't trust the "mainstream media".

If it wasn't such a nightmare, then we would have more people, whom are disenfranchised by mainsteam media like everyone else is, veering towards sites like BITCHUTE which seem to almost be proud about their reputation: "BitChute is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hateful content."

I have no doubt whatsoever that other lovely members of this forum would be veering towards unscientific quackery too. Like the webmaster on the other site who calls this virus a hoax because he was driving to graveyards and not seeing the "piles of bodies" he was expecting, so was also going to these phenomenally professional websites of doctors/scientists talking about Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin [/s]

Kinda sad to think about isn't it. ...


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^ I really wonder those who think VAX got "CHIPS" in them, do they realize the COMPLEXITY of a "chip" that can pass through a needle and be able to power itself inside you AND communicate with 5G Cell Tower? like seriously, for the love of humanity and sanity, do some research !!!
 

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^ I really wonder those who think VAX got "CHIPS" in them, do they realize the COMPLEXITY of a "chip" that can pass through a needle and be able to power itself inside you AND communicate with 5G Cell Tower? like seriously, for the love of humanity and sanity, do some research !!!
They did! The problem is their "research". 5 minutes on youtube.
 
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