Couple of Interesting Pieces of News from Europe!!

masoudA

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Be careful world.....

In Cyprus - the banks have suddenly and overnight enforced a 6.5% tax on all saving accounts!!! It appears the laws have not been finalized yet....
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=218812&findnew#new


In England - Press Regulation Reform
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21824583

This could be good news or very bad news. The so called free press in the money driven capitalist America is pretty much dead......maybe the Brits can find a way to limit power of the mighty capital on news media. At the same time, nothing good generaly comes out of governments trying to reform and regulate the press.
 
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This Cyprus thing is a disaster. Apparently the Daily Mail called it "bank robbery" yesterday and there's all sorts of commotion, not just inside Cyprus but in all of Europe, that this will undermine the deposit guarantee scheme they're trying to complete in the next few months and sets a very dangerous precedence (indeed for all of us), that when governments fail to do what they're supposed to do and bondholders fail to take losses like they're supposed to, then your hard-earned, supposedly safe deposits in the bank can simple be raided to pay for these losses! But then again, we've sort of paid for all these bail-outs and economic stimuli in some way - it just wasn't as obvious a robbery as this one is!!!
 

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How Russia Could Take Revenge Over Cyprus Deal
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Germany might be telling the world not to blame it for Cyprus' bailout plan, but one analyst told CNBC that Russia could avenge the loss of billions of dollars it has invested and deposited on the island by cutting Germany's energy supply.

Vladimir Putin. (AP Photo/RIA-Novosti, Mikhail Klimentyev, Presidential Press Service) …As the Cypriot parliament prepares to vote on a controversial and unprecedented proposal to levy a tax on bank accounts held on the island, the deal has been described as a covert move by Germany and its euro zone partners to tackle what they perceive as Russian money laundering in Cyprus .

Twenty percent of total deposits of the Cypriot banking system are held by Russians and many Russian businesses are registered in Cyprus, making any plan to levy a 15.6 percent tax on deposits over 100,000 a moot point for Russia. The country has also given Cyprus a $3.3 billion loan that Cyprus wishes to extend.

(Read More: 'Unfair, Dangerous' Cyprus Deal Whacks Rich Russians )

Russia's leaders have already condemned the European bank levy proposal, with President Vladimir Putin calling it "unfair, unprofessional and dangerous" on Monday. On Tuesday, Russian Prime Minister Dimitry Medvedev added to the growing Russian frustration over the move. "Quite strange and controversial decisions [are] being made by some EU member states. I mean Cyprus. Frankly speaking, this looks like the confiscation of other people's money," Medvedev said on Monday.

Steve Keen, professor of Economics & Finance at the University of Western Sydney, told CNBC that Russia could retaliate against the perceived proxy attack on its citizens, and their money.

"If you try to target the Russians, and there's President Putin acting under the image of the 'strong man' of Russia, why would he not then decide to shut down gas supplies to Germany until that was righted?

(Read More: Cyprus President Is a 'Fool:' Gartman )

"If you're going to attack money laundering then attack it directly, don't make Cypriot peasants and small businessmen collateral in your campaign against Russian oligarchs. Declare the campaign rather than doing it under the carpet like this too," he added.

"Russia has been willing to play that card before," Keen said, alluding to when Russia's largest state-owned gas and oil supplier Gazprom reduced gas supplies to Europe in 2009 during a dispute with an Ukrainian energy company.

With 36 percent of Europe relying on Russia for its gas supply, the threat or act of limiting supplies gives Russia a powerful card to play should it wish to push home a political point against Germany.

"It is an explosive political situation," Nick Spiro, head of Spiro Sovereign Strategy, told CNBC. "This is a rubicon which should have never been crossed...This bailout agreement has Germany's political fingerprints all over it," Spiro told CNBC Europe's "Squawk Box."

"If Germany's aim was that the larger deposit holders, the Russian ones, were going to bear the brunt of this, then obviously it's backfired," he added.

Steve Keen told CNBC that the proposal was tantamount to "blowing the brains out of capitalism" and such a proposal would destroy the euro and the idea of a monetary system.

"It's mind-boggling that German bureaucrats and politicians can think that this is a sensible way to share the pain," Keen said. "If you destroy the trust that depositors have in their bank accounts, you fundamentally destroy the oil of capitalism."

"This is an absurd decision which has to be blocked somehow. If the Russians block it or the Cypriots block, somebody has to block it," he said, ahead of a crucial debate in the Cypriot parliament over whether to ratify the plan.

Approving the plan is central to Cyprus receiving a 10 billion euro bailout from the European Union and International Monetary Fund (IMF) but as yet, the outcome of the vote is uncertain.

(Read More: Will Cyprus Derail Draghi's Good Work? )

The Cypriot President Nicos Anastasiades reportedly told German Chancellor Angela Merkel and the European Union's economics affairs commissioner Olli Rehn on Monday that he would stand by what was agreed at a euro zone finance ministers' meeting last week but "insisted that EU partners offer some additional help," a state spokesman, Christos Stylianides, told state radio on Tuesday.

Stylianides added that President Anastasiades is also likely to talk to the Russian President, Vladimir Putin, on Tuesday.

Against a backdrop of protests in Cyprus and sharp declines in global equity markets on Monday, the German finance minister attempted to deflect blame from his country, saying the solution had not been a German idea and that he was open to it being changed.

"The levy on deposits below 100,000 euros was not the creation of the German government," Wolfgang Schuble told reporters in Berlin on Monday. "If one reached another solution we would not have the slightest problem," he added. On Tuesday, however, Schuble said that Germany pressed for a "bail-in" of Cypriot depositors to protect European taxpayers.




http://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-could-revenge-over-cyprus-101007212.html
 

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What is happening in Cyprus proves the old Thatcher dictum, who said: "Socialism is where you run out of other people's money".

I know many people don't like her in the UK but that's because they don't understand economics. She was right about to many things. Here watch this to the end. She even predicts this very day:

[video=youtube;rv5t6rC6yvg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv5t6rC6yvg[/video]
 
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^^^ Thanks for that post Behrooz joon. What a smart feisty lady - always liked her, even if I didn't agree with some of her policies. All that aside, is it just me or the Brit parliament looked a lot more fun and lively in those days?!
 
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LOL. Still hell of lot better than the Canadian Parliament. I'd take childish politicians to cranky charlatans any day! ;)

Just to show you how bad things have got over here, our Finance Minister called one of the banks yesterday and asked them to rescind their promotional mortgage rate, because it was too low! Apparently he did the same thing with another bank a few weeks ago. If this happened in Iran, we would have all laughed about it and mentioned economics is for donkeys! Our government is making AN & Co. look hands off! ;)

Happy new day by the way :)
 

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LOL. Still hell of lot better than the Canadian Parliament. I'd take childish politicians to cranky charlatans any day! ;)

Just to show you how bad things have got over here, our Finance Minister called one of the banks yesterday and asked them to rescind their promotional mortgage rate, because it was too low! Apparently he did the same thing with another bank a few weeks ago. If this happened in Iran, we would have all laughed about it and mentioned economics is for donkeys! Our government is making AN & Co. look hands off! ;)

Happy new day by the way :)
Behroo jan, happy new day to you too :)

The problem is that governments are filled with career politicians. They do not enter the profession to serve the people, but to advance their own aims and careers.

I am all for small government, in fact I have become so conservative that I am well to the right of Maggie Thatcher! The more I move to the right, the more I depart from left wing socialist fascism. I am well comfortable with that.
 

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Behroo jan, happy new day to you too :)

The problem is that governments are filled with career politicians. They do not enter the profession to serve the people, but to advance their own aims and careers.

I am all for small government, in fact I have become so conservative that I am well to the right of Maggie Thatcher! The more I move to the right, the more I depart from left wing socialist fascism. I am well comfortable with that.
Does the forum have a double-like?
 
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Behroo jan, happy new day to you too :)

The problem is that governments are filled with career politicians. They do not enter the profession to serve the people, but to advance their own aims and careers.

I am all for small government, in fact I have become so conservative that I am well to the right of Maggie Thatcher! The more I move to the right, the more I depart from left wing socialist fascism. I am well comfortable with that.
We could all definitely use smaller more efficient governments. But I think the problem is what you said in the first line - smaller government does not necessarily mean smaller government influence, but almost always means the reduction of services for which they're taxing us. :(
 

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Hey, size matters. They got to enforce their edicts and for that they need numbers. Take that stupid soda ban in NY. Bloomberg can ban it all he wants. Somebody has to go in and check out the cups.
 

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What a big pile of horse shit out of the mouth of that bitch Thacher! Really, unhuman. Such an absolutely substanceless rant about factually nothing of any significance. Populism at its best. No wonder that Britain under her rule was such an economic and social corpse.
 

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What a big pile of horse shit out of the mouth of that bitch Thacher! Really, unhuman. Such an absolutely substanceless rant about factually nothing of any significance. Populism at its best. No wonder that Britain under her rule was such an economic and social corpse.
She saved Britain. Instead of weaving conspiracy theories go read the newspapers of the time and learn what Harold Wilson and his party did to the country.
 
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What is happening in Cyprus proves the old Thatcher dictum, who said: "Socialism is where you run out of other people's money".

I know many people don't like her in the UK but that's because they don't understand economics. She was right about to many things. Here watch this to the end. She even predicts this very day:

[video=youtube;rv5t6rC6yvg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv5t6rC6yvg[/video]
Right about many things? That is an understatement given the current condition of Europe. She is the one who kept the UK off of the Euro. She was ran out of office for it. Every Brit should kneel down in appreciation for what she did for them.
 

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Right about many things? That is an understatement given the current condition of Europe. She is the one who kept the UK off of the Euro. She was ran out of office for it. Every Brit should kneel down in appreciation for what she did for them.
Unfortunately people don't. The reason? I could go down the list. But to be fair she did win 3 elections so the majority at least had the common sense. To this day I hear people complain that she closed the coal mines!!!! I mean for heaven's sake! 40 years ago people used coal for energy but she could see that its time was up. Who is going to burn coal when the age of nuclear power is just around the corner. Incredibly people still complain of the coal mine closures. Sure, thousands were laid off, but every generation has to make sacrifices for the future or we just get stuck in the old.

Unfortunately the socialist ideology is so engrained in many people's thoughts that it's hard to shake off. People like free money, and knowing that if they were to fall on hard times the rest would look after them. It's nice but not necessarily the best thing. You can not get rid of poverty by giving people money.

Anyway, as Hayek said, if socialists understood the economy, they wouldn't be socialists :)
 

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Did she really close the coal mines or did she bust the unions who operated them and had crippled the country by their daily strikes. The other problem is that with each generation the old problems are forgotten. Ask any 20 something today and see if they know or care about the epic struggle between freedom and communism that went on for 50 years and how it was won. A bad idea can be sold and resold again and again.
 

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Unfortunately the socialist ideology is so engrained in many people's thoughts that it's hard to shake off. People like free money, and knowing that if they were to fall on hard times the rest would look after them. It's nice but not necessarily the best thing. You can not get rid of poverty by giving people money.
Interestingly, the same people are anything but socialist in their own lives. They watch their money like a hawk and give life lessons to their kids about self-sufficiency, hard works and success.
 
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The Cypriots government has gone mad! I thought the Greeks were crazy, but these guys sure eat the cake! They can potentially be declared bankrupt on Tuesday, their negotiations with the Russians failed to come up with any more money, they keep talking about a "Plan B" that doesn't really exist and even if it did the EU has already said it's not acceptable!!! Not sure, what kind of miracle they're expecting over the weekend, but "taxing" bank holdings over 100k Euros is the only viable option on the table and even that's going to fall short of the 5.8B Euros they need to come up with, unless the rate is around 15%! And if they tax anything under 100k Euros, it will undermine the entire EU deposit guarantee scam, I mean scheme! ;)

EU already poured cold water on nationalizing the pension funds of semi-public companies and they're trying to sell future bonds for gas exploration for gas that potentially does not exist either!!! The funniest thing is that this government was just voted in a month ago to secure a bail-out deal!
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