What do you think that means? I already explained what weakest link means - it means he is the easiest to get convicted. Of-course the agenda is to bring the traitor down - what did you think the agenda is? I don't know about you but I am an anti IRI activist. That means I put my time and money on bringing down IRI - at least their people here is USA.
convict him of what? there is NO CASE against this guy, I repeat this again, Trita Parsi FILED a case against Hassan Daei. The neo-conservatives wanted to destroy Trita Parsi not in the court of law but rather in the public opinion so they can accomplish their agenda of destroying Obama and Clinton.
Oh my! You caught me red-handed there! Now my secret is out and I don't know how I can come back from this humiliation ...
Of course I voted in 2005 (as I did in 2001 and 1997). You may consider that my "Eyb" but if events of the last 4 years are any indication, I think it'd be my Honar. I think in retrospect, my judgment to vote back then gets better marks than that of those who decided to boycott it. That much is even admitted by many supporters of boycott like Shirin Ebadi.
The interesting thing about your post though, is this fact: It bothers you that I voted but it didn't bother you that your monarchist thug friends considered it their right not to let those who wanted to vote do so. That's why I say I don't want to have anything to do with your brand of democracy.
Of course I voted in 2005 (as I did in 2001 and 1997). You may consider that my "Eyb" but if events of the last 4 years are any indication, I think it'd be my Honar. I think in retrospect, my judgment to vote back then gets better marks than that of those who decided to boycott it. That much is even admitted by many supporters of boycott like Shirin Ebadi.
The interesting thing about your post though, is this fact: It bothers you that I voted but it didn't bother you that your monarchist thug friends considered it their right not to let those who wanted to vote do so. That's why I say I don't want to have anything to do with your brand of democracy.
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I did vote for Majlis once during that time when I was in Iran. They don't run Majlis elections abroad. I encouraged people to vote for all those years.
And of course I have never considered elections in IRI to be either fair or free. I am pretty sure there has been some level of cheating in all of them as well.
And of course I have never considered elections in IRI to be either fair or free. I am pretty sure there has been some level of cheating in all of them as well.
Not sure what you mean by your question. If you mean which one of these guys would be there if we had a fair and free election, my answer would be probably none. If you mean that in this flawed system (not fair and not free) how many would be there if there was no cheating, then I don't really know. There is no way to know. I guess for this Majlis probably 40-80% did get there by votes (because competition was really filtered out). The percentage would have been higher in previous ones.
you actually answered my question: 40 - 80 % !!!
If we go with 80%, then can't one argue that 80% of Iranian People's representative, who were elected by free vote I may add , choosed to support this government and sign off on the legetimecy of AN and this election ??!!!
I think the answer if YES then.
If we go with 80%, then can't one argue that 80% of Iranian People's representative, who were elected by free vote I may add , choosed to support this government and sign off on the legetimecy of AN and this election ??!!!
I think the answer if YES then.
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The answer to the question as you pose it may be yes, but that brings no legitimacy to IRI. The "legitimacy" card has been way overplayed by the so-called opposition outside Iran, and at a very significant price I may add.
In each of the last few presidential elections more than two third of people participated. Did that convince you that IRI is legitimate? By your argument you must be convinced because majority of people voted and you believe in democracy.
In each of the last few presidential elections more than two third of people participated. Did that convince you that IRI is legitimate? By your argument you must be convinced because majority of people voted and you believe in democracy.
I did not mean to start the whole debate about the legitimicy and ... However, if you insist 
then, yes, if you vote , you belive the system as whole, is legitimate. You declare that you agree with the principles that the system is based on however, you disgaree with some of its impelementations and therefore choose to vote to make CHANGES from within the system and based on the constitutions.
I do belive big percentage of Iranian in IRAN do belive in the legitimecy of IR and that is why guys like Khatami has alot of following
So by voting, one opens to door to such a disscutions and contradications. As an another example, look at Mussavi's new speech. He repeats in it ( few times) that we should stay within Iranian constitution and follow it and should ignore it and ....
If that is his message and what he belives, then isn't AN's government constitutionally legetimate ??!! GC counsil approves it, Majles Approved it , Velayat Fagih approved it ....
So this creates contradiction and question. For example, If we accept this constitution:
When did things go wrong ?
Is it just AN and Khamenehi ?
How about few years back ? Was everything during Khatami based on democracy and constitution? and many more questions .......
then, yes, if you vote , you belive the system as whole, is legitimate. You declare that you agree with the principles that the system is based on however, you disgaree with some of its impelementations and therefore choose to vote to make CHANGES from within the system and based on the constitutions.I do belive big percentage of Iranian in IRAN do belive in the legitimecy of IR and that is why guys like Khatami has alot of following
So by voting, one opens to door to such a disscutions and contradications. As an another example, look at Mussavi's new speech. He repeats in it ( few times) that we should stay within Iranian constitution and follow it and should ignore it and ....
If that is his message and what he belives, then isn't AN's government constitutionally legetimate ??!! GC counsil approves it, Majles Approved it , Velayat Fagih approved it ....
So this creates contradiction and question. For example, If we accept this constitution:
When did things go wrong ?
Is it just AN and Khamenehi ?
How about few years back ? Was everything during Khatami based on democracy and constitution? and many more questions .......
You are exactly repeating the BS Trita Parsi is putting forth on his defense. Buddy - you don't seem to be following - We have been attacking Trita Tazi (right here on ISP) long before you even heared of Obama. Trita wants to make this about conservatives vs. Obama - this is about Iran - the idiot Tazi does not give the Iranian community much credit. He is setting himself up for a disaster. He can win some battles but no way he can survive this war. IRI itself is standing on shaky grounds in Iran, let alone his thugs in USA!!
Masoud, if you had evidence against Trita Paris in which it showed Trita Paris is the agent of IRI or it is lobbying for the IRI, you should have provided to the Bush Justice Department. You missed the big opportunity. You could have been famous now by now. Talk is cheap, show some evidence that he is IRI agent.
By the way according to NAIC, " The judge denied Dai's motion to dismiss the case on 18 out of 19 counts."
By the way according to NAIC, " The judge denied Dai's motion to dismiss the case on 18 out of 19 counts."
if you vote , you belive the system as whole, is legitimate. You declare that you agree with the principles that the system is based on however, you disgaree with some of its impelementations and therefore choose to vote to make CHANGES from within the system and based on the constitutions.
I do belive big percentage of Iranian in IRAN do belive in the legitimecy of IR and that is why guys like Khatami has alot of following
I do belive big percentage of Iranian in IRAN do belive in the legitimecy of IR and that is why guys like Khatami has alot of following
Secondly, the question of legitimacy of IRI has been dead for many many years for everyone except IRI. A legitimate government never tries to prove it is legitimate. The IRI's obsession with legitimacy in itself is an indication and admission that there are serious issues in their legitimacy. IRI is a legitimate government for other countries because that's the one they have to deal with. As far as people are concerned, I think everyone and their aunts know IRI does not have legitimacy with people despite high turnouts. A government that its people consider legitimate just doesn't do the type of things that IRI does.
Ba dorood:
Voting in Islamic Rip-off's ELECSHOW is very much DOOSTI KHALEH LHERSEH.
If one reviews the BADBAKHTI of past 14 years and wish to call it HONAR then the adjective of HORRIBLE most accompany it.
Does anyone need to review these BADBAKHITI?!!
Every vote in Islamic Rip-off's ELECSHOW has been a dagger into the heart of many of our youth incarcerated by the TRUE THUGS.
Gar bini Nabina o Jaah Ast
Gar Saaket Neshini Gonaah Ast.
I highly recommend Mr. Parviz Sayaad's book called "SHIRIN EBAADI VA JAAYEZH SOLHASH" to learn about this "lady".
Mr. Sayaad has socialistic views, just so it is not labeled anything other.
Voting in Islamic Rip-off's ELECSHOW is very much DOOSTI KHALEH LHERSEH.
If one reviews the BADBAKHTI of past 14 years and wish to call it HONAR then the adjective of HORRIBLE most accompany it.
Does anyone need to review these BADBAKHITI?!!
Every vote in Islamic Rip-off's ELECSHOW has been a dagger into the heart of many of our youth incarcerated by the TRUE THUGS.
Gar bini Nabina o Jaah Ast
Gar Saaket Neshini Gonaah Ast.
I highly recommend Mr. Parviz Sayaad's book called "SHIRIN EBAADI VA JAAYEZH SOLHASH" to learn about this "lady".
Mr. Sayaad has socialistic views, just so it is not labeled anything other.
Khodam Aziz, you missed the point. This is not about the legitimicy of a government but the legitimecy of the system and the two are quite different.
Also, you you can not logically negate the question and draw a conclution from it . If A then B is not the same with if B then A.
Low vote turn out does not mean people do not accept the legitimecy of the system and there are more factors involved. However, when you vote , it means that you think you are getting a fair share to make your voice heard and who ever is getting elected is a representative of Iranian and based on what you said, as high as 80% of the Majles is a TRUE respresent of Iranian
However, votting means you accept the system as all ( which I belive you do and hence the Eslahat and ....) and the rest of my argument in earlier posts.
Again, I disagree with you. IR and its constitution is very valid in the eyes of Karubi and Mussavi and many people in Iran.
If this is how you feel, can you tell me when that happened ?
Again, disscution is not about the government as it is about the system it is built on.
Also, you you can not logically negate the question and draw a conclution from it
. If A then B is not the same with if B then A.Low vote turn out does not mean people do not accept the legitimecy of the system and there are more factors involved. However, when you vote , it means that you think you are getting a fair share to make your voice heard and who ever is getting elected is a representative of Iranian and based on what you said, as high as 80% of the Majles is a TRUE respresent of Iranian
However, votting means you accept the system as all ( which I belive you do and hence the Eslahat and ....) and the rest of my argument in earlier posts.
Again, I disagree with you. IR and its constitution is very valid in the eyes of Karubi and Mussavi and many people in Iran.
If this is how you feel, can you tell me when that happened ?
Again, disscution is not about the government as it is about the system it is built on.
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Ba dorood:
Yes, it is not a hidden fact that many Iranians participated in Islamic Rip-off's ELECSHOW and HAD NO CLUE WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!
When Islamic Majlis candidates setup their own HQs in CHOLOKABAABI for millions of hungry people, one ought to consider them either NABINAA or HUNGRY, six or half a dozen, makes no difference.
Those who were not hungry yet participated, I CONSIDER BLIND to say the least.
The only thing that has helped me to keep my eyes wide open has been my NATIONALISM something that many have no idea what it means or stands for, I call them NAA AAGAAH.
Does this mean I am AAGAAH more than some but certainly not least than a few.
Any type of participation in Islamic Rip-off’s SHOWS is just a dagger in Iran’s heart, knowingly or unknowingly
Yes, it is not a hidden fact that many Iranians participated in Islamic Rip-off's ELECSHOW and HAD NO CLUE WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!
When Islamic Majlis candidates setup their own HQs in CHOLOKABAABI for millions of hungry people, one ought to consider them either NABINAA or HUNGRY, six or half a dozen, makes no difference.
Those who were not hungry yet participated, I CONSIDER BLIND to say the least.
The only thing that has helped me to keep my eyes wide open has been my NATIONALISM something that many have no idea what it means or stands for, I call them NAA AAGAAH.
Does this mean I am AAGAAH more than some but certainly not least than a few.
Any type of participation in Islamic Rip-off’s SHOWS is just a dagger in Iran’s heart, knowingly or unknowingly